Can we be Honest and Say who the Lost Ultimately Falls on

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    Enough with the blame game. The two best teams squared off and gave us an extremely exciting super bowl. The Giants made a few more plays and the Patriots just ran out of time.

    On to next year. I think Brady needs more help. A running game should do the trick. Obviously, the defense needs a few more playmakers.
     
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    [QUOTE]Good points; except I partly disagree about the Giant RBs; Jacobs has seen better days, & Bradshaw's actually pretty good; he was hampered all season due to a  broken foot. And, you'll see every team learn the lesson about scoring TDs with a minute or so left when up by less than 1 score and a HOF/superstar QB about to get back on the field.
    Posted by nhsteven[/QUOTE]


    Who would that HOF/superstar QB be?
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Can we be Honest and Say who the Lost Ultimately Falls on : LOL... Oh my! And the D could have got one 3 & out, retrieved one turn over, stopped the jints before they crossed the 50. Posted by pezz4pats[/QUOTE]

    to be honest BB let them score, so the defense did what they were ordered to do. But in hindsight BB should have let them score right after the Manningham catch to preserve more time for the offense.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Can we be Honest and Say who the Lost Ultimately Falls on : to be honest BB let them score, so the defense did what they were ordered to do. But in hindsight BB should have let them score right after the Manningham catch to preserve more time for the offense.
    Posted by kansaspatriot[/QUOTE]


    It's a sad state of affairs when the best strategy on D is to let the other team score as fast as possible so your O can get back on the field.  But I think you're right . . . 
     
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    [QUOTE]IN BILL I TRUST
    Posted by p-dogg81[/QUOTE]

    Count me amongst the people who have lost faith, especially against Coughlin who seems to have BB figured out.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Can we be Honest and Say who the Lost Ultimately Falls on : to be honest BB let them score, so the defense did what they were ordered to do. But in hindsight BB should have let them score right after the Manningham catch to preserve more time for the offense.
    Posted by kansaspatriot[/QUOTE]


    He let them score because they were going to score anyway.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Can we be Honest and Say who the Lost Ultimately Falls on : He let them score because they were going to score anyway.
    Posted by BabeParilli[/QUOTE]

    I still think BB is getting a pass on challeging the Manningham catch. They had shown a replay before he threw the challenge flag that showed Manningham getting both feet down.

    That time-out turned out to be the difference between needing to concede the TD and being able to play for the FG and only need an FG to win.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Can we be Honest and Say who the Lost Ultimately Falls on : I still think BB is getting a pass on challeging the Manningham catch. They had shown a replay before he threw the challenge flag that showed Manningham getting both feet down. That time-out turned out to be the difference between needing to concede the TD and being able to play for the FG and only need an FG to win.
    Posted by FrnkBnhm[/QUOTE]

    probably a knee jerk reaction after seeing his instructions to the d to focus on cruz and nicks backfire on them.

    he may be a genius, but he's human therefore capable of a blunder or two.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Can we be Honest and Say who the Lost Ultimately Falls on : I still think BB is getting a pass on challeging the Manningham catch. They had shown a replay before he threw the challenge flag that showed Manningham getting both feet down. That time-out turned out to be the difference between needing to concede the TD and being able to play for the FG and only need an FG to win.
    Posted by FrnkBnhm[/QUOTE]

    I don't think it was a bad call.  I think it was pretty clear that a completion there was going to put the Giants in pretty good position to win, so Belichick almost had to take a chance on seeing if it could be overturned. Also, the defense may very well have needed a time out to regroup.  The end of that game was a disaster between the O stalling out and the D not making stops.  You can question one call or one play, but really there were so many things going wrong that no single thing really made the difference.  The Giants were just the better team.  



     
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    Despite that perfect throw and great catch, it was the right call to make Manningham and the TE beat us. Nicks and Cruz can take a ball to the house and needed to be contained.

    The real problem with that play is that the Ginats even had the opportunity in the 1st place. How many times can we ask our defense to hole in one half? Our offense couldn't hold the ball.....again.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Can we be Honest and Say who the Lost Ultimately Falls on : Who would that HOF/superstar QB be?
    Posted by BabeParilli[/QUOTE]

    You're kidding, right? #12.
     
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    The key words in the post are 'WHO - Ultimately'.

    Instead most of the talk is about a certain play, the O or the D at fault.

    Belichick KNEW all along Gronk was NOT RIGHT! He had 2 weeks to devise a
    game plan around that fact, he did not. A Decoy? The Giants were not fooled they noticed immediately. A Coach using an injured player throughout the game with 10 1/2 effective players on the O? Then Belichick rants about, let them go to Manningham? The Giants did'nt need cameras for that! Coughlin then obliged to Manningham. How sweet it is!

    It's Belichick that refuses to use the run all along! He knows who butters his toast, he relies on Brady too much! Without Brady he is 8-8 at best.

    The only plays that confused the Giants were a couple of PA plays and reverses and they worked, then stopped. Refused to Use Ridley as the threat RB. Why is Vereen even on the active roster if he can't be used?
     

    A Total remake of a defense put together by sheer numbers in and out all year with JAGS?  Belichick used up all the great groceries and without them and Brady he is 8-8. And still while relying on the Brady offense to score more points than his famous bend do'nt break gives up, he leaves the Brady offense without a true RB and WR? The game was winnable with the proper planning.

    Have a good evening.

     
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    [QUOTE]Despite that perfect throw and great catch, it was the right call to make Manningham and the TE beat us. Nicks and Cruz can take a ball to the house and needed to be contained. The real problem with that play is that the Ginats even had the opportunity in the 1st place. How many times can we ask our defense to hole in one half? Our offense couldn't hold the ball.....again.
    Posted by TrueChamp[/QUOTE]

    How can it have been the right decision if it did not work? The Giants only had four possessions in the second half and they scored on three of them. That is some pretty dismal defensive play if you ask me.

     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Can we be Honest and Say who the Lost Ultimately Falls on : How can it have been the right decision if it did not work? The Giants only had four possessions in the second half and they scored on three of them. That is some pretty dismal defensive play if you ask me.
    Posted by FrnkBnhm[/QUOTE]

    Frnk, I think it was the right call to try to take out Cruz and Nicks first.  If you have to single cover anyone, Manningham is the guy to cover that way. If you had changed up the defense, it probably would have been Cruz or Nicks who made the catch that Manningham did.  In the end, you play the odds a bit, but there's never a guarantee you won't lose anyway.  What we really needed were better DBs and better pass rushers.  Without those, we were left playing the odds and ended up rolling snake eyes. 



     
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    ^ What we really needed was for our offense to get a few 1st downs in the 4rth qtr and ice the game. How long could our defense be expected to hold? How many less points can we expect them to let up then 19?
     
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    [QUOTE]http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-fantasy/09000d5d826ad5df/Giants-defense-INT?continuous=true Sorry, I go to Gronk in that situation 1000 times out of 1000, nay, 1000000 out of 1000000. The best TE in football, all alone, against a LBer? Please.  If the refs throw a flag on that play for defensive PI, LIKE THEY SHOULD HAVE, it is Patriots ball. The refs seem to conveniently ditch Polian rules when the Colts are not invovled.  The LBer basically pushed Gronkowski out of the way ... it isn't even subtle. The refs jobbed the pats on the first play, and they jobbed the Pats on that play. But going to Gronk on a LBer deep downfield one on one. No brainer. Do it every time.  
    Posted by zbellino[/QUOTE]  Zbellino, We have the best QB the best TE the best HEADCOACH and we still lose?
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Can we be Honest and Say who the Lost Ultimately Falls on :   Zbellino, We have the best QB the best TE the best HEADCOACH and we still lose?
    Posted by CHUBBIE99[/QUOTE]

    did they play like they're the best, for even more than 12 mins?
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Can we be Honest and Say who the Lost Ultimately Falls on : did they play like they're the best, for even more than 12 mins?
    Posted by seattlepat70[/QUOTE]

    people think they can do no wrong....
     
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    [QUOTE]^ What we really needed was for our offense to get a few 1st downs in the 4rth qtr and ice the game. How long could our defense be expected to hold? How many less points can we expect them to let up then 19?
    Posted by TrueChamp[/QUOTE]


    Better offense would help too. No doubt about that.  But the D is a problem too.  As I've said before, this team lost to the Giants because it isn't as talented. It has too few quality weapons on offense (and is therefore one-dimensional, especially with Gronk injured) and is terrible in pass coverage, which allows even bad QBs to mount long drives against it. 

    The problem with fans is we think the team is good because it wins so much. Really, it wins so much because the coaching is good and BB and his staff figure out how to win with scheme.  But against good teams in the playoffs scheme isn't enough. You need talent.  Until the quantity and quality of the talent rises, the team will remain vulnerable to poor performances in the playoffs.  Give BB great credit for coaching the team to the Super Bowl.  But at some point, BB the GM is going to have to give himself better groceries if he really wants to cook up something special.  
     

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