Re: Can we be Honest and Say who the Lost Ultimately Falls on
posted at 2/9/2012 6:50 PM EST
In Response to Re: Can we be Honest and Say who the Lost Ultimately Falls on
Geaux Tigres, No. I'd have to go back and re-watch every game. We can guess by seeing what he does, what he motions, etc, but I can't remember it as the game unfolds. I would venture to guess BB/O'Brien and Brady all quuckly chat about what they see at halftime, but Brady is the QB and a great one, so there may be something to the idea where Brady has too much power in the final decisions. What we do know is, OB calls in at least 2 plays to Brady. Sometimes 3. I know this because there was an article written by I think Vic Carruci back in 2009 (I think), where he says Manning and Brady get multiple plays called and have autonomy. Now, some teams may have built in audibles beind the original playcall in hte playbook, but if you give a Manning or a Brady 3 to choose from, this means those QBs are basically running the game. When O'Brien blew up on Brady in Washington on that shotgun spread junk from the 2 yard line, I think that was because Brady was choosing passes and was probably bypassing the order of why O'Brien wanted plays called. O'Brien may have called in 2 runs and 1 pass and Brady chose the pass. Otherwise, why get so angry over a dumb INT in Washington? It's dumb, but at the point of the game, it wasn't like the game was lost. It could have been as the FG there is just fine just like in the Balt AFC Title game here or the SB this past Sunday when Brady launched that reckless INT. In fact, NE's D bailed out Brady with a Mayo INT in DC, which just yet again reinforces the premise. Something like that. I was glad O'Brien did that (blew up on him on national tv). I think it took Brady off guard, but I also that's a reflection of the frayed ideology of each O'Brien and Brady. I thought maybe that would yet again rein Brady in, but then the Miami game came where we saw more shotgun obsession and our offense was abysmal in the first half, unable to mvoe the sticks past the 50 yard line for an entire HALF. My god in heaven. Holy mackerel. I also think O'Brien was backed by BB when dealing Moss after Week 4 in 2010, where in turn, O'Brien felt comfortable doing his job. I think this is why we saw better balance in 2010 v.s. 2011. I think O'Brien was great Week 5 -- />Week 17 in 2010, but Brady got control in the playoff gameplan. They changed what they dominated with just 4 weeks earlier. I called Cromartie on Branch in December, said it would be a mistake, it was, and then you knew no way NY would use him on Branch again, so why didn't we know that going into that game? Why did we throw into it? It's fairly sad that you're so enamored with passing that even though you blasted your rival 45-3 with Brady throwing 27 times, BJGE running amuck, you feel a need to alter your approach. Yep, pretty sad. BB promotes O'Brien after 2010's season, with the official title which means O;Brien gets a raise, and it also then attracts morons at Penn State to think he's some great coordinator. Personally, I would have had more respect for O'Brien if he continued to bitchslap Brady like he did in Week 4 and Week 5, where Brady was great and we used a lethal rushing attack to annhilate the Raiders and Jets. Now, granted, those D's aren't very good, but in man coverages, the run game then forced some zone, which is what O'Brien should be shooting for during a game (See Revis torched in zone in the second half of the Pats/Jets game in FOxborough). Perfect example of how to use patience, use all your weapons and then dictate from there, opening it up more in the second half. But, if you are throwing at Brady's rates where he's up to 35+ passes, that's a win for the opponent's D because they know deep down, Brady wants to pass. Even the road Jets game was Brady wisely reined in with good running (not production wise), Brady under Center, etc, and even him wildly throwing 3 dropped picks, the patience in the first half showing BJGE and Ridley, opened up what he did in the second half. What's even more sad is, this offense is the offense when know it can be when BJGE and Ridley are used in the same way as lead backs. Look at any drive when either is used as a lead back, even against man coverages, and you'll see long drives and some version of points being score and no INTs from Brady. People will complain about BB's draft, his defense, etc, next year, all over again regardless of facts, but until I see this "problem" fixed. The problem is the offensive ideology and its many flaws since 2005.
Posted by RustyGriswold
My understanding is that Manning has free reins to call his own game. Probably the last breed of a Jurassic ideology and ultimately eliminates the OC's input to a certain degree. The assistants up in the crow's nest have a much broader and more advantageous overview of the entire opposing defense. I think somehow he is given limited choices and that is probably the reason he audibles so frequently. With his quick reads and delivery his progressions are probably whittled down to only a couple vs. a 5 progression in the likes of a Montana and back to his first for a completion. PM is always making changes and I don't know because I haven't counted, but I don't expect or recall him not changing up before the snap. One of the traits that makes him great.