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    Good for Costas.  I'm a gun owner and avid hunter myself, but the US needs more sensible gun control.  It's just too easy for anyone to get a handgun. There's way more gun crime in the US than any other civilized first-world nation. The reason is because guns are too easy to get. 

     




    How dare you say that. How are the military wannabees going to dream about saving the country from the commies if they can't stroke their guns? Oh wait the commies are gone. Maybe the Canadians will invade.



    No, no, no - it's not the threat of foreign invasion; it's to protect us all from the federal government.  Of course, no one has ever explained to me how all those privately held firearms are going to stack up against, oh, say the 82nd Airborne or a Marine Expeditionary Unit.



    You're trying to reason with Conservatives, you're wasting your time.  

     
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    Oh by the way, I've heard every story about why people should own guns.  Other than hunting, they're all pretty weak.



    How about to form a militia.  The founding fathers didn't give a rip about hunting or self defense.  The 2nd amendment exists because of the history of nearly every government in the world becoming corrupt and oppressing the people. 

    When the British didn't like us not paying taxes and decided to march on down with their guns we didn't fight them off with sticks. 

     
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    Good for Costas.  I'm a gun owner and avid hunter myself, but the US needs more sensible gun control.  It's just too easy for anyone to get a handgun. There's way more gun crime in the US than any other civilized first-world nation. The reason is because guns are too easy to get. 

     




    How dare you say that. How are the military wannabees going to dream about saving the country from the commies if they can't stroke their guns? Oh wait the commies are gone. Maybe the Canadians will invade.



    No, no, no - it's not the threat of foreign invasion; it's to protect us all from the federal government.  Of course, no one has ever explained to me how all those privately held firearms are going to stack up against, oh, say the 82nd Airborne or a Marine Expeditionary Unit.



    You're trying to reason with Conservatives, you're wasting your time.  




    If that were true then shouldn't .50 caliber machine guns and RPGs be legal? Or how about the neighborhood pitch in for their own tank? Need a parking spot? Just park on top of the cars where ever you want?

     
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    Oh by the way, I've heard every story about why people should own guns.  Other than hunting, they're all pretty weak.



    How about to form a militia.  The founding fathers didn't give a rip about hunting or self defense.  The 2nd amendment exists because of the history of nearly every government in the world becoming corrupt and oppressing the people. 

    When the British didn't like us not paying taxes and decided to march on down with their guns we didn't fight them off with sticks. 




    'well regulated' militia. It's called The National Guard.

     
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    Oh by the way, I've heard every story about why people should own guns.  Other than hunting, they're all pretty weak.



    How about to form a militia.  The founding fathers didn't give a rip about hunting or self defense.  The 2nd amendment exists because of the history of nearly every government in the world becoming corrupt and oppressing the people. 

    When the British didn't like us not paying taxes and decided to march on down with their guns we didn't fight them off with sticks. 




    'well regulated' militia. It's called The National Guard.



    Precisely.

     
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    Oh by the way, I've heard every story about why people should own guns.  Other than hunting, they're all pretty weak.



    How about to form a militia.  The founding fathers didn't give a rip about hunting or self defense.  The 2nd amendment exists because of the history of nearly every government in the world becoming corrupt and oppressing the people. 

    When the British didn't like us not paying taxes and decided to march on down with their guns we didn't fight them off with sticks. 




    'well regulated' militia. It's called The National Guard.




    According to you, but the 2nd ammendment existed before the National Guard.  It's safe to assume that if the founding fathers saw the National Guard as their idea of a well organized militia that was so critical to this country they put it in the constitution than they would have just gone ahead and created the National Guard.  They didn't.

     
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    Good for Costas.  I'm a gun owner and avid hunter myself, but the US needs more sensible gun control.  It's just too easy for anyone to get a handgun. There's way more gun crime in the US than any other civilized first-world nation. The reason is because guns are too easy to get. 

     




    How dare you say that. How are the military wannabees going to dream about saving the country from the commies if they can't stroke their guns? Oh wait the commies are gone. Maybe the Canadians will invade.



    No, no, no - it's not the threat of foreign invasion; it's to protect us all from the federal government.  Of course, no one has ever explained to me how all those privately held firearms are going to stack up against, oh, say the 82nd Airborne or a Marine Expeditionary Unit.





     
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    Oh by the way, I've heard every story about why people should own guns.  Other than hunting, they're all pretty weak.



    How about to form a militia.  The founding fathers didn't give a rip about hunting or self defense.  The 2nd amendment exists because of the history of nearly every government in the world becoming corrupt and oppressing the people. 

    When the British didn't like us not paying taxes and decided to march on down with their guns we didn't fight them off with sticks. 




    'well regulated' militia. It's called The National Guard.




    According to you, but the 2nd ammendment existed before the National Guard.  It's safe to assume that if the founding fathers saw the National Guard as their idea of a well organized militia that was so critical to this country they put it in the constitution than they would have just gone ahead and created the National Guard.  They didn't.



    The founding fathers didn't (and couldn't possibly) foresee all of the technological, sociological and structural advances that have taken place in this world.  The U.S. Constitution, exquisite document that it is, is not perfect.  Hence the 'partial credit' toward population apportioned to states with large numbers of slaves.  Moreover, there was no organized law enforcement in the country at that time.  How else were people supposed to be protected except through their own efforts?  

     
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    Oh by the way, I've heard every story about why people should own guns.  Other than hunting, they're all pretty weak.



    How about to form a militia.  The founding fathers didn't give a rip about hunting or self defense.  The 2nd amendment exists because of the history of nearly every government in the world becoming corrupt and oppressing the people. 

    When the British didn't like us not paying taxes and decided to march on down with their guns we didn't fight them off with sticks. 




    'well regulated' militia. It's called The National Guard.




    "Well regulated militia" is given as a reason for the right. The right is for the "people too keep and bear arms".

     

    Keep doesn't mean you have a gun down at the National Guard Armory. It means you keep it.

    Is a 67 yo woman a people? Can she be in the National Guard?

     
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    The Second Amendment is about states fearing Federal takeover of their rights. And it is clear that they felt assuring the individual had the right to keep weapons was the best protection against Federal takeover.

     
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    Good for Costas.  I'm a gun owner and avid hunter myself, but the US needs more sensible gun control.  It's just too easy for anyone to get a handgun. There's way more gun crime in the US than any other civilized first-world nation. The reason is because guns are too easy to get. 

     



    Yeah, and a wealthy NFL player probably couldn't get a gun even with stricter gun laws lol.  A football game isn't the place for Costas to pontificate.  It's not our laws that need changing, it's our culture.

     
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    The Second Amendment is about states fearing Federal takeover of their rights. And it is clear that they felt assuring the individual had the right to keep weapons was the best protection against Federal takeover.



    I'm sure they did.  How would that workout now, do you think?  

     
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    The Second Amendment is about states fearing Federal takeover of their rights. And it is clear that they felt assuring the individual had the right to keep weapons was the best protection against Federal takeover.



    I'm sure they did.  How would that workout now, do you think?  




    I think it can be argued that the right of the people to keep and bear arms is still a viable impediment to governmental oppression in any nation.

     
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    My point is that I'm not too worried about the criminals.  I'm more worried about the idiot here in Texas that has a license to carry and shouldn't even be allowed to operate a motorized vehicle.

     
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    Oh by the way, I've heard every story about why people should own guns.  Other than hunting, they're all pretty weak.



    How about to form a militia.  The founding fathers didn't give a rip about hunting or self defense.  The 2nd amendment exists because of the history of nearly every government in the world becoming corrupt and oppressing the people. 

    When the British didn't like us not paying taxes and decided to march on down with their guns we didn't fight them off with sticks. 




    Thank You!  We all wanna live with out guns, but once over half of population have them, u bet your arrse, I need one too. Its too late to stop now. Everytime a mass murder happens, thousands more go get strapped.  I went to get certified last year because I know when people cant feed their families, they wont starve, they will invade your home and thats my reason. Also if corrupt gvmnt comes to take me to a concentration camp??  Idk, but I aint taking chances. I will go out in blaze. problem is most people get guns for their fellow citizens and not for the impeding revolution. Even most police want people to have guns. A cop told me this because it makes their jobs easier.

     

    Problem is most folks dont even know or cant fathom the gvmt being against them and those sheep are still sleep and thats why people still entertain voting instead of getting thse british bankers out our Money supply. We never defeated the british, they just let us have a country that and they take our money.

     Why u think JFK was killed??? he was against those secret societies and they offed him. Thats why its a joke if you think Obama controls anything. He is a puppet. The fact that he hasnt even been spit on let alone had an attempt on his life, means he is following the agenda.

    "Give me control of a countrys money and i care not what rules it makes"  ROckefeller!

     
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    I don't need a gun. I train 6 days a week. Fk that man.

     
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    Oh by the way, I've heard every story about why people should own guns.  Other than hunting, they're all pretty weak.



         Err...you think that protecting yourself, your home, and your family from burglars is a weak argument? LOL!!!

     
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    Oh by the way, I've heard every story about why people should own guns.  Other than hunting, they're all pretty weak.



    How about to form a militia.  The founding fathers didn't give a rip about hunting or self defense.  The 2nd amendment exists because of the history of nearly every government in the world becoming corrupt and oppressing the people. 

    When the British didn't like us not paying taxes and decided to march on down with their guns we didn't fight them off with sticks. 




    Thank You!  We all wanna live with out guns, but once over half of population have them, u bet your arrse, I need one too. Its too late to stop now. Everytime a mass murder happens, thousands more go get strapped.  I went to get certified last year because I know when people cant feed their families, they wont starve, they will invade your home and thats my reason. Also if corrupt gvmnt comes to take me to a concentration camp??  Idk, but I aint taking chances. I will go out in blaze. problem is most people get guns for their fellow citizens and not for the impeding revolution. Even most police want people to have guns. A cop told me this because it makes their jobs easier.

     

    Problem is most folks dont even know or cant fathom the gvmt being against them and those sheep are still sleep and thats why people still entertain voting instead of getting thse british bankers out our Money supply. We never defeated the british, they just let us have a country that and they take our money.

     Why u think JFK was killed??? he was against those secret societies and they offed him. Thats why its a joke if you think Obama controls anything. He is a puppet. The fact that he hasnt even been spit on let alone had an attempt on his life, means he is following the agenda.

    "Give me control of a countrys money and i care not what rules it makes"  ROckefeller!




    LOL!

    Trust me, dude, if the US government ever decides to come after you, whatever arsenal you've got is going to be like throwing toothpicks against a hurricane.

     
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    One thing I've noticed about Liberals and their views of gun ownership is that all the reasons people have for owning firemarms seem weak until they themselves are in a situation that dictates people's reasons for owning firearms.  Also they always make the very wrong assumption that if things went south in this country and the government found itself fighting against it's citizens that the military would automatically be on the side of the government. Oh and a whole lot of us that own military style rifles were in the military so there is no wanna-be anything.

     
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    I'll be simple:  All the gun control in the world will not do anything.  The criminally minded will always find a way around the laws.  It is not the law abiding citizens which are the problem.

     
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    Oh by the way, I've heard every story about why people should own guns.  Other than hunting, they're all pretty weak.



    How about to form a militia.  The founding fathers didn't give a rip about hunting or self defense.  The 2nd amendment exists because of the history of nearly every government in the world becoming corrupt and oppressing the people. 

    When the British didn't like us not paying taxes and decided to march on down with their guns we didn't fight them off with sticks. 




    Thank You!  We all wanna live with out guns, but once over half of population have them, u bet your arrse, I need one too. Its too late to stop now. Everytime a mass murder happens, thousands more go get strapped.  I went to get certified last year because I know when people cant feed their families, they wont starve, they will invade your home and thats my reason. Also if corrupt gvmnt comes to take me to a concentration camp??  Idk, but I aint taking chances. I will go out in blaze. problem is most people get guns for their fellow citizens and not for the impeding revolution. Even most police want people to have guns. A cop told me this because it makes their jobs easier.

     

    Problem is most folks dont even know or cant fathom the gvmt being against them and those sheep are still sleep and thats why people still entertain voting instead of getting thse british bankers out our Money supply. We never defeated the british, they just let us have a country that and they take our money.

     Why u think JFK was killed??? he was against those secret societies and they offed him. Thats why its a joke if you think Obama controls anything. He is a puppet. The fact that he hasnt even been spit on let alone had an attempt on his life, means he is following the agenda.

    "Give me control of a countrys money and i care not what rules it makes"  ROckefeller!




    LOL!

    Trust me, dude, if the US government ever decides to come after you, whatever arsenal you've got is going to be like throwing toothpicks against a hurricane.



    I'm inclined to agree.  I'd also like to take exception to the notion repeatedly expressed in this thread that if one is in favor of common sense firearms control legislation one must be a 'liberal' (whatever that means).  As I understand that term as used in this thread a 'liberal' has some fuzzy headed idealistic view of the world wherein if we all sat around the campfire holding hands, singing Kumbaya and passing around a doob all would be right with the world and no one would ever wish to harm anyone else.  If not, then that's certainly the impression I'm getting.  And, trust me, I'm nobody's liberal, particularly by that definition.  

    Common sense firearms control legislation, by my definition, might, just might mind you, address the issue of anyone being able to load up a box truck with legally purchased firearms in Virginia and selling them in New York, for example.  

    Oh, and I happen to be retired military, run my own contract security firm and have an ongoing partnership with four police departments.

     
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    There definitely are cultural issues.  Bob Costa's statement would be a non-event in most countries, because in most advanced Western nations the culture supports placing limits on weapons designed primarily to make it easy to kill people.  It's seen as common sense. In America, however, a statement such as Costa's causes a firestorm precisely because America has a culture in which owning weapons designed primarily to kill people is considered a god-given right for the simple reason that many Americans either believe they may need to kill someone someday (personal defense) or just enjoy the feeling of power that comes from "packing heat."  That is a cultural problem . . . in evidence all over American this morning. 

    It is not surprising at all that such a culture results in a society with far more gun violence than in just about any other highly industrialized society. I agree it is not the lack of gun control laws that is the real problem. The real problem is a culture that makes the enactment of gun control laws almost impossible.

     



    ROFLMFAO!!!!

    God Given Right? Dude! Gget over yourself. This RIGHT is granted in the US Constitution. may I suggest you actually read it? Particularly the one at #2? Do you know the reason why it's #2, afet the all important 1st one? Do some research there, too, Sparky. You'll be amazed. Take a look at what's happening in Europe, that great bastion of liberal thinking, as all the hand out money is evaporating. Think that that could happen here once all the hand out/goody money dries up? 

    While we're taking guns away from everyone, seeing \that's where you want to head, let's ban movies that are no rated G (note: GP, R, etc all have to go, as they would contain either violence, nudity, or those nasty "adult situations"; Gitgta keep Little Johnny's and Sally's minds pure and wholesome, ya know). Then we'll closely sensor commercial TV, Too much violence on those hiur long CSI and other crime related offerings. Gives the public in general too many ideas. next, we'l outlaw and ban all TV commercials that would give a glimmer of support to abhirant behavior, as YOU would determine it to be. We start with those erectile dysfunction spots. Just imagine what a better place the world would be if there was less "personal enjoyment" in it. Who says you have to ready for ANY moment? I've been maried over 35 years, and, well, 'nuff said. It could get ugly..... Then, we'll toss in all commercials for beers and other beverages with any kind of alcoholic content. No booze, no blame, right? (Does the NFL have any share of the pending "blame" for what happened in KC, seeing how thay have "Suds-o, the OFFICIAL beer of the NFL" commercials? Hmmmm.....) Then, we'll need to put an end to those pesky commercials for new prescriptions. Why? Have you heard or really paid attention to those nasty side effects disclaimers, or the print too small for the Hubble Telescope to even read? No one's saying that a user WOULD get any/all of them. But, all it takes is one person to suffer, adn then we get all those pitiful lawyer commercials, railing about the hazards of living, adn how we all may be "ENTITLED" to compensation. (Another word I just love.)

    Now, go out there and start lobbying for the 2nd amendment to be stricken down.  

    I just LOVE educating the unknowing!



    The cultural problem I was talking about illustrated. 



    Must you insist on keeping me rolling on the floor laughing? PLEASE stop! Culture has nothing to do wioth the right to bear arms. If you want to own a gun, you're free to do so. If not, like me, you don't have to. Deal with it. It's a guaranteed right under the US Constitution, so stop whining about "culture" and do some reading up on the amendment. 



    I know the amendment (and its historical antecedents) better than you do, I'm sure.  But it is culture that determines people's attitudes toward the amendment and that makes it so difficult in our current political landscape to interpret it less rigidly or change it. 

     

     

     
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    Oh by the way, I've heard every story about why people should own guns.  Other than hunting, they're all pretty weak.



         Err...you think that protecting yourself, your home, and your family from burglars is a weak argument? LOL!!!



    Considering that far, far, far more people are hurt by gun accidents in the home vis a vis burglars shot by homeowners; yes, it is an extremely weak argument.

    Making it even weaker is that the average gun owner in a home, unless s/he has served in the military, has never shot a human being before. Those who have served know it is a VERY different experience than shooting at a range; the target is moving while your blood and adrenaline are pumping out of control.

    Further, if you're home is invaded by a burglar, that burglar is doing it on his time, not yours, while his senses are heightened whereas yours are dull. The intruder has the clear advantage of surprise; even moreso if he had the competence to reconnoiter your house beforehand. You stagger down the stairs in your bright, white T-shirt, while the burglar is dressed head-to-toe in black. If the burglar is armed, he likely does this for a living, which means he is likely to have been in this scenario before; likely to move more skillfully in the dark; likely to be more cool under pressure; and perhaps likely to have more firepower than you.

    If you have kids in you're home, then it is most likely that your weapon is locked away and not loaded. (If this is not the case, you're a damned fool just begging for a home accident, as children, above all else, are curious beyond curious.) While you're fumbling around getting your ammo in the gun, the burglar may get the bead on you. But, let's suppose you are quiet and fast. You run down the stairs and yell, "Freeze!" but the burglar, who is already prepard for a conflict, has scounted out the best defense position from gunfire. He dives; you shoot and miss, creating a big noise. The burglar returns fire from behind the kitchen island.  Bullets are now flying, which of course is when your six-your-old, frightened by strange noise, saunters in the room and calls out, "Daddy?"

     

    Still, most gun advocates on this board--at least, those who have never shot at a human being--will continue to advocate this "protect my home" position. And that, right there, is the biggest problem with guns. Very few of us would pick a fist fight with Brandon Spikes, but a gun gives a man who is overmatched in a fight the false courage to believe he is on equal standing. The sands of Iraq are littered with such Iraqis.

    You are far better off to have a good lock system for your doors and windows; an alarm system with piercing sound; lights illuminating the perimeter of your house...and, if all that fails, a calm demeanor and the good sense to know that your family is more important than your valuables, and you are statistically much more likely to hurt yourself or your family members than to actually take out a skilled burglar.

     
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    <But it is culture that determines people's attitudes toward the amendment and that makes it so difficult in our current political landscape to interpret it less rigidly or change it.>

    I'm inclined to concur in this view.  Otherwise how could we have a 5-4 divided Supreme Court on whether or not the following sentence is about individuals or well-regulated militias:

    A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

     

     

     
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