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    It's too easy to get a gun, there are too many guns in the United States! Guns don't kill people, people kill people, right? But they kill more people with guns!

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         LOL!!!! How are things in socialist Californiia?? How are things in that wonderfully governed city of San Francisco?? LOL!!! Why are so many Californians and California businesses moving to Texas??

     

           

     

     
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    How about just a LITTLE common sense.... You know... good, ole fashion common sense:

    1. Most violent crimes are commited in the heat of a moment.

    2. Most violent crimes are commited by men (around 86%): testosterone makes the male of the species more prone to acts of violence (that is why a bull moose during rutting season is more dangerous than a bear) and our culture teaches guys to be be tough, not to back down, etc.

    3. Most violent crimes are commited by men over 15 (testosterone kicking in...)

    4. Most violent crimes committed by men between the ages of 18 and 30 (no surprise there)

    5. While men who let themselves become violent kill, a handy gun is the weapon of choice when available.

    6. Alchohol use is correlated with violence (people are more likely to become violent when using alchohol than when not - no surprise).

     

    So common sense does point to the tag phrase that "people kill". But since most murders are done in the heat of the moment the clear truth is that had there been no gun available at that moment then the chance of an attempted murder drops and the success of a murder attmept drops (guns are more deadly than other available means to kill).

    There is also the huge, overwhelming correlation between men and murderers and also a very high correlation with age and so with testosterone levels as well.

    So perhaps only women and men over say 45 should be allowed to carry guns.  Of course there will not be an agreement on this. And I am not wanting to drum up a heated debate. But I am wanting to drum up a little reflection on cause and effect with the application of common sense.

    Who disagrees that a pedophile should not be let around kids? I expect no one here would disagree. So by the same token, common sense, no perpetrator of a violent crime - and no person who has been decalred mentally unstable - should be allowed to own or posses a gun. Doing so should be illegal for those persons. THat is perhaps a concept most reasonable people could agree with - or at least appreciate the reasons for.

    Similarly common sense says guns and alchohol do not mix. Guns in bars are just a tragedy waiting to happen. And so too at football games. Considering the number of drunk jerks (as opposed to someone is is just drunk) at sporting events keeping guns out while they let everyone drink till they can hardly walk is a good thing. A very good thing.

    Clearly we will not all agree here with any one perspective, including the ones I touch on. But to be blind to the most obvious and simple things, and to be antogonistic, demeaning and even angry towards someone who wants to reduce gun related violence is just ... well... lets say it is just being dogmatic and lacking common sense.

     

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    OK... I'm for organizing a ban on testosterone. Seeing how THAT's teh obvious catalyst to this WHOLE problem. If we can't ban that, then let's outlaw men.

    "common sense, no perpetrator of a violent crime - and no person who has been decalred mentally unstable - should be allowed to own or posses a gun. "

    Question: Wjere have you been low these many years of attempts to crack down on owning guns? Al states require background checks before sales are complete. So, there goes your "common sense" contention as stated. It's already being done, and I have no problem with it. That is a reasonable step to take. But, while we're cracking down on legit folks trying to purchase a gun or any kind, where is the assault of criminals? The best I know of is the "trading them in for gift cards". Noble gesture, but the majority of guns truned in are NOT those related to crimes. Most have been old relics of nominal value, or thiose that have not been fired in a long time, or thoise that will not fire. Meanwhile, I'm still reading about shootings during home invasions, armed robberies, and criminal events gone bad (drug buys). Fact is that criminals WILL get guns.

    Here's a thought. Instead of making new gun laws, why not enforce those already in place? Let's add, say, 25 years to any sentence for armed robbery, if a gun is involved? Include this addition to other participants, even if they did not have a/the gun. You say most guns are acquired via breakins? OK, let's add the same 25 years to the sentence if a gun is stolen in the break in. Let's start making criminals fully responsible for their crimes, no more Nice Guy, let's look at how he was raised, his teachers had it in for him, Susie jilted him at the prom, too many booze commercials, excuses.

    Get tough on the criminal, NOT the public. 

     
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    Look at the gun violence in Mexico; look at the gun violence in the southside of Chicago; 70% and 90% respectively of those racists voted for Obama. It is obvious we have a culture/ values problem.

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    I'm surprised it took one of you this long to pull the race card. Was it "culture and values" when the Colorado shooting happen? What about Columbine, Giffords shooting, Norway shooter or the Oklahoma bomber? No? Right....

     

    P.S... Mexico's crime mostly comes from the Cartel. The Cartel gets money, power, weapons and resources thanks to America's War on Drugs! In fact, the Cartel buys guns from the U.S. it's so easy!

    Typical...-_-

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    Not to be cavalier about those massacres which were perpetrated by nuts, the "everyday" killings that I referred to are what passes for "normal" these days. We need some public hangings to " encourage"  people to behave

     
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         Here are some details involving the shooting: http://au.ibtimes.com/articles/410455/20121203/nfl-murder-suicide-jovan-belcher-kassandra-perkins-deadspin-alcohol.htm

         None of this is gospel, at this point. But, this could be another Chris Benoit type event, in which drugs, alcohol, and possibly a head injury played a role. I read in another article that the victim was shot 9 times.  

     
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    It's too easy to get a gun, there are too many guns in the United States! Guns don't kill people, people kill people, right? But they kill more people with guns!

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    Big talk for 24th ranked state economy in the U.S.

     
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    Look at the gun violence in Mexico; look at the gun violence in the southside of Chicago; 70% and 90% respectively of those racists voted for Obama. It is obvious we have a culture/ values problem.

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    I'm surprised it took one of you this long to pull the race card. Was it "culture and values" when the Colorado shooting happen? What about Columbine, Giffords shooting, Norway shooter or the Oklahoma bomber? No? Right....

     

    P.S... Mexico's crime mostly comes from the Cartel. The Cartel gets money, power, weapons and resources thanks to America's War on Drugs! In fact, the Cartel buys guns from the U.S. it's so easy!

    Typical...-_-

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    Not to be cavalier about those massacres which were perpetrated by nuts, the "everyday" killings that I referred to are what passes for "normal" these days. We need some public hangings to " encourage"  people to behave

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    Would you knock it off, there are Canadians on this board. They're going to think that all Americans are as silly as you.

    I'm telling you guys, I don't know why you guys hate the Taliban and other Muslim extremists so much. If you guys had your way, this would be the Christian version of Saudi Arabia.

     
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    It's too easy to get a gun, there are too many guns in the United States! Guns don't kill people, people kill people, right? But they kill more people with guns!

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         LOL!!!! How are things in socialist Californiia?? How are things in that wonderfully governed city of San Francisco?? LOL!!! Why are so many Californians and California businesses moving to Texas??

     

           

     

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    Big talk for 24th ranked state economy in the U.S.

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         Really? What's California's ranking??

     
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     Even more significant, there are far fewer incidents of guns used in domestic or workplace violence.

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    Ahhh, pro..... Canada having 1/10th the population of the US would have inherently fewer incidents... don't you think?

    Would you like another dozen reasons why Canada would have less?

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    The population size is not related to percentage of incidents. America has the most gun ownerships in the world by far. It's gun homicide % is not as high as some other countries(Venezuala for example) but it is much much higher than Canada's. The year I looked up the US was the 28th worst behind even the West Bank and Gaza strip.

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    He didn't express it as a "percentage", did he?

    Canada is no prize when it comes to homicide rate. There are numerous factors that make the two situations very different.

     

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate

     

     
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    Good for Costas.  I'm a gun owner and avid hunter myself, but the US needs more sensible gun control.  It's just too easy for anyone to get a handgun. There's way more gun crime in the US than any other civilized first-world nation. The reason is because guns are too easy to get. 

     

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    Canada has much looser gun laws has no gun violence. It is a culture issue not a legal issue. Canada has slightly stricter national policy but the local gun laws in America are much stricter on the whole. 

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    I've lived in both countries.  Believe me, the handgun laws are much stricter here.  Many large capacity guns are completely illegal, and if you own a handgun you can't take it anywhere that is not specified on your permit to carry it.  If you want to take your pistol to the gun club to shoot it, you need to have a permit that allows you to take it to that specific gun club.  If you take it anywhere else you can be arrested. 

    I lived in Massachusetts for years, one of the states with tough (by American standards) gun laws.  It was quite easy to get a permit to carry concealed if you wanted one.  I never bothered to get one, but my wife had hers.  

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    Well, it isn't easy to get a permit to carry concealed in Mass anymore.

     
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    Many  countries  throughout  the  world, like  Japan, England, Switzerland, France, Sweden  and  many  others  have  much  stricter  gun  control  laws  than  the  U.S.  And  the  results  are  indisputable.  In  1980,  Japan  which  banned  hand  guns,  had  8  murders  by  handgun.  The  U.S.  in  1980  had  over  16,000.  And  in  the  last  few  years, Americans  murder  each  other  with  handguns  at  a  rate  of  about  34,000  a  year.  Do  your  own  research.  The  point  is  having  stricter  and  more  reasonable  gun  laws  doesn't  eliminate  murder.  It  just  severely  reduces the  number  of  murders.  And  total  population  numbers  are  not  a  good  argument  against  gun  control.  Just  take  a  look  at  the  percentages  of  populations  that  are  murdered  by  handgun.  There's  a  reason almost  all  industrialized  nations  have  stricter  gun  laws.  They  work.  But  they  don't  eliminate  murder  altogether.  Guns  are  a  big  money  making  industry  in  the  U.S.    That's  why  there  will  never  be  sensible  hand  gun  legislation.  Our  politicians  are  all  bought  and  paid  for.  The  other  dynamic  is  that  unless  an  individual  has  personally  suffered  because  of  gun  violence, they  don't  see  it  as  a  big  problem.  They  just  choose  to  live  in  their  insulated  world. 

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    The global rate of homicides is 7.6 per 100k. The US rate is 4.2. Not too bad a price to pay for freedom.

     

     
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    "It's the dang liberals fault."  LOL!

    Everyone needs to own a gun to protect hisself from all the other idiots that own guns for "protection." 

    How many people have you heard of getting into gun fights at their home at the precise time it was broken into?  Most people aren't home when their house gets broken into and if they are how many have the actual balls to shoot the intruder?  I work with a guy here in Texas that caught someone breaking into his trailer in his drive way.  He confronted the guy with his shot gun and in the end got his own arm blown off after a struggle ensued.  This happened in Watauga,  Texas about 2 years ago.  You could probably find the story still.

     
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    my response to Bob Costas is simple.....if the girlfriend owned a gun as well, she might have been able to defend herself and may be alive today.

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    Perfect - a gun fight with the baby and baby's grandmother right there to observe.  Clearly the solution.

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    Do you think she would have had as much of a chance against an NFL LB with a knife or her fists instead of a gun?

     
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    Oh by the way, I've heard every story about why people should own guns.  Other than hunting, they're all pretty weak.

     
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    There definitely are cultural issues.  Bob Costa's statement would be a non-event in most countries, because in most advanced Western nations the culture supports placing limits on weapons designed primarily to make it easy to kill people.  It's seen as common sense. In America, however, a statement such as Costa's causes a firestorm precisely because America has a culture in which owning weapons designed primarily to kill people is considered a god-given right for the simple reason that many Americans either believe they may need to kill someone someday (personal defense) or just enjoy the feeling of power that comes from "packing heat."  That is a cultural problem . . . in evidence all over American this morning. 

    It is not surprising at all that such a culture results in a society with far more gun violence than in just about any other highly industrialized society. I agree it is not the lack of gun control laws that is the real problem. The real problem is a culture that makes the enactment of gun control laws almost impossible.

     

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    Apples/oranges. Comparing the demographics of the US to Canada or Western Europe is absurd.

     
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    It's too easy to get a gun, there are too many guns in the United States! Guns don't kill people, people kill people, right? But they kill more people with guns!

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         LOL!!!! How are things in socialist Californiia?? How are things in that wonderfully governed city of San Francisco?? LOL!!! Why are so many Californians and California businesses moving to Texas??

     

           

     

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    Big talk for 24th ranked state economy in the U.S.

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         Really? What's California's ranking??

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    12th...-_-...Mass and NY are 6 & 7th

     

    P.S...8 of the bottom 10 States voted for Mitt Romney, but we Liberals are the takers, right? -_-

     
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    Legalizing drugs would probably have many times more the impact on homicide that tougher gun laws would.

     
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    Good for Costas.  I'm a gun owner and avid hunter myself, but the US needs more sensible gun control.  It's just too easy for anyone to get a handgun. There's way more gun crime in the US than any other civilized first-world nation. The reason is because guns are too easy to get. 

     

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    How dare you say that. How are the military wannabees going to dream about saving the country from the commies if they can't stroke their guns? Oh wait the commies are gone. Maybe the Canadians will invade.

     
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    Good for Costas.  I'm a gun owner and avid hunter myself, but the US needs more sensible gun control.  It's just too easy for anyone to get a handgun. There's way more gun crime in the US than any other civilized first-world nation. The reason is because guns are too easy to get. 

     

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    And even easier if you're a crook who doesnt follow the law anyway, and judging by Costas' demeanor, he was proposing the idea that there should be no guns AT ALL. That means no guns for law abiding people like us, because most criminals dont follow the law or get their guns legally--by default. Therefore, more legislation keeps ME from getting one, but not so much them--which is what gun control is REALLY all about.

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    What you conviniently leave out is that a lot of the illegal guns sold are funnelled through legal sales in states with lax laws

     
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    Good for Costas.  I'm a gun owner and avid hunter myself, but the US needs more sensible gun control.  It's just too easy for anyone to get a handgun. There's way more gun crime in the US than any other civilized first-world nation. The reason is because guns are too easy to get. 

     

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    How dare you say that. How are the military wannabees going to dream about saving the country from the commies if they can't stroke their guns? Oh wait the commies are gone. Maybe the Canadians will invade.

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    =D

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    If there were no guns at all, hey wait the world had a time like that and they still butchered each other, he could just get a knife and do it that way. Costas you are not as important as you think you are.

     
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    Good for Costas.  I'm a gun owner and avid hunter myself, but the US needs more sensible gun control.  It's just too easy for anyone to get a handgun. There's way more gun crime in the US than any other civilized first-world nation. The reason is because guns are too easy to get. 

     

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    How dare you say that. How are the military wannabees going to dream about saving the country from the commies if they can't stroke their guns? Oh wait the commies are gone. Maybe the Canadians will invade.

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    =D

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    So now you're going to tell me who and how someone is going to invade us right?

    Red dawn is a classic idiot movie. Hundreds of professional soldiers can't hit a group of kids with automatic weapons while they kill with every shot and never reload.

     
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    Good for Costas.  I'm a gun owner and avid hunter myself, but the US needs more sensible gun control.  It's just too easy for anyone to get a handgun. There's way more gun crime in the US than any other civilized first-world nation. The reason is because guns are too easy to get. 

     

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    How dare you say that. How are the military wannabees going to dream about saving the country from the commies if they can't stroke their guns? Oh wait the commies are gone. Maybe the Canadians will invade.

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    No, no, no - it's not the threat of foreign invasion; it's to protect us all from the federal government.  Of course, no one has ever explained to me how all those privately held firearms are going to stack up against, oh, say the 82nd Airborne or a Marine Expeditionary Unit.

     
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    Legalizing drugs would probably have many times more the impact on homicide that tougher gun laws would.

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    Rephrase this, I don't know who's side your on.

     
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    Good for Costas.  I'm a gun owner and avid hunter myself, but the US needs more sensible gun control.  It's just too easy for anyone to get a handgun. There's way more gun crime in the US than any other civilized first-world nation. The reason is because guns are too easy to get. 

     

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    How dare you say that. How are the military wannabees going to dream about saving the country from the commies if they can't stroke their guns? Oh wait the commies are gone. Maybe the Canadians will invade.

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    =D

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    So now you're going to tell me who and how someone is going to invade us right?

    Red dawn is a classic idiot movie. Hundreds of professional soldiers can't hit a group of kids with automatic weapons while they kill with every shot and never reload.

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    I was being sarcastic.

     

     
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    Good for Costas.  I'm a gun owner and avid hunter myself, but the US needs more sensible gun control.  It's just too easy for anyone to get a handgun. There's way more gun crime in the US than any other civilized first-world nation. The reason is because guns are too easy to get. 

     

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    And even easier if you're a crook who doesnt follow the law anyway, and judging by Costas' demeanor, he was proposing the idea that there should be no guns AT ALL. That means no guns for law abiding people like us, because most criminals dont follow the law or get their guns legally--by default. Therefore, more legislation keeps ME from getting one, but not so much them--which is what gun control is REALLY all about.

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    What you conviniently leave out is that a lot of the illegal guns sold are funnelled through legal sales in states with lax laws

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    That, sir, happens to be the principal source of guns in the possession of criminals in this country - legally purchased in large quantities in states like Texas and Virginia and then black-marketed in states like NY, CT and MA.

     
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