Well then, I guess you only listen to what you want to.  By the way, what 5 yard routes aren't timing routes?  Manning's ball was 3 yards to the right of Wayne who ran a 5 yd hook instead of a slant.  Porter didn't need to "jump" the route, the ball basically was thrown to him.

RESPONSE: More excuses...LOL!!!
No Response at all.  I'll take that as you agree. 

Take off the pats glasses TP, there's a whole other world out there.
 
RESPONSE: I've read plenty of articles on the Manning SB choke...and have posted them to back-up my contentions. Where are your articles which tend to exculpate Manning, as you have suggested?
I didn't say articles.  I said insiders in the know. 

We also know manning owns up to his mistakes.
 
RESPONSE: Join us in the real world, Dog(gggg)...LOL!!! When has ol' Horseface ever owned up to anything? Why should he, when he has excuse makers like you, Polian, and in the media working for him? Please name one of his many playoff chokes in which he hasn't used some excuse to explain his failings?
Ridiculous.  I'll be happy to. 

RESPONSE: Sure he does.  Annual?

RESPONSE: Save for 2006, it's been annual. Every time the Colts lose in the playoffs, it's never Manning's fault. Why can't the guy be a man, and own up to his failings? Instead, he blames the weather, physical play, offensive line malfunctions, etc..  
Apparently you've been duped by the defense and kicker led pats of the past.  Lets see - whether - Manning won the SB in the worst SB weather in recent memory.  Physical play - Manning has faced and beaten many of the best defenses in the past 4 years.  Pats, Ravens, Bears.  He did mention offensive line probs once. 

Should Manning have also caught the ball that Kenton Keith dropped near the goal line against SD in 2007 resulting in an int?  Maybe Manning should have run back Scifres punts in 08 or played LB and stopped Sproles.
 
RESPONSE: Manning didn't play well in that loss. The referees tried every way possible to give Indy the game, and protect Peyton. Remember the Cromartie pick-6 that was called back? In 2008, Manning couldn't lead his offense to score more than 17 points...and choked in the 4th quarter.  
Really??  Manning was 33/48 for 400+ yds and a TD with no run support.  I'll ask again, did you expect Manning to also catch the ball he threw to Keith?  The Cromartie pick 6 was a last play of the half hail mary with a penalty.  I know you don't believe in penalties.  Your team gets away with them, like the 70 yd welker return last year v the colts with the holding on the return but no call.  If you actually knew what you were talking about you might have some credibility.  But then again, you are a fan of the WWE, we can't expect much.

Silly or true?  Everyone on this board thought Mankins was one of the 3 best guards in the league, that is until he called out his owner for playing games.

RESPONSE:  Again, a feeble attempt to change the topic. The Pats' offered him $7mil. a year, while the best guard in the game got paid 8mil. per year. How is it that Kraft "lied" to Mankins about addressing his contract in the off-season, when he made Mankins a creditable offer? The only one "playing games" with this BS is you.  
Again, nope - just a valid comparison.  Its what we were originally talking about, not manning.  Do you know the pats offered him $7 mill per year?  It was only reported.  Was the report corroborated?  What was the signing bonus?  What was the 5 years structure?  You and I both know well enough that with a poor structure, the pats could have offered him $100 million and it would not have mattered. 

The point is, every team has issues.

RESPONSE I won't let you switch the topic...which is Manning's chokes, and Polian covering up for him by throwing his OL under the bus.
This thread actually had nothing at all to do with Manning's chokes, but everything to do with organizational issues with the offensive line, which the pats also have.  I am more on topic than you.  Come on Pat you can do better than that.  Wait, you're a fan of the WWE.  I rescind my last sentence. 

Polian's criticism of the play of his line may bother the players some, but they are in camp.  On the other hand, Mankins is still under contract and could/should be in camp, but he feels as if he has been played the fool by his org.  Which would you rather have a publicly critical org head or a deceitful quiet one?

RESPONSE: Apples and oranges. I do not accept your premise that Kraft has been deceitful in any way. As I stated previously, there's been plenty of articles and information on the Mankins' contract matter to show that your claims about Kraft are a flat out lie. All Kraft promised was that Mankins' contract issues would be addressed by the team this off-season. They were...and a fair offer was made for his services. Why should the Patriots match an offer made to the best OG in the game, when Mankins is not the best OG in the game? Polian "a publicly critical organized head"?? How about an unethical, deceitful, organized head? Just ask Jeff Saturday, Ryan Diem, and Charley Johnson.  
Not as it relates to organizational issues our respective teams' offensive lines have.  I don't know if Kraft has been deceitful, but Mankins has inferred that he is by saying one thing then doing another.  Mankins has never given reason to suggest he's not honest, so either he is lying or Kraft is deceitful.  I side with Mankins.  Again, you have no idea whether or not a fair offer was made.  If you have proof otherwise, then share it.  Who said they had to match the other guard's offer?  You are just speculating. 

Not changing the topic.  It goes along with the comment above that you chose to break apart.

RESPONSE: LOL!! Yeah, right. You're getting as good at excuse making as Peyton.
Wrong again - you are just poor at keeping my single thoughts together as one. 

So I should rely on the information of fans rather than the information from the injured party?

RESPONSE Well...you choose to rely on how you feel about Peyton and Polian, rather than accept the words of Jeff Saturday, Ryan, Diem, Charlie Johnson, and Reggie Wayne...all who refute fault for the SB loss.  Mankins is the "injured party" in his own mind. Information has been set forth as to the value of the contract offered...and has been compared with the Evans' deal. If you feel that Mankins' is the "injured party", please explain why?  
What?  You didn't answer the question.  Answer the question.  You can't compare Mankins offer and Evans contract without the structure which is ironically missing from the report.  If the reported offer did come from the team, you tell me why you think they didn't supply the guarantee or structure?  Could it be because they were substandard and would validate Mankins' statement?  

Give me one viable reason why Mankins should not be taken at his word?

RESPONSE: LOL!!! Let me repeat...he was offered a 5 year, $35mil. deal. The best guard in the game, who just helped win a SB, and who is two years younger, was given a contract worth $1mil. more per year, and two years longer. Where's the unfairness? Please explain. 
5 and 35.  What's the structure?  If the structure is no signing bonus and $1 mill for the first 4 years and $31 mill for the last year with no guarantee, is that a fair deal?  If the reported offer came from the team, how come they didn't provide the guarantee or structure?  Could they be hiding something? 

Has he ever publicly said something prior to this to cause you or anyone else to question his integrity?

RESPONSE: What does that have to do with the above discussed issue? he guy feels that he hasn't been treated fairly. You say that you agree with him. Please explain why?
It indicates whether or not his issue is credible.  Bruschi seems to take him at his word.  Everyone in pats land loves Bruschi. 

Have either the team or Mankins (or his reps) said exactly what the offer was or has the information come through "sources"?  Even if correct, as has been pointed out here dozens of times, the simple terms 5 and $35 are meaningless without structure.  You've admitted such.

RESPONSE: Isn't it odd that the Mankins' camp has said nothing in response to the Pats' making public the terms of their offer? If the amount of the $35mil. guaranteed is so egregiously low, why hasn't Mankins or his agent said so?  Or...could it be that Mankins' ego is getting in the way of this process Could it be that he thinks that he's really as good or better than Evans? Could it be that the problem lies there? 
Did the pats make this public or did a "source inside the org" leak it?  Who in the pats org said the offer was 5 and 35?  And what is the structure?  where did you get that the 35 was guaranteed?  You are just making that up aren't you?  Until proven otherwise, and you certainly have fallen way short, at this juncture, I am willing to take Mankins at his word.

RESPONSE: But of course...you are a troll.
I guess that is another word for independent and objective thinker. 

I think you likely do too, you just are not willing to admit it publicly.  The pats played Mankins.

RESPONSE: Change the topic all you like. The bottom line is  that Peyton Manning is a proven choke artist...Bill Polian lied about the play of his OL in a feeble, transparent attempt to excuse Peyton's latest choke, and protect Peyton's fragile ego, and legacy, ...and you have once again demonstrated why you have no credibility here.
This has nothing to do with Manning.  That's your bag.  It makes you feel better about your recent pats failures.  05- Brady choke with 2 ints vs. Den; 06 - Brady's 4th Q int choke v Indy (funny when Brady has to deliver a TD it doesn't happen, isn't it) 07 - Brady's biggest choke of his career - "is Plax going to play defense"  ack.  09 - a 3 int stinker from Brady at home v the Ravens. 

This is about the colts oline being called out by polian but still showing up for work which is better than can be said for the pats oline.