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I don't recall falling in love with Chung either.  Me telling you inbreds to let the guy play before wanting him to be Rodney Harrison overnight as a 2nd rd pick, is a long way from "I love Pat Chung's play".

You're a terrible liar, which must be a real problem for you in real life.  Liars are losers.

Preheat that oven, Cupcake!

You are the king liar junior.

We all remember you championing Chung, crying about how good the D would be when he got back from his many injuries because he was so essential.

Truly I cannot recall any 3 posters put together on any board in my life that were as wrong as you are.

You are so wrong, so often, that if one were to say the exact opposite of what you say every time they would be one of the brightest posters around.

Face it junior. You absolutely totally suck at football analysis and have been wrong about almost everything you have ever said. That's amazing.... in a bad way.

You are without a doubt the worst football mind I have ever encountered anywhere, anytime.

This is hilarious!

I can recall rusty running around here defending Chung at every turn. Chung misses a tackle...here comes rusty!! No he didn't, what do you expect? The guy to make tackles? Chung takes a horrendous angle and looks like a lost division three nobody running around in the secondary...here comes rusty!! What do you expect? Chung is a "in the box safety"...Belichick is just using him wrong. If you put Chung in the box he is the enforcer we need - I mean yeah he's too small, gets hurt and can't match up physically with half the poeple he'd meet in the box, but you're all spoiled. Hey didn't you all see him shut down Antonio Gates all by himself...Gates did nothing and it was basically Chung all alone on him...Belichick trusts him...the warning were out people! Two days later it was learned Gates had a knee injury and was running around on one leg...he wouldn't play for the next 6 weeks.

So Rust, when exactly did you turn on Chung? Was when he spent another year injured and ineffective? Was it when he continued to NOT improve in pass defense? Was it his lack of size and physicality? Or was it when it was reported that he had checked out and quit on his teammates when Belichick put him where he belonged...on the bench.

Oh do tell Rusty...do tell! I can't wait to hear your football expertise again! LMAO!

LOL

Check out the SB 46 thread. I just watch Chung decapitate Nicks on a sideline play holding the Giants to their second FG in last year's SB.   Great play.  Too Brady couldn't make one.

Maybe if Brady didn't underperform again, Chung would have been in the Lombardi club going into this season? 

God forbid Chung plays well in 2010, played well in 2011 (when on the field), and I said into 2012 "Let's see what he does in 2012 before continuting to hammer Chung".

Funny how you do that on a thread that nails the problems with how Brady wants to run his offense why our own team wasn't back in the SB this year. How convenient.

You must have an alarm that goes off that makes you run from the kitchen to your computer away from those cupcakes to discover new ways to deflect from Brady's regression as a QB.

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I don't recall falling in love with Chung either.  Me telling you inbreds to let the guy play before wanting him to be Rodney Harrison overnight as a 2nd rd pick, is a long way from "I love Pat Chung's play".

You're a terrible liar, which must be a real problem for you in real life.  Liars are losers.

Preheat that oven, Cupcake!

You are the king liar junior.

We all remember you championing Chung, crying about how good the D would be when he got back from his many injuries because he was so essential.

Truly I cannot recall any 3 posters put together on any board in my life that were as wrong as you are.

You are so wrong, so often, that if one were to say the exact opposite of what you say every time they would be one of the brightest posters around.

Face it junior. You absolutely totally suck at football analysis and have been wrong about almost everything you have ever said. That's amazing.... in a bad way.

You are without a doubt the worst football mind I have ever encountered anywhere, anytime.

This is hilarious!

I can recall rusty running around here defending Chung at every turn. Chung misses a tackle...here comes rusty!! No he didn't, what do you expect? The guy to make tackles? Chung takes a horrendous angle and looks like a lost division three nobody running around in the secondary...here comes rusty!! What do you expect? Chung is a "in the box safety"...Belichick is just using him wrong. If you put Chung in the box he is the enforcer we need - I mean yeah he's too small, gets hurt and can't match up physically with half the poeple he'd meet in the box, but you're all spoiled. Hey didn't you all see him shut down Antonio Gates all by himself...Gates did nothing and it was basically Chung all alone on him...Belichick trusts him...the warning were out people! Two days later it was learned Gates had a knee injury and was running around on one leg...he wouldn't play for the next 6 weeks.

So Rust, when exactly did you turn on Chung? Was when he spent another year injured and ineffective? Was it when he continued to NOT improve in pass defense? Was it his lack of size and physicality? Or was it when it was reported that he had checked out and quit on his teammates when Belichick put him where he belonged...on the bench.

Oh do tell Rusty...do tell! I can't wait to hear your football expertise again! LMAO!

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IN 2003, this TEAM WAS STACKED! 2007 aint SHIT compared to these guys... Rusty point to Givens being a 7th round pic and I say "so what" did he perform in the SB and in the Clutch or NOT??  He WAS PHYSICAL and worked ALL parts of the field

Deion Branch played in 15 games and led the team in Catches that year with 57!!! and 3 TD's  (Surely we need a 100 catch WR to win it all right???)

Kevin Faulk played in 15 games and was 2nd on the team with 48 catches

Troy Brown played in 12 games and had 38 catches and 4 TD's in a year that he started to be phased out due to younger players like Branch and Givens. Also was injured that year.

Daniel Graham played in 14 games and had 38 catches and 4 TD's while mainly being a run blocker and catching balls from playaction.

David Givens played in 13 games and had 34 catches and 6 TD's in a limited role before becoming full time starter in 04'. This is something we dont allow anymore. Raw WR's to develop in 2 years like David did, who came in as a RB and was playing CB one preseason to making plays in the SB. Now we just cut guys after a year if we dont like them. He had 56 catches the following year.

Christian Furia played in 16 games and had 28 catches and 2 TDs after totaling 7 the year before.

David Patten  played in only 6 games that year due to injury and had only 9 catches. The following year  he bounced back and had 44 catches for 800 yards and 7 TD's. This was our deep threat wether some care to admit or not. More reliable than Moss.

Bethel Johnson played in 15 games and had only 9 catches but made a BIG splash on s/t, returning 2 kicks for TDs and making a game sealing deep catch vs Seattle that year. (weiss as his best)

Dedric Ward picked up late in the year played in 4 games and managed 7 catches and a TD.

JJ Stokes  played in 2 games and caught 2 catches.

Larry Centers played in 9 games and had 19 catches and a TD.

So What I see is a very well rounded, talented team that spread the ball. I didnt see any 100 catch WRs. NO 1500 yard rushers. Just a game manager, handing off, passing to open guys and playing with a solid, aggressive defense that was full of playmakers who made plays in the clutch. So not only are our defenses worse than years past, Brady has had less to work with too. Guys just see Moss and Welker and their numbers but WHO was after them???  NOONE!  Glad I could clear that up. Anyone care to post the totals from 07 or this past year???  lol

Just a reminder. This years 3rd and 4th WRs were Slater and Aiken!!!  Lol and Edleman was the starter in week 1......  Wow...  You guys are funny!  Always making up stuff to support agendas and let you guys tell it, our offense wont even MOVE without Wes here....Bwaah-haaaaa-haaaa (evil count dracula voice)

That the weapons Brady had back in his SB winning years were inferior to all the teams that have played since 2007???

I mean it gets so sickening listen to ignorant fans say "Brady didnt have any weapons then, Where was the # 1, there wasnt any deep threat,etc.  SHUT IT!!!!  Let me just focus on the 03' season where we got contributions from everywhere . Guys got hurt, others stepped up. The Ball was SPREAD around and we Absolutely had players to attack every part of the field. We had a Bruising RB in A.Smith, complimented by a Fb who could catch(centers) and a change of pace back who was clutch and could also catch out of backfield. Contrast that now to a one dimensional Slot player who cant outrun anyone or get deep and has linebackers covering him in Wes. A nice, big TE who is always hurt at the end of the year and a # WR in Lloyd who ONLY works the sideline and isnt clutch and a hybrid WR/TE in Hernandez who is always hurt and just started drinking legally...Not EVEN CLOSE! 

IN 2003, this TEAM WAS STACKED! 2007 aint SHIT compared to these guys... Rusty point to Givens being a 7th round pic and I say "so what" did he perform in the SB and in the Clutch or NOT??  He WAS PHYSICAL and worked ALL parts of the field

Deion Branch played in 15 games and led the team in Catches that year with 57!!! and 3 TD's  (Surely we need a 100 catch WR to win it all right???)

Kevin Faulk played in 15 games and was 2nd on the team with 48 catches

Troy Brown played in 12 games and had 38 catches and 4 TD's in a year that he started to be phased out due to younger players like Branch and Givens. Also was injured that year.

Daniel Graham played in 14 games and had 38 catches and 4 TD's while mainly being a run blocker and catching balls from playaction.

David Givens played in 13 games and had 34 catches and 6 TD's in a limited role before becoming full time starter in 04'. This is something we dont allow anymore. Raw WR's to develop in 2 years like David did, who came in as a RB and was playing CB one preseason to making plays in the SB. Now we just cut guys after a year if we dont like them. He had 56 catches the following year.

Christian Furia played in 16 games and had 28 catches and 2 TDs after totaling 7 the year before.

David Patten  played in only 6 games that year due to injury and had only 9 catches. The following year  he bounced back and had 44 catches for 800 yards and 7 TD's. This was our deep threat wether some care to admit or not. More reliable than Moss.

Bethel Johnson played in 15 games and had only 9 catches but made a BIG splash on s/t, returning 2 kicks for TDs and making a game sealing deep catch vs Seattle that year. (weiss as his best)

Dedric Ward picked up late in the year played in 4 games and managed 7 catches and a TD.

JJ Stokes  played in 2 games and caught 2 catches.

Larry Centers played in 9 games and had 19 catches and a TD.

So What I see is a very well rounded, talented team that spread the ball. I didnt see any 100 catch WRs. NO 1500 yard rushers. Just a game manager, handing off, passing to open guys and playing with a solid, aggressive defense that was full of playmakers who made plays in the clutch. So not only are our defenses worse than years past, Brady has had less to work with too. Guys just see Moss and Welker and their numbers but WHO was after them???  NOONE!  Glad I could clear that up. Anyone care to post the totals from 07 or this past year???  lol

Just a reminder. This years 3rd and 4th WRs were Slater and Aiken!!!  Lol and Edleman was the starter in week 1......  Wow...  You guys are funny!  Always making up stuff to support agendas and let you guys tell it, our offense wont even MOVE without Wes here....Bwaah-haaaaa-haaaa (evil count dracula voice)

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I don't recall falling in love with Chung either.  Me telling you inbreds to let the guy play before wanting him to be Rodney Harrison overnight as a 2nd rd pick, is a long way from "I love Pat Chung's play".

You're a terrible liar, which must be a real problem for you in real life.  Liars are losers.

Preheat that oven, Cupcake!

You are the king liar junior.

We all remember you championing Chung, crying about how good the D would be when he got back from his many injuries because he was so essential.

Truly I cannot recall any 3 posters put together on any board in my life that were as wrong as you are.

You are so wrong, so often, that if one were to say the exact opposite of what you say every time they would be one of the brightest posters around.

Face it junior. You absolutely totally suck at football analysis and have been wrong about almost everything you have ever said. That's amazing.... in a bad way.

You are without a doubt the worst football mind I have ever encountered anywhere, anytime.

This is hilarious!

I can recall rusty running around here defending Chung at every turn. Chung misses a tackle...here comes rusty!! No he didn't, what do you expect? The guy to make tackles? Chung takes a horrendous angle and looks like a lost division three nobody running around in the secondary...here comes rusty!! What do you expect? Chung is a "in the box safety"...Belichick is just using him wrong. If you put Chung in the box he is the enforcer we need - I mean yeah he's too small, gets hurt and can't match up physically with half the poeple he'd meet in the box, but you're all spoiled. Hey didn't you all see him shut down Antonio Gates all by himself...Gates did nothing and it was basically Chung all alone on him...Belichick trusts him...the warning were out people! Two days later it was learned Gates had a knee injury and was running around on one leg...he wouldn't play for the next 6 weeks.

So Rust, when exactly did you turn on Chung? Was when he spent another year injured and ineffective? Was it when he continued to NOT improve in pass defense? Was it his lack of size and physicality? Or was it when it was reported that he had checked out and quit on his teammates when Belichick put him where he belonged...on the bench.

Oh do tell Rusty...do tell! I can't wait to hear your football expertise again! LMAO!

LOL

I love how me saying this: a guy like Edelman could be every bit as effective as what Givens was on the flank

And somehow in Hurlie's small brain that equates to the world "equal to". Absolutely priceless.

Cannot be made up. Can't be.  We have a moron who clearly did not grduate high school looking for any way in to help defend his virtual lover, Tom Brady.

Check out the SB 46 thread. I just watch Chung decapitate Nicks on a sideline play holding the Giants to their second FG in last year's SB.   Great play.  Too Brady couldn't make one.  He's too busy moping on the sideline after coming out soft taking a Safety and ticked off for throwing the worst INT of his career so irresponsibly to a one legged TE.

Maybe if Brady didn't underperform again, Chung would have been in the Lombardi club going into this season? 

God forbid Chung plays well in 2010, played well in 2011 (when on the field), and I said into 2012 "Let's see what he does in 2012 before continuting to hammer Chung".

Funny how you do that on a thread that nails the problems with how Brady wants to run his offense why our own team wasn't back in the SB this year. How convenient.

You must have an alarm that goes off that makes you run from the kitchen to your computer away from those cupcakes to discover new ways to deflect from Brady's regression as a QB.

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I don't recall falling in love with Chung either.  Me telling you inbreds to let the guy play before wanting him to be Rodney Harrison overnight as a 2nd rd pick, is a long way from "I love Pat Chung's play".

You're a terrible liar, which must be a real problem for you in real life.  Liars are losers.

Preheat that oven, Cupcake!

You are the king liar junior.

We all remember you championing Chung, crying about how good the D would be when he got back from his many injuries because he was so essential.

Truly I cannot recall any 3 posters put together on any board in my life that were as wrong as you are.

You are so wrong, so often, that if one were to say the exact opposite of what you say every time they would be one of the brightest posters around.

Face it junior. You absolutely totally suck at football analysis and have been wrong about almost everything you have ever said. That's amazing.... in a bad way.

You are without a doubt the worst football mind I have ever encountered anywhere, anytime.

This is hilarious!

I can recall rusty running around here defending Chung at every turn. Chung misses a tackle...here comes rusty!! No he didn't, what do you expect? The guy to make tackles? Chung takes a horrendous angle and looks like a lost division three nobody running around in the secondary...here comes rusty!! What do you expect? Chung is a "in the box safety"...Belichick is just using him wrong. If you put Chung in the box he is the enforcer we need - I mean yeah he's too small, gets hurt and can't match up physically with half the poeple he'd meet in the box, but you're all spoiled. Hey didn't you all see him shut down Antonio Gates all by himself...Gates did nothing and it was basically Chung all alone on him...Belichick trusts him...the warning were out people! Two days later it was learned Gates had a knee injury and was running around on one leg...he wouldn't play for the next 6 weeks.

So Rust, when exactly did you turn on Chung? Was when he spent another year injured and ineffective? Was it when he continued to NOT improve in pass defense? Was it his lack of size and physicality? Or was it when it was reported that he had checked out and quit on his teammates when Belichick put him where he belonged...on the bench.

Oh do tell Rusty...do tell! I can't wait to hear your football expertise again! LMAO!

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In response to mthurl's comment:

I don't recall falling in love with Chung either.  Me telling you inbreds to let the guy play before wanting him to be Rodney Harrison overnight as a 2nd rd pick, is a long way from "I love Pat Chung's play".

You're a terrible liar, which must be a real problem for you in real life.  Liars are losers.

Preheat that oven, Cupcake!

You are the king liar junior.

We all remember you championing Chung, crying about how good the D would be when he got back from his many injuries because he was so essential.

Truly I cannot recall any 3 posters put together on any board in my life that were as wrong as you are.

You are so wrong, so often, that if one were to say the exact opposite of what you say every time they would be one of the brightest posters around.

Face it junior. You absolutely totally suck at football analysis and have been wrong about almost everything you have ever said. That's amazing.... in a bad way.

You are without a doubt the worst football mind I have ever encountered anywhere, anytime.

This is hilarious!

I can recall rusty running around here defending Chung at every turn. Chung misses a tackle...here comes rusty!! No he didn't, what do you expect? The guy to make tackles? Chung takes a horrendous angle and looks like a lost division three nobody running around in the secondary...here comes rusty!! What do you expect? Chung is a "in the box safety"...Belichick is just using him wrong. If you put Chung in the box he is the enforcer we need - I mean yeah he's too small, gets hurt and can't match up physically with half the poeple he'd meet in the box, but you're all spoiled. Hey didn't you all see him shut down Antonio Gates all by himself...Gates did nothing and it was basically Chung all alone on him...Belichick trusts him...the warning were out people! Two days later it was learned Gates had a knee injury and was running around on one leg...he wouldn't play for the next 6 weeks.

So Rust, when exactly did you turn on Chung? Was when he spent another year injured and ineffective? Was it when he continued to NOT improve in pass defense? Was it his lack of size and physicality? Or was it when it was reported that he had checked out and quit on his teammates when Belichick put him where he belonged...on the bench.

Oh do tell Rusty...do tell! I can't wait to hear your football expertise again! LMAO!

It's the same thing he always does. Remember he claimed Meriweather was the 2nd best safety in the AFC? Once BB cut the stiff after his rookie contract junior denied it all.

Same old lying SOS he has always been.

No, actually NO ONE remembers that because that's not what I said. You and a handful of trolls, use it as a way to gain leverage.

Hurlie just got caught above changing one word I used to shape it to how he wanted to try to mock me. But, it's right there in print, so lying won't work. 

I said "SOMEONE" thinks he's the 2nd bestSafety  because he backed up Weddle as a reserve two years in a row.  If you're being picked as a back up in a Pro Bowl, clearly you don't "stink".

Get it? Was he disappointing he didn't grow into the role more? Yes.

The fact is, if a Pats player anwyhere on a roster, eespecially on D isn't some All Pro, future HOFer, you and your diseased Brady loving contingent, focus on that player exclusively to distract from Brady's inferior play. You choose words for dramatic effect as well.  You get away with it because the media thrives on attacking BB as a GM and coach, especially from the defensive side.

This whole time, it's how it's been.   A defensive player doesn't cause an INT or a cause a fumble to make up for Brady's awful or mediocre play?  Scapegoat him!  String him up! lol

It doesn't matter if it's Meriweather in 2010, Chung in 2011 or Steve Gregory in 2012. The fact is, NONE of them were anywhere near as bad you claim.

I never said any of them were even good. In fact, I said each had flaws which I pointed to.

Brady could toss 3 INTs in a SB, the Pats could win, and you'd still act like he played well with the D not worth is salt. LMAO

You each have serious, serious mental issues thinking someone as bad or average as Brady has been, especially in AFC title games, is completely void of any criticism as you reach so desperately to focus on a player that isn't even on a Brady level.

It's moron speak.

The fact is, a guy like Edelman could be every bit as effective as what Givens was on the flank.

That the weapons Brady had back in his SB winning years were inferior to all the teams that have played since 2007???

I mean it gets so sickening listen to ignorant fans say "Brady didnt have any weapons then, Where was the # 1, there wasnt any deep threat,etc.  SHUT IT!!!!  Let me just focus on the 03' season where we got contributions from everywhere . Guys got hurt, others stepped up. The Ball was SPREAD around and we Absolutely had players to attack every part of the field. We had a Bruising RB in A.Smith, complimented by a Fb who could catch(centers) and a change of pace back who was clutch and could also catch out of backfield. Contrast that now to a one dimensional Slot player who cant outrun anyone or get deep and has linebackers covering him in Wes. A nice, big TE who is always hurt at the end of the year and a # WR in Lloyd who ONLY works the sideline and isnt clutch and a hybrid WR/TE in Hernandez who is always hurt and just started drinking legally...Not EVEN CLOSE! 

IN 2003, this TEAM WAS STACKED! 2007 aint SHIT compared to these guys... Rusty point to Givens being a 7th round pic and I say "so what" did he perform in the SB and in the Clutch or NOT??  He WAS PHYSICAL and worked ALL parts of the field

Deion Branch played in 15 games and led the team in Catches that year with 57!!! and 3 TD's  (Surely we need a 100 catch WR to win it all right???)

Kevin Faulk played in 15 games and was 2nd on the team with 48 catches

Troy Brown played in 12 games and had 38 catches and 4 TD's in a year that he started to be phased out due to younger players like Branch and Givens. Also was injured that year.

Daniel Graham played in 14 games and had 38 catches and 4 TD's while mainly being a run blocker and catching balls from playaction.

David Givens played in 13 games and had 34 catches and 6 TD's in a limited role before becoming full time starter in 04'. This is something we dont allow anymore. Raw WR's to develop in 2 years like David did, who came in as a RB and was playing CB one preseason to making plays in the SB. Now we just cut guys after a year if we dont like them. He had 56 catches the following year.

Christian Furia played in 16 games and had 28 catches and 2 TDs after totaling 7 the year before.

David Patten  played in only 6 games that year due to injury and had only 9 catches. The following year  he bounced back and had 44 catches for 800 yards and 7 TD's. This was our deep threat wether some care to admit or not. More reliable than Moss.

Bethel Johnson played in 15 games and had only 9 catches but made a BIG splash on s/t, returning 2 kicks for TDs and making a game sealing deep catch vs Seattle that year. (weiss as his best)

Dedric Ward picked up late in the year played in 4 games and managed 7 catches and a TD.

JJ Stokes  played in 2 games and caught 2 catches.

Larry Centers played in 9 games and had 19 catches and a TD.

So What I see is a very well rounded, talented team that spread the ball. I didnt see any 100 catch WRs. NO 1500 yard rushers. Just a game manager, handing off, passing to open guys and playing with a solid, aggressive defense that was full of playmakers who made plays in the clutch. So not only are our defenses worse than years past, Brady has had less to work with too. Guys just see Moss and Welker and their numbers but WHO was after them???  NOONE!  Glad I could clear that up. Anyone care to post the totals from 07 or this past year???  lol

Just a reminder. This years 3rd and 4th WRs were Slater and Aiken!!!  Lol and Edleman was the starter in week 1......  Wow...  You guys are funny!  Always making up stuff to support agendas and let you guys tell it, our offense wont even MOVE without Wes here....Bwaah-haaaaa-haaaa (evil count dracula voice)

"To all"?

What a sneaky liar.  No one said "all" receivers at Brady's disposal. But, Brady demanded an upgrade after 2006 and he got it, minus 2009's set of receivers.

But, 2001, 2002, 2003 and 2004's better than what he has now?

2007, Nope.

2010, Nope.

2011, Nope.

2012, Nope.

All of these supporting casts are superior in talent to the Wesi years talent. The difference was Weis called all plays and Brady had very little or no autonomy until after Weis left. That is the difference. That's the "misconception".

Every single non Pats fan drools over Welker, Moss, Hernandez, Gronk, etc.  When you're 4th WR in 2007 is Stallworth or your 4th or 5th option in 2011 is Branch and Ochocinco, yes, it'san embarrassment of riches.

The only defense of weak casts are 2006 and 2009.

That's it.

2003 and 2004 somehow trump his 2007, 2010, 2011 and 2012 casts?  That's 2 seasons to 4 by my count.

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IN 2003, this TEAM WAS STACKED! 2007 aint SHIT compared to these guys... Rusty point to Givens being a 7th round pic and I say "so what" did he perform in the SB and in the Clutch or NOT??  He WAS PHYSICAL and worked ALL parts of the field

Deion Branch played in 15 games and led the team in Catches that year with 57!!! and 3 TD's  (Surely we need a 100 catch WR to win it all right???)

Kevin Faulk played in 15 games and was 2nd on the team with 48 catches

Troy Brown played in 12 games and had 38 catches and 4 TD's in a year that he started to be phased out due to younger players like Branch and Givens. Also was injured that year.

Daniel Graham played in 14 games and had 38 catches and 4 TD's while mainly being a run blocker and catching balls from playaction.

David Givens played in 13 games and had 34 catches and 6 TD's in a limited role before becoming full time starter in 04'. This is something we dont allow anymore. Raw WR's to develop in 2 years like David did, who came in as a RB and was playing CB one preseason to making plays in the SB. Now we just cut guys after a year if we dont like them. He had 56 catches the following year.

Christian Furia played in 16 games and had 28 catches and 2 TDs after totaling 7 the year before.

David Patten  played in only 6 games that year due to injury and had only 9 catches. The following year  he bounced back and had 44 catches for 800 yards and 7 TD's. This was our deep threat wether some care to admit or not. More reliable than Moss.

Bethel Johnson played in 15 games and had only 9 catches but made a BIG splash on s/t, returning 2 kicks for TDs and making a game sealing deep catch vs Seattle that year. (weiss as his best)

Dedric Ward picked up late in the year played in 4 games and managed 7 catches and a TD.

JJ Stokes  played in 2 games and caught 2 catches.

Larry Centers played in 9 games and had 19 catches and a TD.

So What I see is a very well rounded, talented team that spread the ball. I didnt see any 100 catch WRs. NO 1500 yard rushers. Just a game manager, handing off, passing to open guys and playing with a solid, aggressive defense that was full of playmakers who made plays in the clutch. So not only are our defenses worse than years past, Brady has had less to work with too. Guys just see Moss and Welker and their numbers but WHO was after them???  NOONE!  Glad I could clear that up. Anyone care to post the totals from 07 or this past year???  lol

Just a reminder. This years 3rd and 4th WRs were Slater and Aiken!!!  Lol and Edleman was the starter in week 1......  Wow...  You guys are funny!  Always making up stuff to support agendas and let you guys tell it, our offense wont even MOVE without Wes here....Bwaah-haaaaa-haaaa (evil count dracula voice)

You are capable of post ing good stuff on this board but this is perhaps one of the most ridiculous posts on these boards, ever.

Tell me where any of those receivers from 2003 had any success outside of NWE. People outside of NWe would not even know who those are. Yes, even Troy Brown. Branch is known in Seattle... as a big bust. Fauria? I don't even remember where he went.

The 2007 cast:

Moss is a HoF receiver. He may not be the greates but is one of top 5 receivers. Every NFL fan knows Moss and it's not just becasue of his attitude. He's known for what he did on the field. 

Welker may not get in the HoF but he has HoF numbers. 

Stallworth had a better career before coming to NWE than anyone of the 2003 receivers had outside of NWE.

Gaffney had a better post-Patriots career than any of the 2003 receivers had outside of NWE.

Caldwell... well he ahd bigger eyes than any 2003 WR.

Heck ask any die hard NFL fan (it does not matter of what team), and they can tell you who were  the WRs on that team. Ask them to tell you who the WRs were in 2003. They may remember Brown if they were an OAK fan, or Branch maybe. Otherwise, I'd doubt they will even name one.

Everyone in that 2003 team was a mid-level guy who would not even be a #2 option outside of NWE. None of them I believe craacked being a #3. 

If you truly believe what you just wrote, nobody can help you. 

In response to RockScully's comment:

Why are you contradicting yourself?   Wes is still  more talented than Troy Brown in the slot role.

More evidence (as if we needed any) that you don't know the game junior.

Brown was much more the complete receiver that Wes is.

Welker is a one trick pony. He uses extreme quickness to get catches on 6-8 yard dink and dunk passes and then turns that same shifty quickness into 4-5 yac. That's it. Other than that gimmick he is a small target below average WR. It is a hell of a gimmick though.

Brown was much more effective in all roles other than that quickie stuff.