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    Baron - of course you know that this rule wasn't instituted in 2004 but rather in 1978.  Why they stopped calling it is anyone's guess.
     
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    Baron - of course you know that this rule wasn't instituted in 2004 but rather in 1978.  Why they stopped calling it is anyone's guess.
    Posted by underdoggggg


    Just as you know that they didn't, in fact, "stop calling it." They simply didn't call it enough to suit a team that could only succeed under the flag football mentality emphasized specifically for them and continuing to sissify the league to this day.


     
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    Here is the reason Tom Brady will always be a couple of steps in front of Peyton in class and superbowls, Tom could have complained bigtime about the lack of time he had in the pocket in the SB in 08 but of course said nothing because the Pats win as a team a lose as a team but Peyton has everyone to blame for a lose but himself! Pathetic in my book.
     
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    Dear Dogazzzzz..... I'd much rather be a BEEEUUUTEEFUL Apeface than an ugly dogazzz like you... And Master Hoddie and the Pats were punished severly for their transgression...you just cannot let go...it's speaks volumes for what must pass as a real life in Indiana, where the corn is yeller and and the sheets are white and Christian and crosses are burned by cowards in the night...and the GM is a Putz on cleats
    Posted by jfaust1954

    Generally apefaces also possess apeazzzes, and their ain't much uglier than that.  Know what I mean?

    Listen, I think life here in Indiana is generally the same as everywhere else.  White sheets usually make fairly common bedding.  Corn is generally yellow regardless of geography.  did you know the Indians called it Maize?  Christianity is the defacto religion of the US.  As for burning crosses, that's some bad old Indiana history.  Its bad history for many areas in the US, not just Indiana.  As an "enlightened" Bostonian (I assume), you must be well aware of all of this given Boston's own checkered history regarding race relations.  Heck, even the most "enlightened" man in America, Keith Olberman, has recently suggested that all of Massachusetts is racist.  Ouch.
     
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    In Response to Re: Colts' OL Rebuffs Polian : Just as you know that they didn't, in fact, "stop calling it." They simply didn't call it enough to suit a team that could only succeed under the flag football mentality emphasized specifically for them and continuing to sissify the league to this day.
    Posted by p-mike


    Either that or, it was simply a specific strategy that was employed by the pats (which has been well documented that it was), that they managed to get away with.  And kudos to them for that.  

    But why have rules if they are not going to be enforced?  Is there something wrong with using rules to one's advantage?  Is there an issue with setting up a team to succeed within the rules that are on the books?  Is there an issue with suggesting that rules be followed or penalized?  Why is it that Pats fans have so many issues with rules? 

    Use whatever name calling you wish to make you feel better, the truth is that Polian is one man with one voice.  That others agreed with his suggestion means he must have had a valid point.
     
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    Here is the reason Tom Brady will always be a couple of steps in front of Peyton in class and superbowls, Tom could have complained bigtime about the lack of time he had in the pocket in the SB in 08 but of course said nothing because the Pats win as a team a lose as a team but Peyton has everyone to blame for a lose but himself! Pathetic in my book.
    Posted by raptor64d

    Please.  Did Manning complain about his time in this superbowl?  No.  Did Brady call out his team for not being tough enough?  yes.
     
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    In Response to Re: Colts' OL Rebuffs Polian :  But why have rules if they are not going to be enforced? 
    Posted by underdoggggg


    Because if the officials called every infraction to the letter of the rule -- instead of using vague terminology that creates "judgment" calls -- no play would ever stand and the games would take forever and, most important of all, nobody would watch.



     
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    I suppose, but if the refs had called defensive holding or PI (which could have been called all game) just once (which it wasn't) let alone a few times.  The pats may have changed their game strategy.  

    I have commended the pats for their strategy, but you are full of it if you think Polian was wrong not to suggest the rules be called more closely given the way the game was officiated. It was the AFCCG for goodness sake.
     
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    I suppose, but if the refs had called defensive holding or PI (which could have been called all game) just once (which it wasn't) let alone a few times.  The pats may have changed their game strategy.   I have commended the pats for their strategy, but you are full of it if you think Polian was wrong not to suggest the rules be called more closely given the way the game was officiated. It was the AFCCG for goodness sake.
    Posted by underdoggggg


    Everybody has to do what they have to do to get an edge. If it's your team that does it, it's not cheating but if it's the team that just beat you than it is cheating. I used to hang out with a guy that was a very heavy gambler. So much so that when he called his bookies they knew the guys tendancies and would adjust the line accordingly. I.E. They knew he loved to bet the Bruins so they would take at least a half goal away when he called in for the lines. I used to get pissssed and rip the guys bookie and he would just say, "Hey Man, He's just trying to get the edge and I have to figure out how to beat him". It's no different in any other sport or in business. In the end I'd rather be guy routing for the winning team than the guy complaining, "We just got Skrewwed".( Not that it's not fun to complain and rip Polian) If the Pats can figure out a way to get over on the league again for another season and win a SB I'm all for it. I don't care if it's distracting the opposing team by showing Pornos on the diamond vision while they have the ball.
     
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    E - well put.  I just find it kind of ironic that there are fans here who scream bloody murder about the missed PI call in the 06 AFCCG (even though it was made up with the Gaffney one footed TD), yet feign ignorance re: the raping of Colts receivers for the entire 04 AFCCG.  

    Fandom at its best I suppose. 

     
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    In Response to Re: Colts' OL Rebuffs Polian :      Dog(gggg)...no one is disputing that Manning is a great regular season QB. That's where his "prolific numbers" lie. But, in the playoffs, his numbers aren't "prolific" at all. Why do you think that is? Perhaps if you read this article, you'll get a clue: http://www.profootballweekly.com/2010/02/12/time-to-trim-manning-back-to-size
    Posted by TexasPat3

    "Great regular season QB" gives him too much credit. His stats are very similar to tommy's in every catagory except for one; picks. Jughead has twice as many.
    In addition, 12 years in the league, surrounded by HOF receivers, pro-bowl RBs and superior defenses, he's been to one SB. And that one was a gift from NFL referees. 

    I'm thinking "overrated" is a much more descriptive label for jughead than "great regular reeason QB".  
     
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    i just want to ask a simple question....why is this board so obsessed with polian?

    the man does not effect the outcome of games, nor has he been ever convicted of cheating of any kind...so why the hate?

    I disagree... He effected any chance of a perfect season, against the teams wishes. I lost the shred of respect I had for him then.
     
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    Alf - except, of course, that the Pats can go 11-5 without Brady and with a QB that hasn't had a start in 8 years, while even most here agree that the colts couldn't go 5-11 without Manning. 

    Can you say "most valuable", "most responsibility", "most pressure".  That's manning.  Remember, as most of you have said, the Colts D stunk, the colts coach (Dungy) wasn't much.  On the other hand, the pats had a legendary defense and the smartest coach in the NFL. 

    Heck, all Brady has had to be is a great game manager.  Talk about easy.  With that coach and that defense.  As good as he is, with the coach, the d, and those extra videotapes, its no wonder the pats won 3. 

     
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    Alf - except, of course, that the Pats can go 11-5 without Brady and with a QB that hasn't had a start in 8 years, while even most here agree that the colts couldn't go 5-11 without Manning.  Can you say "most valuable", "most responsibility", "most pressure".  That's manning.  Remember, as most of you have said, the Colts D stunk, the colts coach (Dungy) wasn't much.  On the other hand, the pats had a legendary defense and the smartest coach in the NFL.  Heck, all Brady has had to be is a great game manager.  Talk about easy.  With that coach and that defense.  As good as he is, with the coach, the d, and those extra videotapes, its no wonder the pats won 3. 
    Posted by underdoggggg


    Or that the Pats train their back up Qb's better than the Colts do.....that has to be it.....
     
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    Not to mention the Patriots 2008 schedule was said to be the 2nd easiest schedule of the last 20 years going into the season. If Bernard(The Hitman) Pollard had been picked up by Kevin Faulk( suspended due to puffing the magic dragon) instead of Sammy Morris then The Pats had a very good chance at going back to back undefeated regular seasons, and perhaps a shot at redemption.

    Not taking away from Belichick's ability to build a team that can somewhat withstand the loss of the best QB in the game but the schedule surely played a part in getting to 11 wins. That one particular season anyway.
     
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    Alf - except, of course, that the Pats can go 11-5 without Brady and with a QB that hasn't had a start in 8 years, while even most here agree that the colts couldn't go 5-11 without Manning.  Can you say "most valuable", "most responsibility", "most pressure".  That's manning.  Remember, as most of you have said, the Colts D stunk, the colts coach (Dungy) wasn't much.  On the other hand, the pats had a legendary defense and the smartest coach in the NFL.  Heck, all Brady has had to be is a great game manager.  Talk about easy.  With that coach and that defense.  As good as he is, with the coach, the d, and those extra videotapes, its no wonder the pats won 3. 
    Posted by underdoggggg

    The Pats went 11-5 against the weakest divisions in football (The AFC & NFC West). Anyone who says the Colts would go 5-11 without Peyton is a clown. First off, we don't know how good the Colts team really is without Doofus because Mr. Forehead falls on the floor before anyone can get near him. Tom Moore is the best offensive mind in football, if that idiot McDaniels can make Matt Cassel shine I can just imagine what Moore would do for a Colt back-up. 

    For all this "The Colts wouldn't function without Peyton" crud, it seemed as if in the SB the Colts only work with Freeny at 100%. 


    Now, you keep disrespecting Tom Brady and it's really starting to pis$ me off. First off all, we already covered that having a great D is nice, but it doesn't mean squat without good QB play. And sure, having Belichick is amazing, but it doesn't help Brady much. Last I checked, Bill is a defensive guru. 


    What's really sad is that Peyton, as good as he is, with the receiving corps that he had, and the best offensive mind in football (Tom Moore) only won one SB. 

     
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    E - well put.  I just find it kind of ironic that there are fans here who scream bloody murder about the missed PI call in the 06 AFCCG (even though it was made up with the Gaffney one footed TD), yet feign ignorance re: the raping of Colts receivers for the entire 04 AFCCG.   Fandom at its best I suppose. 
    Posted by underdoggggg


    Doesn't do much good to get hung up on that stuff.It's like watching Kobe or Lebron and not expecting them to get calls.You just accept that it's going to happen and figure out how to work around it. I would say one of Belichicks strongest qualities as a coach is to do whatever it takes. He is also one of the only people I have ever known that truly doesn't care what anyone thinks. Most people say they don't care but they really do. BB truly doesn't care and it allows him to stay focused and do the right thing.
     
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    In Response to Re: Colts' OL Rebuffs Polian : The Pats went 11-5 against the weakest divisions in football (The AFC & NFC West). Anyone who says the Colts would go 5-11 without Peyton is a clown. First off, we don't know how good the Colts team really is without Doofus because Mr. Forehead falls on the floor before anyone can get near him. Tom Moore is the best offensive mind in football, if that idiot McDaniels can make Matt Cassel shine I can just imagine what Moore would do for a Colt back-up.  For all this "The Colts wouldn't function without Peyton" crud, it seemed as if in the SB the Colts only work with Freeny at 100%.  Now, you keep disrespecting Tom Brady and it's really starting to pis$ me off. First off all, we already covered that having a great D is nice, but it doesn't mean squat without good QB play. And sure, having Belichick is amazing, but it doesn't help Brady much. Last I checked, Bill is a defensive guru.  What's really sad is that Peyton, as good as he is, with the receiving corps that he had, and the best offensive mind in football (Tom Moore) only won one SB. 
    Posted by 49Patriots


    apparently there are lots of clowns on this board and in the media, then.

    Tom Moore simply gives manning ideas and lets Manning run the show.  Because of the colts excellence, the back ups have been given plenty of opps throughout the years.  They've all looked miserable.  Moore has been there for all of it.  The point is that the colts (as is frequently noted here) aren't all that good save a few players.  Manning can't win the game all by himself, but he takes that responsibility because he has to.  Freeney is an HOF'er, but singularly (like Manning) he can't do it alone.  Plus, he does not match, for example, the combined excellence of Bruschi, Vrabel, Wilfork, Seymour, Warren, Harrison, McGinest, Law, Samuel.  Man the pats had some great D players. 

    Its no disrespect to Brady.  He's had a better o-line than the colts better running backs save a couple of years (remember Edge blew a knee and wasn't the same after and Addai had one good year).  I agree that the colts have had better receivers until 2007. 

    Further, Belichick has his hands in everything.  Not just defense.  Don't forget Brady had Weis who was also considered a genius.  Tom Moore wasn't offered the ND job.

    Finally, a great receiving corps is limited by an inability to run and a great defense which the pats had. 
     
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    Not to mention the Patriots 2008 schedule was said to be the 2nd easiest schedule of the last 20 years going into the season. If Bernard(The Hitman) Pollard had been picked up by Kevin Faulk( suspended due to puffing the magic dragon) instead of Sammy Morris then The Pats had a very good chance at going back to back undefeated regular seasons, and perhaps a shot at redemption. Not taking away from Belichick's ability to build a team that can somewhat withstand the loss of the best QB in the game but the schedule surely played a part in getting to 11 wins. That one particular season anyway.
    Posted by TrueChamp



        I remember that Sammy Morris did block Pollard. It is just that Pollard crawled along the ground and then lunged into Brady's knee cap.
     
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    E - well put.  I just find it kind of ironic that there are fans here who scream bloody murder about the missed PI call in the 06 AFCCG (even though it was made up with the Gaffney one footed TD), yet feign ignorance re: the raping of Colts receivers for the entire 04 AFCCG.   Fandom at its best I suppose. 
    Posted by underdoggggg



     If as you imply the Pats violated the NFL PI rules while covering colts receivers than why did Polin ask to have the rule changed?

     
     
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    In Response to Re: Colts' OL Rebuffs Polian :  If as you imply the Pats violated the NFL PI rules while covering colts receivers than why did Polin ask to have the rule changed?  
    Posted by Mungomunro


    As far as I know, he didn't ask to have the rule changed.  He asked to have the rule enforced.
     
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    >>>>remember Edge blew a knee and wasn't the same after<<<<<<<

     Now you have throw the colts all time leading rusher under the bus to cover up for Payton's poor play.

     James had over 1,500 rushing yards in both in 2004 and 2005 well after his knee injury.
     
     
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    Well then, I guess you only listen to what you want to.  By the way, what 5 yard routes aren't timing routes?  Manning's ball was 3 yards to the right of Wayne who ran a 5 yd hook instead of a slant.  Porter didn't need to "jump" the route, the ball basically was thrown to him.
     
    RESPONSE: Is this your latest Peyton excuse? Why can't you admit that the guy choked, yet again? He made a made a bad read, and a bad play. Where are your articles which tend to exculpate Manning? 

    I didn't say articles.  I said insiders in the know.  We also know manning owns up to his mistakes.
     
    RESPONSE: OK...who are these mysterious "insiders in the know"? Step  out into the real  world, Dog(gggg). Manning never "owns up to his mistakes". There's always an excuse. Please name just one of his many chokes where he hasn't put forth an excuse.

    I'll be happy to. 

    RESPONSE: I'm waiting...

    Apparently you've been duped by the defense and kicker led pats of the past.

    RESPONSE: How absurd, even by your standards. Yeah Dog(gggg), Tom Brady, Troy Brown, Deion Branch, David Givens, Kevin Faulk, and Corey Dillon had nothing to do with the Patriots' Dynasty...LOL!!!  

    Lets see - whether - Manning won the SB in the worst SB weather in recent memory.

    RESPONSE: Now you're really embarrassing yourself. Manning played in a rainstorm in warm Miami. Oh...how brutal...LOL!!! Remember the excuses about losing to the Pats in 2003-04, in cold, snowy New England?

    Physical play - Manning has faced and beaten many of the best defenses in the past 4 years.  Pats, Ravens, Bears.

    RESPONSE: He beat a watered down, injury riddled Patriots' defense, and only then with considerable help from the officials. The offensively challenged Bears were an overrated joke...and Indy's defense and running game did them in. The Colts' defense also shut down the Ravens, in 2006 and 2009. 

    He did mention offensive line probs once.

    RESPONSE: He whined about his offensive line in both every choke, including both losses to the Patriots, the 2005 choke against the Steelers, and both chokes against the Chargers.  Against the Saints, Polian did his OL whining for him.  

    Should Manning have also caught the ball that Kenton Keith dropped near the goal line against SD in 2007 resulting in an int?  Maybe Manning should have run back Scifres punts in 08 or played LB and stopped Sproles.

    RESPONSE: As I previously stated, you conveniently leave out the fact that Manning threw two costly picks against the Chargers in 2007. It would have been three, but for the officials riding to his rescue. In the 2008 loss to a relatively weak 8-8 Chargers' team, the league MVP could not move his club...choked in the 4th quarter, and lost that game in OT.      

    I know you don't believe in penalties.  Your team gets away with them, like the 70 yd welker return last year v the colts with the holding on the return but no call.
     
    RESPONSE: That's rich!!! A Colts' fan whining about bad calls...LOL!!!!! Again, but for extremely biased officiating in the 2006 AFC title game against the Patriots, Manning and the Colts would still be without a championship.

    This thread actually had nothing at all to do with Manning's chokes, but everything to do with organizational issues with the offensive line, which the pats also have.

    RESPONSE: Wrong again. The Pats' have a contract squabble with one player, who happens to be an offensive lineman...while the Colts President and GM, Bill Polian, threw his entire OL under the bus, in a feeble and transparent attempt to protect the legacy, and fragile ego, of his star QB. 

    Polian's criticism of the play of his line may bother the players some, but they are in camp.  On the other hand, Mankins is still under contract and could/should be in camp, but he feels as if he has been played the fool by his org.  Which would you rather have a publicly critical org head or a deceitful quiet one?

    RESPONSE: Apples and oranges. I do not accept your premise that Bob Kraft has been deceitful in any way. As I have stated previously, there's plenty of articles and information on the Mankins' contract matter to show that your claims about Kraft are a flat out lie. All Kraft promised was that Mankins' contract matter would be addressed in the offseason. He did address the issue, and made Mankins a seemingly fair offer.

    I don't know if Kraft has been deceitful,
     
    RESPONSE: That's right. You don't. Yet, being the troll you are...you have taken the position that Kraft was deceitful. This is just a further example of why you have zero credibility here...and no one takes you seriously.  

    but Mankins has inferred that he is by saying one thing then doing another.  Mankins has never given reason to suggest he's not honest, so either he is lying or Kraft is deceitful.

    RESPONSE: Desperation. Could it also be that Mankins' ego has been bruised because he's being offered less money than the guy most consider to be the best OG in the league?

    I side with Mankins.

    RESPONSE: But of course...you are a troll.

    Again, you have no idea whether or not a fair offer was made.  If you have proof otherwise, then share it.  Who said they had to match the other guard's offer?  You are just speculating.

    RESPONSE: I've posted numerous articles on the Mankins' matter, previously. Where are your sources on Peyton??

    You can't compare Mankins offer and Evans contract without the structure which is ironically missing from the report.  If the reported offer did come from the team, you tell me why you think they didn't supply the guarantee or structure?  Could it be because they were substandard and would validate Mankins' statement?   Give me one viable reason why Mankins should not be taken at his word?

    RESPONSE: Mankins was offered a 5 year, $35mil. deal. Jahri Evans, the best OG in the game, was paidd a 7 year, $56.7mil. deal, with $19mil. guaranteed. But, Evans is two years younger than Mankins, and just helped his team win a SB. Where is the unfairness? 

    5 and 35.  What's the structure?  If the structure is no signing bonus and $1 mill for the first 4 years and $31 mill for the last year with no guarantee, is that a fair deal?  If the reported offer came from the team, how come they didn't provide the guarantee or structure?  Could they be hiding something?  Has he ever publicly said something prior to this to cause you or anyone else to question his integrity?

    RESPONSE: LOL!!! Do you really believe that the Pats' offered him a deal with no guaranteed money...as you implied above? Public opinion is currently against Mankins:  http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/football/patriots/view/20100615l
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     So, if little or none of the $35mil. offered was guaranteed, why hasn't the Mankins' camp mentioned it? Wouldn't it make sense for them to do that, if what you claim is true? 


    Even if correct, as has been pointed out here dozens of times, the simple terms 5 and $35 are meaningless without structure.  You've admitted such.
     
    RESPONSE: Twisting words again, I see. I said that, in fairness to Mankins, we don't know how much of the $35mil. was guaranteed. But, I don't buy for a NY minute your speculation that the Pats offered him little guaranteed money. A ton of time has gone by since the Pats' offer became public knowledge. Why hasn't there been a word from the Mankins' camp on the subject since? When you consider what the Pats paid Vince Wilfolk, and how generous they were with LB Gary Guyton, I see this as a Mankins' ego thing. As for Bruschi's comments, you have falsely represented what he said. He did not say that he agreed  with Mankins that Kraft "played" him, he said that Mankins'  threat to hold out should be taken seriously. Bruschi took no position as to whether the Pats' offer was fair.   

    ...what is the structure?  where did you get that the 35 was guaranteed?  You are just making that up aren't you?  Until proven otherwise, and you certainly have fallen way short, at this juncture...
     
    RESPONSE: The Colts and you are both dolts. For the third time, here you go, troll:
    http://www.boston.com/sports/football/patriots/extra_points/2010/06/
    pats_made_big_o.html


    ...I am willing to take Mankins at his word.

    RESPONSE: But of course. You are a troll.

    I guess that is another word for independent and objective thinker.   I think you likely do too, you just are not willing to admit it publicly.  The pats played Mankins.
     
    RESPONSE: You, an independent and objective thinker?? LOL!!!! You are a cheerleader for Peyton, who defends him no matter how many times he chokes. Bill Polian has publicly lied about his OL, in a feeble, transparent attempt to  excuse the latest Manning choke. By your defense of the indefensible, and your ridiculous speculations about the Patriots and Mankins, you have once again demonstated why you have no credibility here.  

    This has nothing to do with Manning.  That's your bag.  It makes you feel better about your recent pats failures.  05- Brady choke with 2 ints vs. Den; 06 - Brady's 4th Q int choke v Indy (funny when Brady has to deliver a TD it doesn't happen, isn't it) 07 - Brady's biggest choke of his career - "is Plax going to play defense"  ack.  09 - a 3 int stinker from Brady at home v the Ravens.

    RESPONSE: What are you talking about? This has everything to do with Manning!! Polian through his OL under the bus in an effort to salvage his legacy, and his fragile ego. So...you now want to compare Brady's playoff record vs. Peyton? Brady iis 15-4, with three SB championships. Manning is 9-9, with his lone title being gift-wrapped for him by the Polian trained zebras.

    This is about the colts oline being called out by polian but still showing up for work which is better than can be said for the pats oline.

    RESPONSE: No...this is a case of Bill Polian trying to cover-up for his fragile QB...and yet another in a long line of cases in which you have embarrassed yourself by defending the indefensible.
      
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    Re: Colts' OL Rebuffs Polian

    In Response to Re: Colts' OL Rebuffs Polian:
    In Response to Re: Colts' OL Rebuffs Polian : As far as I know, he didn't ask to have the rule changed.  He asked to have the rule enforced.
    Posted by underdoggggg


      

       Pooland had the rule change to disallow "incidental" contact after 5 yards.

      
     

     
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