College Athletes Players Association

  1. You have chosen to ignore posts from palookaski. Show palookaski's posts

    College Athletes Players Association

    This came out about a week ago. Perhaps a good time to discuss this event, in which became a legal decision from the Chicago district of the National Labor Relations Board.

    http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/10677763/northwestern-wildcats-football-players-win-bid-unionize

    Excerpt follows:

    In a potentially game-changing moment for college athletics, the Chicago district of the National Labor Relations Board ruled on Wednesday that Northwestern football players qualify as employees of the university and can unionize.

    NLRB regional director Peter Sung Ohr cited the players' time commitment to their sport and the fact that their scholarships were tied directly to their performance on the field as reasons for granting them union rights.

    Ohr wrote in his ruling that the players "fall squarely within the [National Labor Relations] Act's broad definition of 'employee' when one considers the common law definition of 'employee.'"

    Ohr ruled that the players can hold a vote on whether they want to be represented by the College Athletes Players Association, which brought the case to the NLRB along with former Wildcats quarterback Kain Colter and the United Steelworkers union.

    "The NCAA invented the term student-athlete to prevent the exact ruling that was made today. For 60 years, people have bought into the notion that they are students only. The reality is players are employees, and today's ruling confirms that. The players are one giant step closer to justice."

    Northwestern issued a statement shortly after the ruling saying it would appeal to the full NLRB in

    Washington, D.C.

    "While we respect the NLRB process and the regional director's opinion, we disagree with it," the statement read. "Northwestern believes strongly that our student-athletes are not employees, but students. Unionization and collective bargaining are not the appropriate methods to address the concerns raised by student-athletes."

    The Big Ten also disagreed with the ruling and released a statement that read: "While we respect the process followed by the National Labor Relations Board, we disagree with the ruling. We don't believe that student-athletes are university employees. The issues raised during the hearings are already being discussed at the national level, and we believe that students should be a part of the conversation."

    It was a sentiment shared by all of the big NCAA conferences, including the SEC.

    "Notwithstanding today's decision, the SEC does not believe that full time students participating in intercollegiate athletics are employees of the universities they attend," Michael Slive, the SEC commissioner, said in a written statement.

    In its endeavor to have the players recognized as essential workers, CAPA likened scholarships to employment pay -- too little pay from its point of view. Northwestern balked at that claim, describing scholarship as grants.

    Giving college athletes employee status and allowing them to unionize, critics have argued, could hurt college sports in numerous ways -- including by raising the prospects of strikes by disgruntled players or lockouts by athletic departments.

    The NCAA has been under increasing scrutiny over its amateurism rules and is fighting a class-action federal lawsuit by former players seeking a cut of the billions of dollars generated from live broadcasts, memorabilia sales and video games. Other lawsuits allege that the NCAA failed to protect players from debilitating head injuries.

    NCAA president Mark Emmert has pushed for a $2,000-per-player stipend to help athletes defray some of their expenses. Critics say that isn't nearly enough, considering that players help bring in millions of dollars to their schools and conferences.

    CAPA's specific goals include guaranteeing coverage of sports-related medical expenses for current and former players, ensuring better procedures to reduce head injuries and potentially letting players pursue commercial sponsorships.

    For now, the push is to unionize athletes at private schools, such as Northwestern, because the federal labor agency does not have jurisdiction over public universities.
    /excerpt

     

     

     

     
  2. You have chosen to ignore posts from mellymel3. Show mellymel3's posts

    Re: College Athletes Players Association

    In response to palookaski's comment:
    [QUOTE]

    This came out about a week ago. Perhaps a good time to discuss this event, in which became a legal decision from the Chicago district of the National Labor Relations Board.

    http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/10677763/northwestern-wildcats-football-players-win-bid-unionize

    Excerpt follows:

    In a potentially game-changing moment for college athletics, the Chicago district of the National Labor Relations Board ruled on Wednesday that Northwestern football players qualify as employees of the university and can unionize.

    NLRB regional director Peter Sung Ohr cited the players' time commitment to their sport and the fact that their scholarships were tied directly to their performance on the field as reasons for granting them union rights.

    Ohr wrote in his ruling that the players "fall squarely within the [National Labor Relations] Act's broad definition of 'employee' when one considers the common law definition of 'employee.'"

    Ohr ruled that the players can hold a vote on whether they want to be represented by the College Athletes Players Association, which brought the case to the NLRB along with former Wildcats quarterback Kain Colter and the United Steelworkers union.

    "The NCAA invented the term student-athlete to prevent the exact ruling that was made today. For 60 years, people have bought into the notion that they are students only. The reality is players are employees, and today's ruling confirms that. The players are one giant step closer to justice."

    Northwestern issued a statement shortly after the ruling saying it would appeal to the full NLRB in

    Washington, D.C.

    "While we respect the NLRB process and the regional director's opinion, we disagree with it," the statement read. "Northwestern believes strongly that our student-athletes are not employees, but students. Unionization and collective bargaining are not the appropriate methods to address the concerns raised by student-athletes."

    The Big Ten also disagreed with the ruling and released a statement that read: "While we respect the process followed by the National Labor Relations Board, we disagree with the ruling. We don't believe that student-athletes are university employees. The issues raised during the hearings are already being discussed at the national level, and we believe that students should be a part of the conversation."

    It was a sentiment shared by all of the big NCAA conferences, including the SEC.

    "Notwithstanding today's decision, the SEC does not believe that full time students participating in intercollegiate athletics are employees of the universities they attend," Michael Slive, the SEC commissioner, said in a written statement.

    In its endeavor to have the players recognized as essential workers, CAPA likened scholarships to employment pay -- too little pay from its point of view. Northwestern balked at that claim, describing scholarship as grants.

    Giving college athletes employee status and allowing them to unionize, critics have argued, could hurt college sports in numerous ways -- including by raising the prospects of strikes by disgruntled players or lockouts by athletic departments.

    The NCAA has been under increasing scrutiny over its amateurism rules and is fighting a class-action federal lawsuit by former players seeking a cut of the billions of dollars generated from live broadcasts, memorabilia sales and video games. Other lawsuits allege that the NCAA failed to protect players from debilitating head injuries.

    NCAA president Mark Emmert has pushed for a $2,000-per-player stipend to help athletes defray some of their expenses. Critics say that isn't nearly enough, considering that players help bring in millions of dollars to their schools and conferences.

    CAPA's specific goals include guaranteeing coverage of sports-related medical expenses for current and former players, ensuring better procedures to reduce head injuries and potentially letting players pursue commercial sponsorships.

    For now, the push is to unionize athletes at private schools, such as Northwestern, because the federal labor agency does not have jurisdiction over public universities.
    /excerpt

     

     

     

    [/QUOTE]

    It's about time...the schools and the ncaa rake in billions...the kids should get a cut....give them enough to make ends meet when they're at school...it's only fair...

     
  3. You have chosen to ignore posts from palookaski. Show palookaski's posts

    Re: College Athletes Players Association

    In response to mellymel3's comment:
    [QUOTE]


    It's about time...the schools and the ncaa rake in billions...the kids should get a cut....give them enough to make ends meet when they're at school...it's only fair...

    [/QUOTE]

    That's my feeling as well, Mell. And, some of those coaches rake in more $$ than NFL Coaches. A stipend of some sort should be granted the athletes.

     

     
  4. You have chosen to ignore posts from DougIrwin. Show DougIrwin's posts

    Re: College Athletes Players Association

    This is a disaster in the making and not a resolution/answer to the problem whatsoever.

    What needs to happen is a program where some of the revenue is channeled back into to community and college tuition also reduced.

    These athletes already get free everything. It's utterly preposterous to pay amateur athletes on top of that when being given a free college education.

    I agree the NCAA is a racket and is taking not only students for a ride, taxpayers, customers, etc, but that's absolutely not the answer in any way, shape or form.

    The opposite of a problem is never the solution. Communism taught us that.

     
  5. You have chosen to ignore posts from palookaski. Show palookaski's posts

    Re: College Athletes Players Association

    A good move by the NFL would be to pay all the athletes for attending the Combine, going through physical, mental tests and personal interviews. Working out for them at Pro Days on Campus. Afterall, they pay them for flights and dinner when visiting NFL facilities.

     

     
  6. You have chosen to ignore posts from palookaski. Show palookaski's posts

    Re: College Athletes Players Association

    In response to DougIrwin's comment:

    This is a disaster in the making and not a resolution/answer to the problem whatsoever.

    What needs to happen is a program where some of the revenue is channeled back into to community and college tuition also reduced.

    These athletes already get free everything. It's utterly preposterous to pay amateur athletes on top of that when being given a free college education.

    I agree the NCAA is a racket and is taking not only students for a ride, taxpayers, customers, etc, but that's absolutely not the answer in any way, shape or form.

    The opposite of a problem is never the solution. Communism taught us that.



    Russ, most States already do that. For example; if a student -any student- achieves a 3.8 GPA in HS, then they are given free tuition and board for a College education. That is Public Universities and Colleges.

     

     

     
  7. You have chosen to ignore posts from DougIrwin. Show DougIrwin's posts

    Re: College Athletes Players Association

    In response to palookaski's comment:

    In response to DougIrwin's comment:

    [QUOTE]

     

    This is a disaster in the making and not a resolution/answer to the problem whatsoever.

    What needs to happen is a program where some of the revenue is channeled back into to community and college tuition also reduced.

    These athletes already get free everything. It's utterly preposterous to pay amateur athletes on top of that when being given a free college education.

    I agree the NCAA is a racket and is taking not only students for a ride, taxpayers, customers, etc, but that's absolutely not the answer in any way, shape or form.

    The opposite of a problem is never the solution. Communism taught us that.

     



    Russ, most States already do that. For example; if a student -any student- achieves a 3.8 GPA in HS, then they are given free tuition and board for a College education. That is Public Universities and Colleges.

     

     

     

    [/QUOTE]

    That isn't what I mean. What I mean is, the university builds a baseball field or fields or whatever is needed in that town where the student/athlete is from. It might even be a salary raise for teachers in that town across the board with a good job they are doing.

    It might be funding for a pool, a tennis court, a theater, a convention center, whatever....

    We have a real problem here and it starts by rooting out the crooks in charge of the NCAA, but not feeding the entitlement aspect of these athletes, most of whom don't even go to class, take tests, have legit majors or earn a degree. That's on top of being given a free ride.

    The agents profit from this and they are also a major problem. We need regulations and need em quick.

    In Oyster Bay, Teddy Roosevelt rolls over in his grave.

    I've been all over this for years.  Sandusky, the BCS, the agents, NCAABB players declaring early, etc...All of this is tied to it.  It would be a disaster for the country to lose focus on why these kids go to college in the first place.

     
  8. You have chosen to ignore posts from Philskiw1. Show Philskiw1's posts

    Re: College Athletes Players Association

    Then when the unions steal their money thru union dues and use it for political donations it won't be so great. What will the union do for them? Will it set aside money for their retirement? Will it have a health plan for them?  Will it make them strike cause a right to work state school doesn't want to join? Will it mandate that all college athletes join the union?  

    Sure these guys should get paid but a Chicago union isn't the answer IMO. 

     
  9. You have chosen to ignore posts from mellymel3. Show mellymel3's posts

    Re: College Athletes Players Association

    In response to Philskiw1's comment:
    [QUOTE]

    Then when the unions steal their money thru union dues and use it for political donations it won't be so great. What will the union do for them? Will it set aside money for their retirement? Will it have a health plan for them?  Will it make them strike cause a right to work state school doesn't want to join? Will it mandate that all college athletes join the union?  

    Sure these guys should get paid but a Chicago union isn't the answer IMO. 

    [/QUOTE]

    They have to use the threat of unionizing because the pigs at the NCAA are robbing them blind...if a kid has a college jersey with his name on the back for sale at the University Bookstore that kid should get a cut..and all of them should get enough to make ends meet...if that was the case, there'd be no need for a union...the ncaa is just another big business trying to rip off their money producers...it's not right

     
  10. You have chosen to ignore posts from Philskiw1. Show Philskiw1's posts

    Re: College Athletes Players Association

    In response to mellymel3's comment:
    [QUOTE]

    In response to Philskiw1's comment:
    [QUOTE]

    Then when the unions steal their money thru union dues and use it for political donations it won't be so great. What will the union do for them? Will it set aside money for their retirement? Will it have a health plan for them?  Will it make them strike cause a right to work state school doesn't want to join? Will it mandate that all college athletes join the union?  

    Sure these guys should get paid but a Chicago union isn't the answer IMO. 

    [/QUOTE]

    They have to use the threat of unionizing because the pigs at the NCAA are robbing them blind...if a kid has a college jersey with his name on the back for sale at the University Bookstore that kid should get a cut..and all of them should get enough to make ends meet...if that was the case, there'd be no need for a union...the ncaa is just another big business trying to rip off their money producers...it's not right

    [/QUOTE]

    I'm with you there but a union will screw mandated would the government screw it up worse?  Probably. They can't even do motor vehicles. This is going to be a mess. 

     
  11. You have chosen to ignore posts from tcal2-. Show tcal2-'s posts

    Re: College Athletes Players Association

    In response to Philskiw1's comment:

    Then when the unions steal their money thru union dues and use it for political donations it won't be so great. What will the union do for them? Will it set aside money for their retirement? Will it have a health plan for them?  Will it make them strike cause a right to work state school doesn't want to join? Will it mandate that all college athletes join the union?  

    Sure these guys should get paid but a Chicago union isn't the answer IMO. 



    Just another avenue for scum bag lawyers, agents and Union bosses (Mob) to get rich. 

     
  12. You have chosen to ignore posts from palookaski. Show palookaski's posts

    Re: College Athletes Players Association

    Thanks for the good comments.

    Another thing is the ruling is already being appealed and could go as far as the U.S. Supreme Court. In short, it could take years before there is a definitive decision. I may be wrong but I don't think the USSC calls witnesses but just rules on legality.

    That ruling would then affect all the Universities - Independent or Publicly funded.

    I'm with Rusty, where he mentions "it starts by rooting out the crooks in charge of the NCAA". The billions made by the NCAA from ticket sales, TV broadcasts, extra Bowl Games and clothing with Athletes names, where is it all going?

    Maybe some States (politicians) will call the Public Universities to thier own State -SJC - and pony up to an audit to finally see where all that money is really spent. The Student Athletes do have a case but a Union as Phil says "but a Chicago union isn't the answer IMO".

    This will all take time but something by revelation of an audit is a good start. That would by all means carry over to other Universities as common practice as subjucation reveals some truths. Yikes!?!

    Keep up your good work (all) in this 'downtime' until the Draft ......

     

     

     
  13. You have chosen to ignore posts from palookaski. Show palookaski's posts

    Re: College Athletes Players Association

    In response to tcal2-'s comment:
    [QUOTE]

    In response to Philskiw1's comment:
    [QUOTE]

    Then when the unions steal their money thru union dues and use it for political donations it won't be so great. What will the union do for them? Will it set aside money for their retirement? Will it have a health plan for them?  Will it make them strike cause a right to work state school doesn't want to join? Will it mandate that all college athletes join the union?  

    Sure these guys should get paid but a Chicago union isn't the answer IMO. 

    [/QUOTE]

    Just another avenue for scum bag lawyers and Union bosses (Mob) to get rich. 

    [/QUOTE]

    Sadly, that is another problem. All it takes is one trial case won by a Student Athletes failing health to set that in motion, big time.

     

     

     
  14. You have chosen to ignore posts from garytx. Show garytx's posts

    Re: College Athletes Players Association

    If you pay the football program you've gotta pay the other sports as well.  Then you have to look at smaller schools and what it does to them.  It'll shutdown sports programs country wide.  It's a problem that doesn't have an easy solution.

     
  15. You have chosen to ignore posts from PatsEng. Show PatsEng's posts

    Re: College Athletes Players Association


    I swear by lil 10 pound bearded baby Jesus
     
  16. You have chosen to ignore posts from PatsEng. Show PatsEng's posts

    Re: College Athletes Players Association

     
  17. You have chosen to ignore posts from portfolio1. Show portfolio1's posts

    Re: College Athletes Players Association


     
  18. You have chosen to ignore posts from rkarp. Show rkarp's posts

    Re: College Athletes Players Association


     
  19. You have chosen to ignore posts from seattlepat70. Show seattlepat70's posts

    Re: College Athletes Players Association


     
  20. You have chosen to ignore posts from seattlepat70. Show seattlepat70's posts

    Re: College Athletes Players Association


     
  21. You have chosen to ignore posts from TheTinMan. Show TheTinMan's posts

    Re: College Athletes Players Association

    In response to garytx's comment:
    [QUOTE]


    If you pay the football program you've gotta pay the other sports as well.  Then you have to look at smaller schools and what it does to them.  It'll shutdown sports programs country wide.  It's a problem that doesn't have an easy solution.


    [/QUOTE]

    Very true.  How long will a Union even last here when the players from the sports that really rake in the $$ realize they have to split the revenues with people on the fencing team?  Does everyone get "paid" the same?  Will college recruiting become like free agency?

     
  22. You have chosen to ignore posts from joepatsfan111111. Show joepatsfan111111's posts

    Re: College Athletes Players Association

     
  23. You have chosen to ignore posts from PatsEng. Show PatsEng's posts

    Re: College Athletes Players Association


    I swear by lil 10 pound bearded baby Jesus
     
  24. You have chosen to ignore posts from Philskiw1. Show Philskiw1's posts

    Re: College Athletes Players Association


     


     


    Now you got the easy part done telling me about it.


    Does that handshaped bruise on your back hurt?

     
  25. You have chosen to ignore posts from BabeParilli. Show BabeParilli's posts

    Re: College Athletes Players Association

     
Sections
Shortcuts

Share