Re: Colts' Manning undergoes 2nd neck surgery Since Feb 2010. Beginning of the end?
posted at 6/6/2011 10:13 AM EDT
In Response to Re: Colts' Manning undergoes 2nd neck surgery Since Feb 2010. Beginning of the end?
[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Colts' Manning undergoes 2nd neck surgery Since Feb 2010. Beginning of the end? : Well, he did overtake him. That's the key. And this despite an injury many guys never come back from. And again you ignore the venue. Brady's passer rating is nearly 4 points better outdoors (and in worse weather when he is outdoors than Manning) and is nearly 5 points better indoors. Brady's 111-32 record is quite better than Manning's 141-67. As is his 14-5 playoff record compared to Manning's 9-9. As far as MVP Manning has a tie (let's give him 1/2, and 3 others, one VERY dubious) and Brady has a comeback of the year award and a sportsman of the year award (the one no NFL player had gotten since Montana). Plus Brady has 2 SBMVPs to Manning's one. Oh, and there is Brady's only time ever unanimous MVP. And then of course there are the 3 SB rings to one. It's not very close, Brady wins. You are rather desparately clinging to the votes of writers to carry your case that Manning is better, at the expense of all other measures most persons consider. (And the dink and dunk comment is just spin. Their career Y/A is within just about 12" of each other, their average per completion, less than that.)
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Babe, but he's got a worse rating than Manning in the postseason, which is supposedly (according to many here) where Brady separates himself from Manning. How does that happen?
As for the injury. I disagree. I've had both of my acl's reconstructed in my early 20's and played basketball on them for 15 years after. The docs have known how to repair these ligments for the last 25 years. What has come a long way is how to rehab the repaired knee. I do give Brady credit for having the drive to do the rehab and get back. Some don't put the time in, and that is when the repaired knee does not return to 95-100%.
I am not sure how Brady's ratings indoors and outdoors could be 5 and 4 points higher than Manning when his overall Reg Season rating is only .3 pts better. That math doesn't work.
Now, when you start using team records to explain Brady's greatness, that's where I have a problem. Again, Brady had the benefit of a legendary defense, during the superbowl run - Manning, not. Some credit has to be given to the other side of the ball, and even the kicker for the team's success.
Finally, I don't give any credence to a comment that something Manning has earned is dubious, that's fandom speaking - especially when you criticize me for using the same writer awards that you trumpet when praising Brady. Manning has 4 MVP's to Brady's 2. He has 5 - 1st Team All-Pro Selections and 3 - 2nd team All-Pro selections to Brady's 2 1st team All Pro Selections. That is a flat out ridiculous difference. Manning was also selected in 2005 as the Walter Payton NFL Man of the Year.
The one thing I want to be clear about is that although I believe Manning is better, that doesn't make Brady bad. These guys are the best in the game and have been over the past decade.