In response to Harvey-Wallbanger's comment:
In response to agcsbill's comment:
In response to Harvey-Wallbanger's comment:
In response to rkarp's comment:
I don't get the "if the Pats don't abandon the run" comment? The Pats will run the ball if the OL is opening lanes for positive yards. If the OL is being stuffed all day, and the RB's have no holes, then the Pats, thankfully, will abandon the run to win the game.
If you watch the SF/Panthers tape, the Panthers beat SF playing smash mouth. IMO, there is no way the Pats can beat the Panthers playing physical.
1) Establish the run, which will give TB time to throw
2) The Panthers cannot match up with the Pats TE and 3 WR's assuming TB has time
3) Dont turn the ball over. Make the Panthers go 80 plus yards to score allowing chances for turn overs
4) Score early making the Panthers abandon the run
5) Cam will turn the ball over if throwing. Pressure Cam and put him down when given the chance. He is a very big Qb, but he must be contained in the pocket and forced to throw
But it's WHEN they give up on the run. If they aren't getting some positive yards, do they abandon it by halftime? My point is, DO NOT do it if the game is close and low scoring.
That's the point.
There have been numerous times where we are up 10-7, down 14-10, up 13-7 at the half, etc, and we simply ignore it in the 2nd half and then we lose.
I can name probably 2 dozen games like this since 2007 when it became more obsessive to pass our way through a good front 7 vs keeping them honest.
Running the ball is an attitude and about playcalling creativity. It must be done through all 4 qtrs, unless of course it's like the game vs SF last year when you get way behind.
I disagree with this concept that our team isn't physical. I think that is bogus. We can play smash mouth if we want to. The key is the "want" part of it.
Agree on setting the edge, bottling Newton and probably seeing a spy on him so he doesn't slither through the line. Pats are usually VERY good at this kind of a gameplan whether it be Vick, Roethlisberger, etc.
Stick Talib on Smith, Dennard on LaFell and they should be just fine mixing man and zone on Newton to confuse him at some point.
I also do not feel Carolina's O Line is that great, which people seem to be ignoring.
Rusty.. this is YOUR opinion, which is fine, and as a result, no matter when the Pats "give up the run", it appears you are never satisfied. So, "in your opinion", if the PASSING game is working like a charm, for the Pats to continue passing is being "obessive", but, when the running game is NOT working, you call it giving up. Isn't the goal of the team to do what is WORKING in order to win? Hitting ones head against the wall, which is what you appear to want the team to do with the running game, does not have to be the case every week. Again, the Pats won't win style points in your eyes just about ever!
There is no debating that McDaniels and Brady are infamous for quickly abandoning the run when it's not a great rushing attack in games, thinking they can score more points quicker by just throwing.
We've lost SBs, playoff games, regular season games in low scoring games that way many times.
This is not debatable anymore. A 3 yard gain on average still works clock and keeps the D honest, which helps your run game and the possibiility of a playaction play to work to perfection, possibly for a drive ending TD.
I have no idea how anyone can debate this element.
Since 2007. there has been this obsession with chomping at the bit to throw and throw some more in close games against good front 7s and it's backfired EVERY time unless the D has 2 turnovers or more and plays lights out to bail out that failed appoach on offense.
I will wager you or anyone right now on this game with these elements tied into it.
If Brady throws more than 35 times, we'll lose. If he throws less than 35 times, we'll win.
You know Rusty, unless you are on that sideline and have insight into what McD, BB and TB are thinking, how do you REALLY know what their mindset is in the playcalling? Every play called by every NFL team in every game has an expectation it will work when executed properly. I am certain there are games you have seen in which you were blown away by what kept working when you are thinking the team needs to change it up a bit. I do agree, it is aggravating to see the team go away from things that are working or, worse, yet, keep plugging away at what is not working.
As for the bet... alas I am not a betting person, never have. The Pats have won games when Brady throws more than 35 times and they have lost games. Like betting heads or tails. The ball will bounce as it will and we have seen it plenty across the NFL this season.
I'll leave it this way: The team is trying to win every single game not to satisfy the fans with "how" they win, but just win the game. They don't award TDs on style alone!