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    Burgess Back

    Well the Pats reached a 1 year agreement with Derrick Burgess today. So right now our OLB situation looks like Banta-Cain, Burgess, Crable, Cunningham, Ninkovich, and Woods. Out of all these LB's it's pretty much open competition for both spots. Burgess got off to a slow start last year but played decent down the final 4 regular season games. Hopefully he'll pick up where he left off.
     
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    I think this a good signing because Burgess was really showing improvement as he learned the system toward the end of the year.

    Interesting how many ex-Raiders are on the Patriots roster now . . . hopefully the Raiders' record over the past few seasons is more the result of coaching and team chemistry than the quality of the talent on that Raiders team (and now on our team).

     
     
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    I agree, I'm glad they brought him back.  Played on team last year and got his feet wet - so hopefully he a lot MORE comfy this year and brings it from the outside.  Like what was already mentioned, he was pretty good down the stretch last yr hopefully it continues.
     
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    You're forgetting the 2 dark horses, Murrell and Ninkovich. Also Crable is no sure thing to make the team. He's going to have to prove he belongs after 2 years on the IR.

    Murrell was brought in as a special teams ace and will compete with Woods in that position.

    Ninkovich proved himself as a 1st and 2nd down LB setting the edge and holding the run. He also played both ROLB and LOLB giving him some great versatility and flexibility.

    I think they will end up going 10 LB's (including ILB) this year. 4 inside with the obvious (McKenzie, Guyton, Mayo, Spikes), 5 outside (Burgess, TBC, Cummingham, Crable, Ninkovich), and 1 ST LB (Woods/Murrell who ever wins the position at camp)
     
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    In Response to Re: Burgess Back:
    You're forgetting the 2 dark horses, Murrell and Ninkovich. Also Crable is no sure thing to make the team. He's going to have to prove he belongs after 2 years on the IR. Murrell was brought in as a special teams ace and will compete with Woods in that position. Ninkovich proved himself as a 1st and 2nd down LB setting the edge and holding the run. He also played both ROLB and LOLB giving him some great versatility and flexibility. I think they will end up going 10 LB's (including ILB) this year. 4 inside with the obvious (McKenzie, Guyton, Mayo, Spikes), 5 outside (Burgess, TBC, Cummingham, Crable, Ninkovich), and 1 ST LB (Woods/Murrell who ever wins the position at camp)
    Posted by PatsEng


    We could end up seeing a set of OLB for 1st and 2nd down, plus short yardage and a couple for passing situations. Know TBC wasn't all that great against the run so can see him coming in as a pass rush specialist. Burgess could also be more of a passing situation LB. Ninkovich could get the early down and short yardage duty. Your right on Crable he has to prove he can make it past the pre-season. Totally forgot about Murrell. Thinking this years inside LB's are Mayo and Spikes with Guyton, McKenzie backing up.
     
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    Of the available tallent he makes sense but as teams trim their rosters of high priced players in faver of youth performing well in camp we might find a good fit to add to the Mix. I have had a chance to watch more of Cunningham's film since they signed him and I looked for what scouts were saying and some think he has more upside then Dunlap had. I think we will be fine especially with the DB's we can deploy.
     
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    with AD gone Burgess wil get time to shine, he did great on the home stretch last year
     
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    This is something I found on OLB Bruce Davis, he's listed as 6'3" 252lbs. 

    Position:DE
    School & Year/Status:UCLA - Drafted
    Jersey Number:#44
    Height & Weight:6'3 - 236 lbs.
    Drafted 3.25 in 2008 by PIT

    2008 NFL Draft Prospect Scouting Report:

    Bruce Davis, DE, UCLA

    Davis is a hybrid 3-4 outside linebacker or 4-3 defensive end. He does not have great size at 240 pounds, but plays with a great motor. Davis is at his best when he is able to pin his ears back and rush the passer. He has a tendency to get stonewalled by mammoth defensive tackles, but could benefit greatly from being moved around in the right defensive scheme. Davis is lightning quick and can beat most tackles with his first step. If he is playing against a tackle without sound footwork, he will harass the quarterback all day. He does play too high at times and can get stalemated when this happens. He moves very well laterally, which NFL coaches look for in a "tweener" prospect who may have to drop back into coverage. Davis struggles when teams pound the ball at him and he lacks ideal closing speed, but there's a lot to like about his upside. Davis finished the season with 45 tackles (15.5 for a loss) and 12 sacks in 13 games. He has the athletic ability to develop into a productive pass rusher in any scheme and the tenacity to develop into an every-down outside linebacker in a 3-4-scheme. Davis disappeared a little bit at Senior Bowl practice. This may be because of all of the talent around him, or due to a position change as he is no longer playing with his hand on the ground. Davis will flourish if put in the right system. Davis had a good combine running a 4.72 forty yard dash, but weighed in at just 252 pounds. Davis will be a project player and will likely take a few seasons to grow into a starting outside linebacker in the NFL. Davis is the type of player that Bill Belichick has molded into an All-Pro. He is a high motor player that won't quit on a play and will likely contribute for many years in the NFL.
     
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    In Response to Re: Burgess Back:
    In Response to Re: Burgess Back : We could end up seeing a set of OLB for 1st and 2nd down, plus short yardage and a couple for passing situations. Know TBC wasn't all that great against the run so can see him coming in as a pass rush specialist. Burgess could also be more of a passing situation LB. Ninkovich could get the early down and short yardage duty. Your right on Crable he has to prove he can make it past the pre-season. Totally forgot about Murrell. Thinking this years inside LB's are Mayo and Spikes with Guyton, McKenzie backing up.
    Posted by Wizardsjag


         With the addition of Spikes, and, hopefully, McKenzie on the inside, perhaps Guyton will be switched to OLB...where BB might be able to make better use of his speed.
     
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    he was ok in the last few games...until you consider the playoff game where he was the same dud he was the rest of the season. i am NOT excited about him being back at all. hope he proves me wrong...
     
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    In Response to Re: Burgess Back:
    In Response to Re: Burgess Back : I agree with this logic here as well. The other thing is, Guyton knows MLB and he's actually better suited for it, especially on 3rd down passing situations. The thing is, maybe they can use him at OLB in a 4-3 or even a 3-4 (where he is weaker) and drop him into coverage in zone like they used to do with Roman Phifer, who also played both OLB and MLB. Just an idea. The more each guy can be versatile on D, the more lethal BB's schemes are. He can do more, he can disguise more, etc. Don't look now, but these last 2 years, BB is slowly cultivating system players who are progressing.
    Posted by russgriswold


    Guyton is not big enough for OLB and cannot set the edge or motor to the QB through tackles and big TE's (ala Burgess) Guyton did not appear to be as good as Spikes potential to stop the run - The Ravens clearly showed that.

    I think Spikes is in on running plays and Guyton at ILB or more likely a tweener LB/Saftey role in passing situations. Guyton did well last year, but I think he loses the starting job to Spikes by the bye week. McIntyre is still an unknown, but is suppose to be wicked quick and overall I think we are set at the ILB position for the next decade :)
     
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    In Response to Re: Burgess Back:
    I didn't say Guyton is big enough. They used him in 2008 at OLB in Seattle and he failed.  I said he could be used in a 4-3 at OLB since speed is key in a 4-3. He's more of a 3rd down and long 3-4 MLB where he can play coverage against a TE or play zone in pass coverage like Phifer used to do.....   We don't see the trendy names anymore, but those trendy names didn't become great until they spent years in the system.
    Posted by russgriswold


    Agreed, but the trendy names only became trendy after they won a few SB's. As good as Bruschi was for the Pats here never made it to a pro-bowl.

    I believe w Spikes next two Mayo, Mayo may get a chance to show his versatility a bit more and make some big plays and possibly get the nod for a ro-bowl himself. Heck even Spikes could be there in a few years.
     
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        Mayo was hurting just about the entire 2009 season and still was more than respectable and we should look for him to have an even better year than he did as a rookie given his experience and yes,i look for spikes to be his ILB partner this season with Guyton and McKenzie spelling them in certain situations.It did take Burgess 11-12 games to become comfortable with the intricate and demanding role of his position but it did finally happen and it is reasonable to expect improvement from the start this year.Cunningham or a vet pick up at the other OLBER position has to come through on the other side.The  DE opposite Ty Warren is question at this time and i am intrigued by Gerard Warren at that slot.
     
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