Can we have a civil debate to end all this bickering in ever thread here!

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    In Response to Re: Can we have a civil debate to end all this bickering in ever thread here! : so, does that mean you think the offense played superbly during the superbowl....with a whopping 17 points?
    Posted by anonymis


    No, I dont think that at all. The post above was just to try and point out how a particular stat can be shown to be not totally accurate when taken in context of the whole. If you go back and read some ot the earlier discussions, I have been one of the most critical people on here of how the offense, and Brady, played in the Super Bowl. They scored all of their points in a less than 18 minute span between quarters 2-3. They did NOTHING in the first quarter and they did NOTHING for the last 26 minutes of the game.
     
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    I think they will be better Dom. I think BB threw it all at that problem in the offseason and is sick of seeing games lost in the last minutes with the other guy pulling a Brady on us. My greatest football wish is to see the Giants in the SB again and watch Eli throw a pick six like his bro on the last drive to lose it to us. I can think of no sweeter scenario.
    Posted by BabeParilli

    My prediction before the Super Bowl last year was that McCourty would pick off Manning on their final drive to seal the win. Sigh.
     
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    Final thread on this!? I hope so.

    The defense wasn't as bad as some would say but we can all agree that it was the weak area on the team and the offense was the strength. Hopefully, the recent draft class will close that gap some.

    As for the Super Bowl, Brady played brilliantly some of the game, other times not so much but the whole team didn't play their best game yet they still almost won.

    The Giants had a good, albeit obvious game plan, keep the ball out of Brady's hands. In the end, the clock was a killer.

    prolate, I can't believe you questioned whether the Pats would make the playoffs midseason last year. Every team had major flaws, especially in the AFC, playoffs were a given, and making the Super Bowl was feasible.
     
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    In Response to Re: Can we have a civil debate to end all this bickering in ever thread here! : When you ask someone 'what is a defenses job in a football game?', the answer for most people is 'to stop the other team from scoring points'. Its not 'to give up fewer passing yards that the other team'. They were not the '31st ranked defense', they were the 31st ranked defense in terms of passing yards allowed and total yards allowed. They were the 15th ranked defense when you look at the stat that answers the question 'what is a defenses job in a football game?'. And it was not because the offense was playing a dominating, ball control style that allowed the defense to rest for long periods of time. The offense was superb. They pretty much scored at will during the regular season. Which meant the defense was matched against opponents who were most often behind in the game. When teams are behind, they pass the ball, a lot. How many of those yards were given up when games were out of hand already. How many were given up when Slater and Edelmann were playing DB? You over simplify Bradys Super Bowl performance by saying 'his passer rating was close to 100 (and then you add 'if you leave out that last possession')', and you over simplify how the defense played by saying 'they gave up the 2nd most yards'. There is a lot more to both of those issues, not everything is black and white.
    Posted by BostonSportsFan111


    The objective of a defense is to force the opposing offense to give up possession of the ball.
    Preventing 1st downs is the key.  If you do that, then scoring is naturally limited.
    If you don't, you spend all day on the field..
    Allowing several 1st downs (yards) a possession is extremely counter productive as each allowed 1st down keeps your own Offense off the field and therefore limits their opportunities to score.
    In the SB, the D allowed 3.25, 1st downs a possession. This is extremely high as the NFL average is 1.75, 1st downs per possession.
    This means that every additional fraction of a first down resulted in extra yards and extra time on the field.  Every additional fraction of a first down, resulting in excess yardage and extra time on the possession, cheated the offense of that time.   *** The D's job is more than just limiting scoring.***
     
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    In Response to Re: Can we have a civil debate to end all this bickering in ever thread here! : No, I dont think that at all. The post above was just to try and point out how a particular stat can be shown to be not totally accurate when taken in context of the whole. If you go back and read some ot the earlier discussions, I have been one of the most critical people on here of how the offense, and Brady, played in the Super Bowl. They scored all of their points in a less than 18 minute span between quarters 2-3. They did NOTHING in the first quarter and they did NOTHING for the last 26 minutes of the game. Posted by BostonSportsFan111
    Yeah , it looked like the offense was starting to find its rhythm but it went dead cold for the last 26 minutes. They lost in all phases but their offense struggled the most. Last year is done though, this is our year!
     
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    Prolate is somewhat of a troll, pushing the pro Brady/anti-BB agenda that the others also push.
    Posted by Dusty Bottoms


    What would you call a person who pushes his anti TB/ anti BB agenda?
    More than "somewhat" of a troll, I would imagine.
     
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    In response to "Re: Can we have a civil debate to end all this bickering in ever thread here!": Running more could have also led to more punts. It doesn't necessarily open up the passing game. Sometimes it just kills drive. Why are you so certain that running more would help? Don't you think if it would have helped BB Would have done it more? How do you explain him not doing it more? You think he would have stood by and let O'Brien lose e super bowl if he knew what O'Brien was doing was wrong? Posted by prolate0spheroid
    Prolate if you think when a defense is forced to play the run, it does not hinder their ability to defend the pass, then we have nothing more to discuss. This has been proven.........forever.
     
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    In Response to Re: Can we have a civil debate to end all this bickering in ever thread here! : Was it really 26 minutes? Oh my. I had no idea it was that bad.  Seriously. It was worse than I thought.
    Posted by Dusty Bottoms


    Of that 26 min how many did they really have with the Giants driving at will?
    There is so much context that both of the extreme ends of this argument just  ignore. 



     
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    Was it really 26 minutes? Oh my. I had no idea it was that bad.  Seriously. It was worse than I thought.
    Posted by Dusty Bottoms

    26:20
     
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    Of that 26 min how many did they really have with the Giants driving at will? There is so much context that both of the extreme ends of this argument just  ignore. 
    Posted by csylvia79

    They had 4 drives.
    3   -2 punt
    5   23 int
    11 48 punt
    8   29 end of game
     
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    Posted by digger0862


    Not saying the offense was great or Brady was great, but the whole team lost at the end of that game.
    The coaching was very uninspired, and the giants beat up the Pats on both side of the ball.
     
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    In Response to Re: Can we have a civil debate to end all this bickering in ever thread here! : "Driving at will"?  A forced punt and holding them to a FG is far from "driving at will" in the 4th qtr when our offense threw an INT, went 3 and out and then didn't convert on 2 or 3rd downs to even get into FG range. Nice try. The "driving at will" came mostly in the first half, but only 7 points were allowed.
    Posted by Dusty Bottoms


    They drove at will and controlled the clock. They scored on 3 of 4 drives and used 18 of those 26 minutes in the process,
    ****The team with the most effecient D always controls ToP****
    ******The team with the lousy D always loses Top**********
     
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    In Response to Re: Can we have a civil debate to end all this bickering in ever thread here! : "Driving at will"?  A forced punt and holding them to a FG is far from "driving at will" in the 4th qtr when our offense threw an INT, went 3 and out and then didn't convert on 2 or 3rd downs to even get into FG range. Nice try. The "driving at will" came mostly in the first half, but only 7 points were allowed.
    Posted by Dusty Bottoms



    To me it shows both an offensive and defensive failure.  A ton of missed plays by  The QB,RBs, and WRs... the o-line wasn't great ether. 

     Looking at what the D did, I guess you can say they save points of the interception but after that the Giants scored when they need to. 

    The Giants own the pats. The Whole team failed... Why to you have to put it all on Brady and just excuse everything else?



    Here is the whole Play by Play of the second half pick it apart as you will. At least there is the black and white of it.



    THIRD QUARTER

    0-0-NYG 35 L.Tynes kicks 65 yards from NYG 35 to NE 0. J.Edelman to NE 21 for 21 yards (J.Williams; S.Paysinger).

    1-10-NE 21 (14:54) T.Brady pass deep left to C.Ochocinco ran ob at NE 42 for 21 yards.

    1-10-NE 42 (14:30) (Shotgun) T.Brady pass short middle to B.Green-Ellis to 50 for 8 yards (M.Boley; C.Blackburn).

    2-2-50 (14:00) B.Green-Ellis right end pushed ob at NYG 33 for 17 yards (K.Phillips).

    1-10-NYG 33 (13:22) (Shotgun) T.Brady pass short left to W.Welker to NYG 28 for 5 yards (D.Grant).

    2-5-NYG 28 (12:54) (No Huddle) D.Woodhead left tackle to NYG 24 for 4 yards (O.Umenyiora; D.Grant).

    3-1-NYG 24 (12:27) (Run formation) B.Green-Ellis left tackle to NYG 20 for 4 yards (K.Phillips).

    1-10-NYG 20 (11:55) (No Huddle, Shotgun) T.Brady pass short left to W.Welker to NYG 12 for 8 yards (A.Rolle).

    2-2-NYG 12 (11:25) (No Huddle, Shotgun) T.Brady pass short left to A.Hernandez for 12 yards, TOUCHDOWN.

    0-0-NYG 2 S.Gostkowski extra point is GOOD, Center-D.Aiken, Holder-Z.Mesko.

    NEW ENGLAND 17, NEW YORK 9

    0-NE 35 S.Gostkowski kicks 64 yards from NE 35 to NYG 1. J.Jernigan to NYG 35 for 34 yards (S.Gostkowski; K.Arrington).

    1-10-NYG 35 (11:13) (Run formation) B.Jacobs left tackle to NYG 40 for 5 yards (V.Wilfork).

    2-5-NYG 40 (10:41) (Run formation) E.Manning pass short right to J.Ballard to NYG 41 for 1 yard (J.Ihedigbo; P.Chung).

    3-4-NYG 41 (9:53) (Shotgun) E.Manning pass short middle to H.Nicks to NYG 49 for 8 yards (A.Molden).

    1-10-NYG 49 (9:12) (Shotgun) E.Manning pass short left to B.Pascoe pushed ob at NE 43 for 8 yards (J.Ihedigbo).

    2-2-NE 43 (8:48) (Run formation) A.Bradshaw up the middle to NE 36 for 7 yards (B.Spikes).

    1-10-NE 36(8:13) (Run formation) E.Manning pass short left to H.Nicks to NE 25 for 11 yards (D.McCourty).

    1-10-NE 25 (7:34) (Shotgun) E.Manning pass incomplete short left to H.Nicks (P.Chung).

    2-10-NE 25 (7:28) (Shotgun) E.Manning pass incomplete short middle to J.Ballard (R.Ninkovich).

    3-10-NE 25 (7:24) (Shotgun) E.Manning pass short left to M.Manningham to NE 20 for 5 yards (S.Moore).

    4-5-NE 20 (6:47) L.Tynes 38 yard field goal is GOOD, Center-Z.DeOssie, Holder-S.Weatherford.

    NEW ENGLAND 17, NEW YORK 12

    0-0-NYG 35 L.Tynes kicks 69 yards from NYG 35 to NE -4. J.Edelman to NE 17 for 21 yards (S.Paysinger).

    1-10-NE 17 (6:37) B.Green-Ellis right end to NE 19 for 2 yards (C.Blackburn). NYG-J.Pierre-Paul was injured during the play.

    2-8-NE 19 (6:12) (Run formation) T.Brady pass incomplete short right to B.Green-Ellis.

    3-8-NE 19 (6:12) (Shotgun) T.Brady sacked at NE 15 for -4 yards (J.Tuck).

    4-12-NE 15 (6:12) Z.Mesko punts 43 yards to NYG 42, Center-D.Aiken. W.Blackmon to NE 48 for 10 yards (M.Slater).

    1-10-NE 48 (5:36) (Run formation) B.Jacobs right guard to NE 47 for 1 yard (S.Ellis; B.Spikes).

    2-9-NE 47 (5:01) (Run formation) E.Manning pass short right to H.Nicks to NE 30 for 17 yards (J.Mayo). FUMBLES (J.Mayo), recovered by NYG-H.Hynoski at NE 34. H.Hynoski to NE 33 for 1 yard (J.Ihedigbo).

    1-10-NE 33 (4:17) B.Jacobs right guard to NE 26 for 7 yards (B.Spikes).

    2-3-NE 26 (3:45) (Run formation) B.Jacobs up the middle to NE 23 for 3 yards (V.Wilfork).

    1-10-NE 23 (3:07) (Run formation) E.Manning pass short middle to B.Pascoe to NE 11 for 12 yards (J.Mayo).

    1-10-NE 11 (2:33) (Run formation) A.Bradshaw left guard to NE 9 for 2 yards (M.Anderson).

    2-8-NE 9 (1:53) (Shotgun) A.Bradshaw up the middle to NE 9 for no gain (G.Warren).

    3-8-NE 9 (1:14) (Shotgun) E.Manning sacked at NE 15 for -6 yards (sack split by R.Ninkovich and M.Anderson).

    4-14-NE 15 (:40) L.Tynes 33 yard field goal is GOOD, Center-Z.DeOssie, Holder-S.Weatherford.

    NEW ENGLAND 17, NEW YORK 15

    0-0-NYG 35 L.Tynes kicks 74 yards from NYG 35 to NE -9. J.Edelman, Touchback.

    1-10-NE 20 (:35) (Shotgun) T.Brady pass incomplete short right to A.Hernandez (M.Boley).

    2-10-NE 20 (:31) (Shotgun) T.Brady pass short left to D.Branch pushed ob at NE 31 for 11 yards (D.Grant).

    1-10-NE 31 (:01) (Shotgun) B.Green-Ellis up the middle to NE 38 for 7 yards (R.Bernard).

    NEW ENGLAND 17, NEW YORK 15

    ---

    FOURTH QUARTER

    2-3-NE 38 (15:00) B.Green-Ellis left tackle to NE 43 for 5 yards (M.Boley).

    1-10-NE 43 (14:31) (No Huddle, Shotgun) T.Brady pass deep left intended for R.Gronkowski INTERCEPTED by C.Blackburn (J.Pierre-Paul) at NYG 8. C.Blackburn to NYG 8 for no gain (R.Gronkowski).

    1-10-NYG 8 (14:17) (Run formation) E.Manning pass incomplete deep right to H.Nicks.

    2-10-NYG 8 (14:12) (Run formation) A.Bradshaw right end to NYG 13 for 5 yards (B.Spikes). FUMBLES (B.Spikes), recovered by NYG-C.Snee at NYG 11. C.Snee to NYG 11 for no gain (V.Wilfork).

    Timeout No. 1 by New York at 13:23.

    3-7-NYG 11 (13:23) (Shotgun) E.Manning pass incomplete short left to V.Cruz. PENALTY on NE-R.Ninkovich, Defensive Offside, 5 yards, enforced at NYG 11 -- No Play.

    3-2-NYG 16 (13:18) (Shotgun) E.Manning pass short left to H.Nicks to NYG 28 for 12 yards (D.McCourty).

    1-10-NYG 28 (12:44) (Run formation) A.Bradshaw up the middle to NYG 30 for 2 yards (R.Ninkovich).

    2-8-NYG 30 (12:03) (Shotgun) E.Manning pass short left to V.Cruz to NYG 37 for 7 yards (K.Arrington). NYG-J.Ballard was injured during the play.

    3-1-NYG 37 (11:38) (Run formation) E.Manning pass short right to V.Cruz to NYG 45 for 8 yards (B.Spikes).

    1-10-NYG 45 (10:57) (Run formation) E.Manning pass short left to M.Manningham to NE 43 for 12 yards (B.Spikes).

    1-10-NE 43 (10:12) (Run formation) E.Manning pass short left to H.Nicks pushed ob at NE 38 for 5 yards (A.Molden).

    2-5-NE 38 (9:41) (Run formation) E.Manning pass incomplete deep right to M.Manningham.

    Timeout No. 2 by New York at 09:35.

    3-5-NE 38 (9:35) (Shotgun) PENALTY on NYG-K.Boothe, False Start, 5 yards, enforced at NE 38 -- No Play.

    3-10-NE 43 (9:35) (Shotgun) E.Manning pass incomplete short right to M.Manningham (S.Moore).

    4-10-NE 43 (9:31) S.Weatherford punts 35 yards to NE 8, Center-Z.DeOssie, fair catch by W.Welker.

    1-10-NE 8 (9:24) (Shotgun) T.Brady pass incomplete short middle to A.Hernandez (L.Joseph).

    2-10-NE 8 (9:19) (Shotgun) T.Brady pass short right to W.Welker to NE 13 for 5 yards (J.Williams).

    3-5-NE 13 (8:35) (Shotgun) T.Brady pass short right to D.Woodhead to NE 32 for 19 yards (D.Grant).

    1-10-NE 32 (7:48) B.Green-Ellis left end to NE 35 for 3 yards (J.Pierre-Paul). NYG-A.Rolle was injured during the play.

    2-7-NE 35 (7:22) (Shotgun) W.Welker left end to NE 46 for 11 yards (K.Phillips).

    1-10-NE 46 (6:36) D.Woodhead left tackle to NE 47 for 1 yard (J.Tuck).

    2-9-NE 47 (6:05) (Shotgun) T.Brady pass short right to R.Gronkowski to NYG 47 for 6 yards (P.Amukamara).

    3-3-NYG 47 (5:22) (Shotgun) T.Brady pass short left to A.Hernandez to NYG 43 for 4 yards (M.Boley).

    1-10-NYG 43 (4:40) (Run formation) B.Green-Ellis up the middle to NYG 44 for -1 yards (C.Canty).

    2-11-NYG 44 (4:06) (Shotgun) T.Brady pass incomplete deep left to W.Welker.

    3-11-NYG 44 (4:00) T.Brady pass incomplete deep middle to D.Branch (C.Webster).

    4-11-NYG 44 (3:53) Z.Mesko punts 32 yards to NYG 12, Center-D.Aiken, fair catch by W.Blackmon.

    1-10-NYG 12 (3:46) (Shotgun) E.Manning pass deep left to M.Manningham pushed ob at 50 for 38 yards (P.Chung). New England challenged the pass completion ruling, and the play was Upheld. (Timeout No 1 for New England).

    1-10-50 (3:39) (Shotgun) E.Manning pass incomplete deep right to M.Manningham.

    2-10-50 (3:34) (Shotgun) E.Manning pass short right to M.Manningham to NE 34 for 16 yards (S.Moore).

    1-10-NE 34 (2:52) (Shotgun) E.Manning pass short left to M.Manningham to NE 32 for 2 yards (D.McCourty).

    2-8-NE 32 (2:09) (Shotgun) E.Manning pass short left to H.Nicks to NE 18 for 14 yards (A.Molden).

    Two-Minute Warning

    1-10-NE 18 (2:00) A.Bradshaw up the middle to NE 11 for 7 yards (J.Ihedigbo; M.Anderson).

    2-3-NE 11 (1:15) (Shotgun) E.Manning pass short left to H.Nicks pushed ob at NE 7 for 4 yards (D.McCourty).

    1-7-NE 7 (1:09) T.Ugoh reported in as eligible. A.Bradshaw up the middle to NE 6 for 1 yard (J.Mayo).

    Timeout No. 2 by New England at 01:04.

    2-6-NE 6 (1:04) (Run formation) T.Ugoh reported in as eligible. A.Bradshaw up the middle for 6 yards, TOUCHDOWN.

    0-0-NE 2 TWO-POINT CONVERSION ATTEMPT. D.Ware rushes right guard. ATTEMPT FAILS

    NEW YORK 21, NEW ENGLAND 17

    0-0-NYG 35 L.Tynes kicks 70 yards from NYG 35 to NE -5. J.Edelman, Touchback.

    1-10-NE 20 (:57) (Shotgun) T.Brady pass incomplete deep middle to D.Branch (K.Phillips).

    2-10-NE 20 (:52) (Shotgun) T.Brady pass incomplete short right to A.Hernandez (O.Umenyiora).

    3-10-NE 20 (:48) (Shotgun) T.Brady sacked at NE 14 for -6 yards (J.Tuck).

    Timeout No. 3 by New England at 00:36.

    4-16-NE 14 (:39) (Shotgun) T.Brady pass deep left to D.Branch pushed ob at NE 33 for 19 yards (C.Webster).

    1-10-NE 44 (:17) T.Brady spiked the ball to stop the clock.

    2-10-NE 44 (:17) (Shotgun) T.Brady pass incomplete deep right to A.Hernandez. PENALTY on NYG-J.Tuck, Defensive 12 On-field, 5 yards, enforced at NE 44 -- No Play.

    2-5-NE 49 (:09) (Shotgun) T.Brady pass incomplete short left to D.Branch.

    3-5-NE 49 (:05) (Shotgun) T.Brady pass incomplete deep middle to A.Hernandez.

    FINAL

    NEW YORK 21, NEW ENGLAND 17




    1-10-NYG 12 (3:46) (Shotgun) E.Manning pass deep left to M.Manningham pushed ob at 50 for 38 yards (P.Chung). New England challenged the pass completion ruling, and the play was Upheld. (Timeout No 1 for New England).

    1-10-50 (3:39) (Shotgun) E.Manning pass incomplete deep right to M.Manningham.

    2-10-50 (3:34) (Shotgun) E.Manning pass short right to M.Manningham to NE 34 for 16 yards (S.Moore).

    1-10-NE 34 (2:52) (Shotgun) E.Manning pass short left to M.Manningham to NE 32 for 2 yards (D.McCourty).

    2-8-NE 32 (2:09) (Shotgun) E.Manning pass short left to H.Nicks to NE 18 for 14 yards (A.Molden).

    Two-Minute Warning

    1-10-NE 18 (2:00) A.Bradshaw up the middle to NE 11 for 7 yards (J.Ihedigbo; M.Anderson).

    2-3-NE 11 (1:15) (Shotgun) E.Manning pass short left to H.Nicks pushed ob at NE 7 for 4 yards (D.McCourty).

    1-7-NE 7 (1:09) T.Ugoh reported in as eligible. A.Bradshaw up the middle to NE 6 for 1 yard (J.Mayo).

    Timeout No. 2 by New England at 01:04.

    2-6-NE 6 (1:04) (Run formation) T.Ugoh reported in as eligible. A.Bradshaw up the middle for 6 yards, TOUCHDOWN.

     
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    In Response to Re: Can we have a civil debate to end all this bickering in ever thread here! : "Anti" BB? I've been banned here in 2010 and 2011 in defending BB's genius rebuild approach in and out of this lockout. Too bad if you can't see Brady has struggled in his last 2 AFC Title games with 5 INTS. You have an illness to not admit that Brady hasn';t been that good when it's counted. That's not our (rational and honest Pats fans) problem.  Just get over it. You'll be mortified here forever if he blows the SB again.
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    Wrong, I'll be mortified forever if the D loses the lead and the game in the last minute again.
     
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    You guys are so obsessed with yards, a by product of fantasy football.  Point matter, yards be damned. 

    In the Giant's Super Bowl victory over the Bills, Belichick gave Thurman Thomas all the yards he wanted but the defense held them to field goals or punts...  His defensive game plan landed in the Hall Of Fame. F yards...

    You only get points for yards in fantasy land.
     
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    In Response to Re: Can we have a civil debate to end all this bickering in ever thread here! : So, if the offense scores, say 10 points in the SB this year, you'd blame the D again? bawaahaahh! Cannot be made up. Just can't be.  I don't want to hear one word from you about any good games Brady has in the regular season.  Not one. 
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    You will hear what you're told to hear and like it junior.
     
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    You guys are so obsessed with yards, a by product of fantasy football.  Point matter, yards be damned.  In the Giant's Super Bowl victory over the Bills, Belichick gave Thurman Thomas all the yards he wanted but the defense held them to field goals or punts...  His defensive game plan landed in the Hall Of Fame. F yards... You only get points for yards in fantasy land.
    Posted by wozzy

    Yes. People can shove their yardage stats where the sun don't shine. If the Pats score just one lousy field goal in the second half after their opening TD drive, the D would have held in the red zone instead of gifting the Giants their final TD.
     
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    Re: Can we have a civil debate to end all this bickering in ever thread here!

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    You guys are so obsessed with yards, a by product of fantasy football.  Point matter, yards be damned.  In the Giant's Super Bowl victory over the Bills, Belichick gave Thurman Thomas all the yards he wanted but the defense held them to field goals or punts...  His defensive game plan landed in the Hall Of Fame. F yards... You only get points for yards in fantasy land.
    Posted by wozzy


    Yah they let Thurman Thomas run all over them... but the giants held the ball for 40:30, how does that work if running the ball is the answer to TOP?


     
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    In Response to Re: Can we have a civil debate to end all this bickering in ever thread here! : Yes. People can shove their yardage stats where the sun don't shine. If the Pats score just one lousy field goal in the second half after their opening TD drive, the D would have held in the red zone instead of gifting the Giants their final TD.
    Posted by digger0862


    Maybe they do or maybe  they don't we will never know. I do know they would have had a first down without the gift.
     
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    In Response to Re: Can we have a civil debate to end all this bickering in ever thread here! : Yes. People can shove their yardage stats where the sun don't shine. If the Pats score just one lousy field goal in the second half after their opening TD drive, the D would have held in the red zone instead of gifting the Giants their final TD.
    Posted by digger0862


    Agreed, if the Pat's had just moved the chains after Brady's interception, never mind score, they would have left no time for the Giant's to do anything. Game over...

    But unlike the first three Super Bowls the offense was impotent in the clutch... thus Tom's recent comments about the 4 minute offense.
     
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    In Response to Re: Can we have a civil debate to end all this bickering in ever thread here! : Agreed, if the Pat's had just moved the chains after Brady's interception, never mind score, they would have left no time for the Giant's to do anything. Game over... But unlike the first three Super Bowls the offense was impotent in the clutch... thus Tom's recent comments about the 4 minute offense.
    Posted by wozzy


    I agree that is where the offense failed. Too many missed plays.
     
    But being a defensive player my whole life I have been in the position in game when it is all on us to win and I still think the D also failed.
     
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    Re: Can we have a civil debate to end all this bickering in ever thread here!

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    In Response to Re: Can we have a civil debate to end all this bickering in ever thread here! : Agreed, if the Pat's had just moved the chains after Brady's interception, never mind score, they would have left no time for the Giant's to do anything. Game over... But unlike the first three Super Bowls the offense was impotent in the clutch... thus Tom's recent comments about the 4 minute offense.
    Posted by wozzy


    It's kind of funny that we keep talking about this...kind of makes you wonder just how good a team we really are/were. Think about it for a second - the offense was flawed and the defense was ranked about as low as you can get.

    I think Belichick and Brady were the real difference makers in last season. I thought for the most part they both were on top of there games. I worry about a team like Houston getting their QB back and peaking at the right time...I also worry about Brady taking a nasty shot before this offensive line comes together.
     
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    Re: Can we have a civil debate to end all this bickering in ever thread here!

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    Lol!  There is a guy on 98.5 right now saying "Brady picks his WRs" LOL!! Told ya! This isn't something only I believe. WIDELY suggested throughout this fanbase.
    Posted by Dusty Bottoms


    Yes everything on sport talk radio is fact!  Only when it agrees with you POV... if someone else post something they heard or read you blast them.... at least be fair man.
     
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    Cue Hurlie's built in ready made Brady excuse for 2012: The O Line. Priceless.  It's always someone else or some other position but Brady. 
    Posted by Dusty Bottoms


    No its a combination of postions that fail.  No one piece will win a game game for you.
     
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    Re: Can we have a civil debate to end all this bickering in ever thread here!

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    In Response to Re: Can we have a civil debate to end all this bickering in ever thread here! : So, if the offense scores, say 10 points in the SB this year, you'd blame the D again? bawaahaahh! Cannot be made up. Just can't be.  I don't want to hear one word from you about any good games Brady has in the regular season.  Not one. 
    Posted by Dusty Bottoms


    The O only scored 7 pts the other day but the D allowed only 6.  Isn't that how you win?
     
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