In Response to
Re: Can we have a civil debate to end all this bickering in ever thread here!:
In Response to Re: Can we have a civil debate to end all this bickering in ever thread here! : "Driving at will"? A forced punt and holding them to a FG is far from "driving at will" in the 4th qtr when our offense threw an INT, went 3 and out and then didn't convert on 2 or 3rd downs to even get into FG range. Nice try. The "driving at will" came mostly in the first half, but only 7 points were allowed.
Posted by Dusty Bottoms
To me it shows both an offensive and defensive failure. A ton of missed plays by The QB,RBs, and WRs... the o-line wasn't great ether.
Looking at what the D did, I guess you can say they save points of the interception but after that the Giants scored when they need to.
The Giants own the pats. The Whole team failed... Why to you have to put it all on Brady and just excuse everything else?
Here is the whole Play by Play of the second half pick it apart as you will. At least there is the black and white of it.
THIRD QUARTER
0-0-NYG 35 L.Tynes kicks 65 yards from NYG 35 to NE 0. J.Edelman to NE 21 for 21 yards (J.Williams; S.Paysinger).
1-10-NE 21 (14:54) T.Brady pass deep left to C.Ochocinco ran ob at NE 42 for 21 yards.
1-10-NE 42 (14:30) (Shotgun) T.Brady pass short middle to B.Green-Ellis to 50 for 8 yards (M.Boley; C.Blackburn).
2-2-50 (14:00) B.Green-Ellis right end pushed ob at NYG 33 for 17 yards (K.Phillips).
1-10-NYG 33 (13:22) (Shotgun) T.Brady pass short left to W.Welker to NYG 28 for 5 yards (D.Grant).
2-5-NYG 28 (12:54) (No Huddle) D.Woodhead left tackle to NYG 24 for 4 yards (O.Umenyiora; D.Grant).
3-1-NYG 24 (12:27) (Run formation) B.Green-Ellis left tackle to NYG 20 for 4 yards (K.Phillips).
1-10-NYG 20 (11:55) (No Huddle, Shotgun) T.Brady pass short left to W.Welker to NYG 12 for 8 yards (A.Rolle).
2-2-NYG 12 (11:25) (No Huddle, Shotgun) T.Brady pass short left to A.Hernandez for 12 yards, TOUCHDOWN.
0-0-NYG 2 S.Gostkowski extra point is GOOD, Center-D.Aiken, Holder-Z.Mesko.
NEW ENGLAND 17, NEW YORK 9
0-NE 35 S.Gostkowski kicks 64 yards from NE 35 to NYG 1. J.Jernigan to NYG 35 for 34 yards (S.Gostkowski; K.Arrington).
1-10-NYG 35 (11:13) (Run formation) B.Jacobs left tackle to NYG 40 for 5 yards (V.Wilfork).
2-5-NYG 40 (10:41) (Run formation) E.Manning pass short right to J.Ballard to NYG 41 for 1 yard (J.Ihedigbo; P.Chung).
3-4-NYG 41 (9:53) (Shotgun) E.Manning pass short middle to H.Nicks to NYG 49 for 8 yards (A.Molden).
1-10-NYG 49 (9:12) (Shotgun) E.Manning pass short left to B.Pascoe pushed ob at NE 43 for 8 yards (J.Ihedigbo).
2-2-NE 43 (8:48) (Run formation) A.Bradshaw up the middle to NE 36 for 7 yards (B.Spikes).
1-10-NE 36(8:13) (Run formation) E.Manning pass short left to H.Nicks to NE 25 for 11 yards (D.McCourty).
1-10-NE 25 (7:34) (Shotgun) E.Manning pass incomplete short left to H.Nicks (P.Chung).
2-10-NE 25 (7:28) (Shotgun) E.Manning pass incomplete short middle to J.Ballard (R.Ninkovich).
3-10-NE 25 (7:24) (Shotgun) E.Manning pass short left to M.Manningham to NE 20 for 5 yards (S.Moore).
4-5-NE 20 (6:47) L.Tynes 38 yard field goal is GOOD, Center-Z.DeOssie, Holder-S.Weatherford.
NEW ENGLAND 17, NEW YORK 12
0-0-NYG 35 L.Tynes kicks 69 yards from NYG 35 to NE -4. J.Edelman to NE 17 for 21 yards (S.Paysinger).
1-10-NE 17 (6:37) B.Green-Ellis right end to NE 19 for 2 yards (C.Blackburn). NYG-J.Pierre-Paul was injured during the play.
2-8-NE 19 (6:12) (Run formation) T.Brady pass incomplete short right to B.Green-Ellis.
3-8-NE 19 (6:12) (Shotgun) T.Brady sacked at NE 15 for -4 yards (J.Tuck).
4-12-NE 15 (6:12) Z.Mesko punts 43 yards to NYG 42, Center-D.Aiken. W.Blackmon to NE 48 for 10 yards (M.Slater).
1-10-NE 48 (5:36) (Run formation) B.Jacobs right guard to NE 47 for 1 yard (S.Ellis; B.Spikes).
2-9-NE 47 (5:01) (Run formation) E.Manning pass short right to H.Nicks to NE 30 for 17 yards (J.Mayo). FUMBLES (J.Mayo), recovered by NYG-H.Hynoski at NE 34. H.Hynoski to NE 33 for 1 yard (J.Ihedigbo).
1-10-NE 33 (4:17) B.Jacobs right guard to NE 26 for 7 yards (B.Spikes).
2-3-NE 26 (3:45) (Run formation) B.Jacobs up the middle to NE 23 for 3 yards (V.Wilfork).
1-10-NE 23 (3:07) (Run formation) E.Manning pass short middle to B.Pascoe to NE 11 for 12 yards (J.Mayo).
1-10-NE 11 (2:33) (Run formation) A.Bradshaw left guard to NE 9 for 2 yards (M.Anderson).
2-8-NE 9 (1:53) (Shotgun) A.Bradshaw up the middle to NE 9 for no gain (G.Warren).
3-8-NE 9 (1:14) (Shotgun) E.Manning sacked at NE 15 for -6 yards (sack split by R.Ninkovich and M.Anderson).
4-14-NE 15 (:40) L.Tynes 33 yard field goal is GOOD, Center-Z.DeOssie, Holder-S.Weatherford.
NEW ENGLAND 17, NEW YORK 15
0-0-NYG 35 L.Tynes kicks 74 yards from NYG 35 to NE -9. J.Edelman, Touchback.
1-10-NE 20 (:35) (Shotgun) T.Brady pass incomplete short right to A.Hernandez (M.Boley).
2-10-NE 20 (:31) (Shotgun) T.Brady pass short left to D.Branch pushed ob at NE 31 for 11 yards (D.Grant).
1-10-NE 31 (:01) (Shotgun) B.Green-Ellis up the middle to NE 38 for 7 yards (R.Bernard).
NEW ENGLAND 17, NEW YORK 15
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FOURTH QUARTER
2-3-NE 38 (15:00) B.Green-Ellis left tackle to NE 43 for 5 yards (M.Boley).
1-10-NE 43 (14:31) (No Huddle, Shotgun) T.Brady pass deep left intended for R.Gronkowski INTERCEPTED by C.Blackburn (J.Pierre-Paul) at NYG 8. C.Blackburn to NYG 8 for no gain (R.Gronkowski).
1-10-NYG 8 (14:17) (Run formation) E.Manning pass incomplete deep right to H.Nicks.
2-10-NYG 8 (14:12) (Run formation) A.Bradshaw right end to NYG 13 for 5 yards (B.Spikes). FUMBLES (B.Spikes), recovered by NYG-C.Snee at NYG 11. C.Snee to NYG 11 for no gain (V.Wilfork).
Timeout No. 1 by New York at 13:23.
3-7-NYG 11 (13:23) (Shotgun) E.Manning pass incomplete short left to V.Cruz. PENALTY on NE-R.Ninkovich, Defensive Offside, 5 yards, enforced at NYG 11 -- No Play.
3-2-NYG 16 (13:18) (Shotgun) E.Manning pass short left to H.Nicks to NYG 28 for 12 yards (D.McCourty).
1-10-NYG 28 (12:44) (Run formation) A.Bradshaw up the middle to NYG 30 for 2 yards (R.Ninkovich).
2-8-NYG 30 (12:03) (Shotgun) E.Manning pass short left to V.Cruz to NYG 37 for 7 yards (K.Arrington). NYG-J.Ballard was injured during the play.
3-1-NYG 37 (11:38) (Run formation) E.Manning pass short right to V.Cruz to NYG 45 for 8 yards (B.Spikes).
1-10-NYG 45 (10:57) (Run formation) E.Manning pass short left to M.Manningham to NE 43 for 12 yards (B.Spikes).
1-10-NE 43 (10:12) (Run formation) E.Manning pass short left to H.Nicks pushed ob at NE 38 for 5 yards (A.Molden).
2-5-NE 38 (9:41) (Run formation) E.Manning pass incomplete deep right to M.Manningham.
Timeout No. 2 by New York at 09:35.
3-5-NE 38 (9:35) (Shotgun) PENALTY on NYG-K.Boothe, False Start, 5 yards, enforced at NE 38 -- No Play.
3-10-NE 43 (9:35) (Shotgun) E.Manning pass incomplete short right to M.Manningham (S.Moore).
4-10-NE 43 (9:31) S.Weatherford punts 35 yards to NE 8, Center-Z.DeOssie, fair catch by W.Welker.
1-10-NE 8 (9:24) (Shotgun) T.Brady pass incomplete short middle to A.Hernandez (L.Joseph).
2-10-NE 8 (9:19) (Shotgun) T.Brady pass short right to W.Welker to NE 13 for 5 yards (J.Williams).
3-5-NE 13 (8:35) (Shotgun) T.Brady pass short right to D.Woodhead to NE 32 for 19 yards (D.Grant).
1-10-NE 32 (7:48) B.Green-Ellis left end to NE 35 for 3 yards (J.Pierre-Paul). NYG-A.Rolle was injured during the play.
2-7-NE 35 (7:22) (Shotgun) W.Welker left end to NE 46 for 11 yards (K.Phillips).
1-10-NE 46 (6:36) D.Woodhead left tackle to NE 47 for 1 yard (J.Tuck).
2-9-NE 47 (6:05) (Shotgun) T.Brady pass short right to R.Gronkowski to NYG 47 for 6 yards (P.Amukamara).
3-3-NYG 47 (5:22) (Shotgun) T.Brady pass short left to A.Hernandez to NYG 43 for 4 yards (M.Boley).
1-10-NYG 43 (4:40) (Run formation) B.Green-Ellis up the middle to NYG 44 for -1 yards (C.Canty).
2-11-NYG 44 (4:06) (Shotgun) T.Brady pass incomplete deep left to W.Welker.
3-11-NYG 44 (4:00) T.Brady pass incomplete deep middle to D.Branch (C.Webster).
4-11-NYG 44 (3:53) Z.Mesko punts 32 yards to NYG 12, Center-D.Aiken, fair catch by W.Blackmon.
1-10-NYG 12 (3:46) (Shotgun) E.Manning pass deep left to M.Manningham pushed ob at 50 for 38 yards (P.Chung). New England challenged the pass completion ruling, and the play was Upheld. (Timeout No 1 for New England).
1-10-50 (3:39) (Shotgun) E.Manning pass incomplete deep right to M.Manningham.
2-10-50 (3:34) (Shotgun) E.Manning pass short right to M.Manningham to NE 34 for 16 yards (S.Moore).
1-10-NE 34 (2:52) (Shotgun) E.Manning pass short left to M.Manningham to NE 32 for 2 yards (D.McCourty).
2-8-NE 32 (2:09) (Shotgun) E.Manning pass short left to H.Nicks to NE 18 for 14 yards (A.Molden).
Two-Minute Warning
1-10-NE 18 (2:00) A.Bradshaw up the middle to NE 11 for 7 yards (J.Ihedigbo; M.Anderson).
2-3-NE 11 (1:15) (Shotgun) E.Manning pass short left to H.Nicks pushed ob at NE 7 for 4 yards (D.McCourty).
1-7-NE 7 (1:09) T.Ugoh reported in as eligible. A.Bradshaw up the middle to NE 6 for 1 yard (J.Mayo).
Timeout No. 2 by New England at 01:04.
2-6-NE 6 (1:04) (Run formation) T.Ugoh reported in as eligible. A.Bradshaw up the middle for 6 yards, TOUCHDOWN.
0-0-NE 2 TWO-POINT CONVERSION ATTEMPT. D.Ware rushes right guard. ATTEMPT FAILS
NEW YORK 21, NEW ENGLAND 17
0-0-NYG 35 L.Tynes kicks 70 yards from NYG 35 to NE -5. J.Edelman, Touchback.
1-10-NE 20 (:57) (Shotgun) T.Brady pass incomplete deep middle to D.Branch (K.Phillips).
2-10-NE 20 (:52) (Shotgun) T.Brady pass incomplete short right to A.Hernandez (O.Umenyiora).
3-10-NE 20 (:48) (Shotgun) T.Brady sacked at NE 14 for -6 yards (J.Tuck).
Timeout No. 3 by New England at 00:36.
4-16-NE 14 (:39) (Shotgun) T.Brady pass deep left to D.Branch pushed ob at NE 33 for 19 yards (C.Webster).
1-10-NE 44 (:17) T.Brady spiked the ball to stop the clock.
2-10-NE 44 (:17) (Shotgun) T.Brady pass incomplete deep right to A.Hernandez. PENALTY on NYG-J.Tuck, Defensive 12 On-field, 5 yards, enforced at NE 44 -- No Play.
2-5-NE 49 (:09) (Shotgun) T.Brady pass incomplete short left to D.Branch.
3-5-NE 49 (:05) (Shotgun) T.Brady pass incomplete deep middle to A.Hernandez.
FINAL
NEW YORK 21, NEW ENGLAND 17
1-10-NYG 12 (3:46) (Shotgun) E.Manning pass deep left to M.Manningham pushed ob at 50 for 38 yards (P.Chung). New England challenged the pass completion ruling, and the play was Upheld. (Timeout No 1 for New England).
1-10-50 (3:39) (Shotgun) E.Manning pass incomplete deep right to M.Manningham.
2-10-50 (3:34) (Shotgun) E.Manning pass short right to M.Manningham to NE 34 for 16 yards (S.Moore).
1-10-NE 34 (2:52) (Shotgun) E.Manning pass short left to M.Manningham to NE 32 for 2 yards (D.McCourty).
2-8-NE 32 (2:09) (Shotgun) E.Manning pass short left to H.Nicks to NE 18 for 14 yards (A.Molden).
Two-Minute Warning
1-10-NE 18 (2:00) A.Bradshaw up the middle to NE 11 for 7 yards (J.Ihedigbo; M.Anderson).
2-3-NE 11 (1:15) (Shotgun) E.Manning pass short left to H.Nicks pushed ob at NE 7 for 4 yards (D.McCourty).
1-7-NE 7 (1:09) T.Ugoh reported in as eligible. A.Bradshaw up the middle to NE 6 for 1 yard (J.Mayo).
Timeout No. 2 by New England at 01:04.
2-6-NE 6 (1:04) (Run formation) T.Ugoh reported in as eligible. A.Bradshaw up the middle for 6 yards, TOUCHDOWN.
