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Can we be Honest and Say who the Lost Ultimately Falls on

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    Wrong, it's a team game and a team loss and while that includes the coaches, the player's failure to execute better than Giants was why the game was lost.  It was a close game and it came down to which team executed better and in this game, (it really is just one more game), the Giants did that as they did earlier in the year.  These teams in the final analysis were pretty evenly matched.  It may feel like a blowout but it was not.
     
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    I agree that there you can scour for blame all over the place until the cows come home, but can we finally agree our finesse offense continually lets the team down for winnable games? I have no issue being outplayed like in Cleveland in 2010 or @ Pitt this year, etc, but to seriously hand games away due to a 7 year failed offensive style of play? The whole reason why NE won 3 SBs is because the offense was well balanced. Not eletric, but well balanced. And the D was also a chameleon of sorts. Guess what? Our D was a chameleon.  Our offense was not.
    Posted by RustyGriswold



    Hi Rusty, I agree with you on this, that the PATS do not run the ball anywhere near as much as they should.  I do not expect that to get better with the second coming of McDaniels.  The PATS lack of balance on offense allows good teams to game plan against the spread without really having to worry about the run, because we only use it for change of pace, we are not taken seriously as a running team.

    I also think that running the ball makes the offense tougher and allows a good offensive line to take over a game and we have a very good offensive line which is not being allowed to do what they do best, ATTACK what's in front of them.

     
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    Dess, what was that font you used...??  just for rusty?

    The reason I say coaching is because we played this team 3 times this year and lost all 3.

    Does anyone think that the Giants have that much more talent than us to beat us 3 TIMES IN ONE YEAR?

    19-18 in preseason

    24-20 week 9

    21-17 in SB.

    B.B. is now what?  1-4 vs Coughlin
     
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    For those that think Gronk was the difference why didnt we win in week 9 when he played?

    What did he have 8 catches for 101.  Still not enough


    I think Coughlin being from the same parcells tree that B.B. came from has his number for whatever reason.

     
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    Thank You Z, for stating the obvious.


    Benny is an average back. he is not taking away snaps from # 12 and the passing game in the clutch.

    If we want to see more running, we need a Real RB..
     
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    http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-fantasy/09000d5d826ad5df/Giants-defense-INT?continuous=true Sorry, I go to Gronk in that situation 1000 times out of 1000, nay, 1000000 out of 1000000. The best TE in football, all alone, against a LBer? Please.  If the refs throw a flag on that play for defensive PI, LIKE THEY SHOULD HAVE, it is Patriots ball. The refs seem to conveniently ditch Polian rules when the Colts are not invovled.  The LBer basically pushed Gronkowski out of the way ... it isn't even subtle. The refs jobbed the pats on the first play, and they jobbed the Pats on that play. But going to Gronk on a LBer deep downfield one on one. No brainer. Do it every time.  
    Posted by zbellino


    I just watched that video like 5 times and I didn't see PI.  I agree he was open, but Brady underthrew it and Gronk was too hobbled to come back to the ball.
     
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    Gronkowski being pushed out of the way. 
    Posted by zbellino


    You can get a screenshot like that for virtually every pass play ever.  In real time Gronk barely moves if at all when Blackburn puts his hand out.  If that was PI then so was a ton of the Pat's coverage.
     
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    No. Blackburn is playing the ball.  That's not a push. If that was Rob Ninkovich on Ballard, I would have been incensed if a call was made.
    Posted by RustyGriswold


    Thank you! I have been trying to say that. If you actually go backwards from that a couple of frames it is Gronk who puts his hands on Blackburn first. That came down to Blackburn making a more athletic play then Gronk could with one ankle.
     
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    In Response to Re: Can we be Honest and Say who the Lost Ultimately Falls on : You can get a screenshot like that for virtually every pass play ever.  In real time Gronk barely moves if at all when Blackburn puts his hand out.  If that was PI then so was a ton of the Pat's coverage.
    Posted by pcmIV


    Case in point: http://www.zimbio.com/pictures/77CyBqsmsmc/Super+Bowl+XLVI/kINC4dJxuz4
     
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    In Response to Re: Can we be Honest and Say who the Lost Ultimately Falls on : And that was textbook coverage. That photo there shows the ball already deflected. He had one hand on the back of Nicks, with no illegal impedement. Tremendous defense and perfectly playd from behind like that. He made sure not to bump before the ball arrived.
    Posted by RustyGriswold


    I agree.  I have high hopes for Moore.  He and Ras-I could be filthy.  Just pointing out there was more contact and a "worse looking" screenshot on that play than on the INT.
     
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    Do you realize, NE only scored or moved the ball well in a 2:00 offense in the SB?
    Posted by RustyGriswold


    Doesn't that mean the Patriots should run the 2:00 offense all the time since it is the only way they move the ball?
     
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    In Response to Re: Can we be Honest and Say who the Lost Ultimately Falls on : No, I knew what you were doing. I was commenting on how well he played that ball. ZBellino is on here also saying we need a "major upgrade" with the DBs. lol Dowling looks like the real deal and BB may have a find with Moore.  Maybe look for a Courtland Finnegan at the right price and challenge Arrington, if you look to use a McCOurty/Chung Safety duo. Molden is also a fine spot player at CB in a dime scenario or for matchups with his size.
    Posted by RustyGriswold


    I agree about the upgrade at DB. I am not sold on Moore, and I do not think McCourty to safety turned out to be any great upgrade (go back and watch the Super Bowl again - Ihedigbo played more FS than McCourty did). When they went to nickle, it was McCourty, Moore and Arrington at the corner and Chung and Ihedigbo deep.

    I think Ras-I has definite potential, but I would not say he is the "real deal" after two seeing him play in two regular season games. We all thought McCourty was going to be a perpetual pro-bowler after his rookie year and he took a giant step backwards.
     
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