Bye, Bye Bennie

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    Re: Bye, Bye Bennie

    I am always civil unless confronted by belligerence and immaturity with unbelievable trolls winding up like chatty Kathy dolls using this board as some personal spam board.

    I don't instigate any of that. 

    Anyway, we disagree on BJGE.  I'd love to have time to go back and look at the games we play when he's the lead back, but if memory serves me, we really don't lose when he's used more than Woodhead.   We just don't.

    Out of curiousity, I just looked at the box sxcore of the October 2010 OT win agaisnt Baltimore.

    Woodhead was a lead back.  He did pretty well, but Brady had 1 TD and two INTs in that game. We won the game, as you recall. But, that game went to OT and if we lose a coin flip, we might lose. The D held repeatedly, to put us in a spot to win with a FG.

    My points is, would that game have been as hairy if BJGE didn't just get 10 carries as an obligatory RB who everyone knows is subbed in for hammer jobs down the middle?

    10 carries, 20 yards.  Now, most would say "he stinks!". But, the question is, if he's the lead back, used in all facets, doesn't the cause the opponent to question more with him on the field v.s. WOodhead, who really is ONLY effective in passing downs and the quick strike draws? It would be the equivalent of Faulk being our lead back.

    Guess what happened in games when Faulk was our lead back, say in the 2005 divisionals in Denver? We lose games.

    That's all I care about right there.

    I could care less if BJGE breaks a 60 yard run putting our D back on the field fast, is on ESPN with highlight reel runs, because he's really the ideal back here in a backfield where the skill sets are mixed (Ridley, Woodhead and Vereen are all slightly different) AND for the reason that I don't want to put big money into the RB spot.

    I don't care if it's Antowain Smith, Dillon, Maroney or now BJGE, each was CHEAP with in the formula under the cap. Would I want Arian Foster? Hell yeah, but not at the expense for cutting Mario Williams and others who help my team in other ways.

    That's a perfect example right there. I feel the same way about CBs in this league. You start paying CBS or WRs top tier money? What happens? Those teams don't win jack squat. They might be good or very good, but they ain't good enough.

    I think it's a major mistake to pretend the grass is greener.  RIdley I like a lot, but now with his two fumbles a big deal will be made of that, and really, maybe ghe's a just a Faulk type skill-set wise, anyway?

    Vereen?  Looks shifty, quick, can catch, kind of like a Woodhead. But, are these guys leads backs?  We don't know. And with Brady needing to be weened off the crack pipe (passing), barring committing to a better talent (Pierre Thomas I would like if NOs has to cut him or something), then BJGE is a fine lead back option with the passing weapons he has here.

    It's not like they aren't loaded at TE and with Welker, where that doesn't allow BJGE 3.5+ yards per carry, ball security and really, a wildcard during 4 qtrs of play (will he run, pass receive, block or be a decoy?).

    Once a defense knows we don't like using a Ridley or a Vereen in certain situations, that puts more pressure on Brady because they know it, and here comes the pass.

    Not what I want. We will never see a SB without getting some version of a lead back in here.  I hope it is Ridley or Vereeen, but I feel Ridley may run a bit too high and hard, while Vereen is small.  Compact, but I don't see him as a 15+ carry guy.

    He's notch down from the Rice/Jones-Drew body style needed for durability in this league.
     
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    We agree Rusty, that there is a need to run more, and I dont disagree that Benny is capable. What I am saying is the Pats dont think that highly of him.

    They havent signed him longterm(something they could have easily done last year)

    Whenever they want to up the tempo, he comes off the field.


    Once again, I am not saying Benny isnt capable enough, but he isnt good enough to take snaps away from your best player who has Wes, Gronk, hernandez to throw to.

    You see the way they use him, yet you expect it to change by yelling it all the time?  This will only change with personell and thats why I think you should be happy if they move on from him. Everyone from Brady to Jermaine Wiggins has said its a matter of personell, yet you refuse to admit it and keep bashing Brady like HE doesnt know the importance of running. In 04' he was VERY HAPPY to be handing off to Cory Dillon every other snap.

    How can Benny be a lead back for us when we are a passing team?  You need a T.Richardson type who can do it all in order to stop from subbing and your comparison of Benny to MJD and Rice....LMAO!....same body style,...meh, maybe, although Benny is taller, but not near the amount of quickness, change of direction and break away speed. Stop fooling yourself with the homerific bias.
     
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    BassFishing - well, Rusty, I for one am glad to see you back.  You bring a lot to the table, some of it controversial but most of it substantive and worthwhile.

    I must confess I do think the team needs to run the ball more if for no other reason than to take some of the pressure off the passing game.  Clearly the Pats have the horses on the O-line for a power game.
     
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    Who cares? BJGE can be replaced. He was a worse open-field runner than Maroney ... but he happened to fumble less. And had zero pass catching or blocking ability on the blitz.  Get Tim Hightower ... same difference. Then develop the young guys or go for a real RB who doesn't generate 2nd&1's in the crunch.
    Posted by zbellino


    once again, zbellino is 100% correct. BJGE was a great value for year for what he did. Consistently get those 3 to 5 yards, and never fumble. He followed the Pats blockers and got what they gave him, consistently, but never created yards himself. Never made the Pats running game a real threat. If we could get him back at a similar amount to what he got last year, he's worth it. If he gets much more then we should let him go and find someone to replace him. It really won't be that hard.
     
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    I'm sorry but you have to gamble. 

    You draft a RB in the 2nd and 3rd rounds, so now you have to see what you got.
     
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    I too would hate to see BJGE go but, if he does, I'd hope we see a BETTER back come in to take his place. He never fumbled. Ever. Truly a big reason BB likes him. 

    However, I can't see us going into the season without some kind of replacement. Maybe trade Hoyer and a 1st rounder to move up and get Trent Richardson? Then we still have a 1st round pick left. Imagine a young backfield of Richardson, Ridley, Vereen, Woodhead? I, for one, have always wanted to see a big time RB in NE. Every year my hopes are dashed. You never know with BB though. He usually surprises and maybe he's always felt BJGE would leave and has plans if he does? I am tired of seeing NE sign these older vets that have nothing left in the tank. 

    Like I said, hate to see Benny go but, if it means a better back replaces him? I could live with that. 

    BTW, I totally see Vereen as a wild card here. We've yet to see what he can do. He has the skills and he has a year under his belt to know the system. 


     
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    In Response to Re: Bye, Bye Bennie:
    Good. Maybe this means we will bring in a Real "feature back" to go along with the complimentary guys we have already.
    Posted by JayShizzle45


    Maybe you can figure out how to pay your 'feature back'.
     
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    Re: Bye, Bye Bennie

    If they trusted Ridley to block he'd barely sniff the field.

     
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    Bungle, I totally agree and usually I would say no to a 1st rd RB, but one like this in T.Rich is a possible franchise back.

    As long as Benny is here he will be an afterthought. B.B. hasnt forgotten the fundamentals of football he just prefers to have the ball in Bradys hand a lot. They would rather keep the momentum and tempo of the drive up with short throws to Wes as an extension of the run game than pound Benny for 25 times a game.

    I have always said it and the way they use him speaks to it. Also I dont see them signing him now when they didnt sign him 2 years ago when his market was low and they could have locked him up. He is a stopgap player. Just here until a better option comes about and also a player to make us forget Maroney.


    If we cant get Trent, we can still get a Back in the later rounds that would be an upgrade.

    As far as Vareen, he can be special, but he was drafted to be the next K.Faulk, not the next Cory Dillon. He will be eletric in the passing game if he stays healthy and can be a great 3rd down back but I wouldnt count on him as a lead back.

    Feature Back, change of Pace back in Ridley and 3rd down back in Vareen, keep Woody for insurance. Get ur 5th back( a fullback) and the run game is fixed.
     
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    If they trusted Ridley to block he'd barely sniff the field.
    Posted by tompenny


    If they trusted Ridley not to fumble he may get a sniff himself.
     
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    Evil, why would I have to figure that out? Im not paying him.

    Its not hard considering RB's make less than WR's and we've wasted plenty of scratch on that position with no success.

    Arian Foster and Marshawn Lynch both got paid. Good backs will get their money. Meanwhile Benny has played last year on a tender and still has no contract here. Do the math.
     
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    I agree Laz. Benny does need to be replaced. I just dont agree that any guy can do it,. If so, just keep Benny.

    You need a guy who strikes fear into defenses. Getting rid of Benny does not assure that, but keeping him means seeing more of the same. 8 carries in 1st half and benched in the 2nd.


    We need a Top Tier Back that aint happening in free agency. I advocate trading up for Trent or getting a 2nd tier rookie back in the 2nd
     
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    Just trade a 1st, Woodhead and one of the 2nds for MJ Drew.

    That solves your problem.  It will take more to deal up for Richardson. A top 10 pick is like gold now with the new CBA.

    We'd need to deal both 1sts to get Richardson.
     
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    Its funny how this bothers you rusty, but your are the biggest one here responsible for twisting peoples words and making things up that people never said.

    The hyprocisy you display is downright hilarious....



    Capiche?  oh yeah, I capiche alright. Time to put your self proclaiming genius a ss on ignore....


    for the record, the board had NO problems with this while you were gone, but Im sure by the time the board gets rolling again you will have pis-sed off a few people as well as made something up as well as call someone a moron. Its in your DNA. You cant dissapear for a few weeks and expect your ignorance to change...


    Good luck with the new moniker and a word to the wise, your high post count is a dead give away every time!
     
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    he was serviceable, that's it.  He had a 1000 yard season by virtue of fantastic blocking up front by Gronk and Crumpler.

    Seriously, how many time was he able to break on over 25 yards...NOT THAT MANY.
     
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    You guys sure do keep the faith.
     
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    Rusty, nice name...

    I spend the majority of my summer up here cruising around in Canada Bassfishing..

    Caught a 7half pound large mouth last summer..: )
     
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    Does he really think he'll get paid more?
     
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    Rusty, nice name... I spend the majority of my summer up here cruising around in Canada Bassfishing.. Caught a 7half pound large mouth last summer..: )
    Posted by HOTBLITZ


    Nice fish Blitz . . . what Province are you in?  I'm in the Toronto area and do a lot of fishing for bass (and pike, steelhead, and trout) too . . . in fact, hoping to go after some steelhead this weekend, since they should be running up from Lake Ontario now. 
     
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    Re: Bye, Bye Bennie

    He is a great backup RB. When a great backup RB is your starting RB there is a problem.
     
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    Who cares? BJGE can be replaced. He was a worse open-field runner than Maroney ... but he happened to fumble less. And had zero pass catching or blocking ability on the blitz.  Get Tim Hightower ... same difference. Then develop the young guys or go for a real RB who doesn't generate 2nd&1's in the crunch.
    Posted by zbellino



    This is how I look at it. If I'm an opposing D and it's the endgame of a close one, what do I fear? Not Benny. He is the least of my worries. PLEASE give him the ball. If you beat me with the likes of Benny, I deserved to lose.
     
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    Prolate..

    I'm in Toronto as well... Nice to see!

    I love me some fishing... I have a little boat that I tie down to the roof of my car and me and a buddy hit the honeyholes all around Ontario all summer long. Go about once a week..

    Other then watching my Pat it's my absolute favourite thing to do.

    I work for our professional hockey team so I get the summers off..lol
     
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    I think it's two things.  First is financial.  Why pay a BJGE $3MM+ when you can get a rookie to contribute the same or more for less than $1MM with a 2nd or lower pick.  Second, we're one of those RBs by Committee teams.  We haven't even seen Vereen and Ridley showed enough promise.  Actually a 3rd reason is RBs average 5 years or less in the NFL and although BJGE has little wear and tear, you'd have to be willing to bet he'd beat the average 2-3 years from now.
     
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