Caldwell Merely a Figurehead in Indy?

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    WHO CARES???? STOP WITH THE F***ING COLTS THREADS ALREADY.  THIS IS A PATS FORUM.
     
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    Difference #1 - Night and day difference Robbie...Kraft bought the team to keep it here, he didn't have to sneak out of town in the dead of night to get himself a better deal somewhere else...one makes a committment to his home town, the other absconds with a team like a thief in the night...lol...

    Diffference #2 - BB vs. Jim "Who, me ?" Caldwell...one is a sure HOF coach, the other a useless doormat with no pride what-so-ever....

     
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    Hmm, well Tex, the janitor business is booming in Indy these days. It's spewing from the team and their fanbase, led by UD6. The gravitational pull is excessive in Indy this year. Suuckin' bigtime.
     
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    I really don't see why this is news to anybody.  Polian runs the club.  Manning controlled the offense.  Caldwell is a sound board for Manning.  It is what it is.  
     
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    Wow - I'm the right there with the what does Caldwell do crowd, but the rest of it, I find quite hypocritical.  Lets see - Bob Kraft - known drinker Jonathon Kraft - president Myra Kraft (deceased) - President New England Patriots Charitable Foundation Daniel Kraft - Kraft Group (owner of Pats) Joshua Kraft - Kraft Group (owner of Pats) David Kraft - Kraft Group (owner of Pats) Nepotism indeed.  TP you really just aren't as smart as you think you are.
    Posted by UD6


    Daniel, David and Joshua are part of the Kraft Group that owns the Pats but they are not associated with a position on the team.  Big difference.  The Kraft Group has other businesses besides the Pats and that's what the other three are involved in.  Not really apples and apples here.
     
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    What Mighty said.
     
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    What Mighty said.
    Posted by CaptainZdeno33


    Ditto.
     
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    TP

    In defense of the Colts: For a decade the team has done great under Manning and Polian and now with Manning out and the team 0-3 everyone is picking on them and saying: you f*cked up, you should have done it differently. Well, where were all those critics when the team was wracking up victory after victory? It seems selfish, egotistical to assume a holier than thou position and then scapegoat Jim Caldwell as the problem. This has nothing to do with Caldwell, it has to do only with Manning being injured.

    The reality is that each team has their own varying management dynamics and are run like family businesses. For example, Pete Carmichael the offensive coordinator of the Saints never calls any plays, that is reserved for Shaun McDonough. Should we just call Pete a gofer? No, the reality is Pete makes the team run behind the scenes in his own detailed, but relaxed way. Should we really expect Caldwell to challenge Polian and Irsay? Could anyone have the expertise to run the offense the way Manning does? Caldwell fills a useful buffer role necessary on the Colts.    

     
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         Who really is calling the shots in Indy? The twitter from CB Justin tryon, who was recently released by the Colts, seems to beg the question:      “Caldwell wanted to start me but it wasn’t up to him!” he wrote.  Another tweet later said: “IM BLESSED!! lay off of Caldwell he’s a great coach! Peace.”      If it isn't up to coach Caldwell who plays, who  is it up to?? Bill Polian evidently is at it again:   http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/09/29/released-colts-cornerback-says-caldwell-doesnt-make-lineup-decisions/        Here's are some classic fan comments on Caldwell, Polian, and the Colts:  1.) This is no surprise at all to me. Caldwell is a janitor, nothing more; 2.) What exactly does Caldwell do??? Polian decides who’s on the team. Manning ran the offense. How can the loss of one player equal a meltdown?; 3.) Ever since Polian made the decision to tank the Jets & Bill’s games in 2009 everyone knew that Caldwell was just a person for press briefings; 4.) A coaches responsibility is to ensure the best players are on the field and Tryon was LIGHT YEARS better than Jacob “10 yards cushion on 3rd and 2″ Lacey. all  this does is confirm what we’ve known for years – that Polian is really the one running the show and whatever Tryon did to offend Polian, he is clearly flexing his institutional muscle here...Now watch Tryon sign with the Patriots and become a star ..figures; 5.) LOL...does Al Davis run the Colts too?? This would explain why he hasn’t been around the Raiders alot this offseason and season. He’s been busy turning the Colts into a dumpster fire. Oh well, as long as Oakland keeps getting better; 6.) We all know the Polians run this team. Just like Jerry Jones in Dallas and Al Deadvis in Oakland; 7.) Look at Colts.Com to see whose running things : Staff: James Irsay, Owner and CEO Bill Polian, Vice Chairman Carlie Irsay-Gordon, Vice President Casey Irsay Foyt, Vice President Kalen Irsay, Vice President Football Operations Chris Polian, Vice President and General Manager Hey, nepotism works if you don’t demand excellence; 8.) Hi, I’m Jim Irsay, the Colts owner and yes I’ve been drinking:); 9.) What I want to know is, why is an owner of a professional sports team responding to what a former player said,…………… on TWITTER!; 10.) If Polian ever gets into the HOF, Matt Millen should give the induction speech for him.      LOL!!!!  
    Posted by TexasPat3


    I'm fairly certain that Caldwell STILL hasn't had a different facial expression... he might not even be a figurehead.  He might be a mannequin... or worse, a ZOMBIE
     
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    Get Tryon over here. We need a decent cornerback.
     
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    He's not even a real person.  He is an animatronic figure they have on loan from Disneyworld.  Fivehead controls him telepathically.  That is why he has been so clueless with Fivehead gone, Kerry Collins couldn't master the complex robot controls.  That is why Fivehead is returning.  
     
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    Just makes me appreciate BB more. Dont you think if BB was doing "funny stuff" that Lawyer Milloy, Richard Seymore, Shawn Crable or many others would have said something when they left? Seymore could still trash BB to this day if he wanted but he doesn't.
     
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    In Response to Re: Caldwell Merely a Figurehead in Indy? : Daniel, David and Joshua are part of the Kraft Group that owns the Pats but they are not associated with a position on the team.  Big difference.  The Kraft Group has other businesses besides the Pats and that's what the other three are involved in.  Not really apples and apples here.
    Posted by garytx


    Due respect Gary, I call BS.  The entire kraft family is involved in the family business no differently than the irsay family is.  The point was about nepotism, and it clearly runs rampant in NE as well. 
     
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    TP In defense of the Colts: For a decade the team has done great under Manning and Polian and now with Manning out and the team 0-3 everyone is picking on them and saying: you f*cked up, you should have done it differently. Well, where were all those critics when the team was wracking up victory after victory? It seems selfish, egotistical to assume a holier than thou position and then scapegoat Jim Caldwell as the problem. This has nothing to do with Caldwell, it has to do only with Manning being injured. The reality is that each team has their own varying management dynamics and are run like family businesses. For example, Pete Carmichael the offensive coordinator of the Saints never calls any plays, that is reserved for Shaun McDonough. Should we just call Pete a gofer? No, the reality is Pete makes the team run behind the scenes in his own detailed, but relaxed way. Should we really expect Caldwell to challenge Polian and Irsay? Could anyone have the expertise to run the offense the way Manning does? Caldwell fills a useful buffer role necessary on the Colts.    
    Posted by NYC

    NYC - this is much less about what TP thinks than what he wants to accomplish. 

    What I've learned over time is that TP really doesn't have much of his own opinion unless he's got an axe to grind.  Generally he takes a position based on an article he's read.  

    In this case he's got an axe to grind.  As I said before, and others here agreed with, the pats had no idea that Cassell was going to work as well as he did.  Maybe with Painter getting a true chance, he will perform better than he's shown and prove Polian wrong about going out and getting Collins. 

    He'll get his first chance Monday.  I wish him well.
     
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    I'm not sure why Indy didn't fire Caldwell last year. The teams performance had deteriorated over his 2 year span and Manning was the only glue holding the team together. It's almost a guarantee now that Caldwell will be let go by the end of this season but much like an old house this Colts team may be in complete disrepair. It also makes me think of the Cowboys when Jimmy Johnson hit the road. Switzer came in and won with Johnson's team but after that they started going down hill little by little and have never quite recovered. Jerry Jones thought he was the man bringing in the talent and he could stick any coach in and win but that has proven to be falacy. Does Polian also believe this? Big Mistake if he does. Polian is most likely sitting back thinking, "We're skkrewed and the best thing that could happen to us is to get a top #1 next year and pick Andrew Luck..Quite honestly, if I was an Indy Fan that's what I'd be hoping for also. He's going to let the team crash and burn for a year, then fire Caldwell and if he's lucky Manning will be able to come back next year to get Luck some learning time under a hall of famer.
     
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    Tex, I would have to agree with you, Irsay & manning run things. Caldwell is a puppet 
     
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    Who is Justin Tyron?
     
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    In Response to Re: Caldwell Merely a Figurehead in Indy? : Due respect Gary, I call BS.  The entire kraft family is involved in the family business no differently than the irsay family is.  The point was about nepotism, and it clearly runs rampant in NE as well. 
    Posted by UD6


    Your point may have been about nepotism but TexPats point was nepotism within the Colts franchise which means hands on operations of the Colts.  Not so with NE.
     
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    I'm not sure why Indy didn't fire Caldwell last year. The teams performance had deteriorated over his 2 year span and Manning was the only glue holding the team together. It's almost a guarantee now that Caldwell will be let go by the end of this season but much like an old house this Colts team may be in complete disrepair. It also makes me think of the Cowboys when Jimmy Johnson hit the road. Switzer came in and won with Johnson's team but after that they started going down hill little by little and have never quite recovered. Jerry Jones thought he was the man bringing in the talent and he could stick any coach in and win but that has proven to be falacy. Does Polian also believe this? Big Mistake if he does. Polian is most likely sitting back thinking, "We're skkrewed and the best thing that could happen to us is to get a top #1 next year and pick Andrew Luck..Quite honestly, if I was an Indy Fan that's what I'd be hoping for also. He's going to let the team crash and burn for a year, then fire Caldwell and if he's lucky Manning will be able to come back next year to get Luck some learning time under a hall of famer.
    Posted by Rerun85


    While Jimmy Johnson's departure was a blow to the Cowboys it was FA that dismantled the team.  Jerry couldn't keep everybody and man that team was deep!  Poor drafting and a couple of injuries along the way and whamo, it's over.  That's why the pundits at the time said there would never be another dynasty in football again. 
     
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