Curious Case of Browner's Suspension

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    RKarp, as dreighver asked, did you read the article? It contradicts what you're saying. So, you know something LaCanfora doesn't, or you're saying he's outright lying. It has to be one or the other.

    Quote from the article: "Browner was advanced to Stage 3 of the program for “failure to cooperate,” according to a source with knowledge of the situation, for missing a series of drug tests back in 2006 and 2007, when he was in fact out of the league."

    He did not test positive for anything, until November of 2013 when he tested positive for marijuana. 

    If you have better info than LaCanfora, please do share.



    Browner was with the Broncos from August of 2005 to July of 2006. He was on IR, but was still an employee of the broncos, and league rules applied. He missed 2 tests during that time period, resulting in 2 "failed test" scores...

    Browner, upon re entering the NFL in 2011 was notified that he was at that time in the 3rd stage of the NFL drug program, and another missed or failing test would result in suspension per the agreement in the CBA.

    Browner did fail another test, actually failed, not missed, and was suspended. the Seahawks did not appeal. Browner appealed not that he failed a test, but he appealed that he was unaware it was a 3rd failing. 

    He appealed his suspension, but has dropped it and is accepting the 4 games. 

     



    Yes, he failed in November 2013. That was it, that was the only test he actually failed. He missed tests when he was out of the league, passed 200 tests when he was back in the league, until that failed test 5 months ago.

    We get he's at stage 3 and that he tested positive for weed, the only point is he got to stage 3 based on missing tests that were scheduled after he left the Broncos, not while he was on their roster. If you have information different than that, please provide a source.

     
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    Re: Curious Case of Browner's Suspension

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    I heard this story the other day on either the radio or an internet podcast, and the thing I find crazy is the NFL said they sent Browner notices of the test, Browner said he never received notices.  Wouldn't you think these notices would have been sent via certified mail?  Where are the signed proof of delivery? 



    They do it all the time in all kinds of businesses...In MA. , for example, municipalities send out tax bills for many things - auto and trucks, homes, business real property - and the state rule, that has been adjudicated in court, states that they cannot be held responsible for the mails getting to a specific person, that it's up tothe US Postal service, and that they can't be held responsible for the US Postal service's performance...and the US Postal service is covered by the US Constitution, and you can't sue the US Governement unless you can prove that an official was doing something on purpose to hurt you - that's also been adjudicated.

    Yeah, it seems like a violation of due process, but I bet Browner decided not to sue because it would take a long time to settle out and he'd lose even more money than by just taking the NFL punishment.

     
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    Wow, good read. Thanks.



    And now do you see how this red flag is different?



    You are so 2 sided man. If Brandon Browner gets caught with some weed this season or something of the sort, you would be the 1st guy on here condeming BB for paying a "red flag player". 

     
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    Muzz,

    this zero tolerance for missed tests is pretty standard in the business community as it also allows for lowered loss insurance and health insurance rates for said business...

    a missed test is a false test...

    seems that Browner accepting the 4 games, he is not completely without wrong doing...but the situation comes with whispers that the offense was pot a couple of times and the missed tests are the reason for suspension....

    if you call, the initial account indicated PED use, but that was later recanted by the league



    Did you read the article? I mean no malice, I'm genuinely curious. If you did indeed read it, you'd see that Browner was out of the NFL, in the CFL, and the letters notifying him of missed tests weren't sent to his current address at that time. 

    Do you really think someone who wasn't employed with a business has any reason to continue taking the aforementioned business's drug tests? That seems absurd, and it sure seems like Browner did no wrong. Would seem he tested positive once, and it was for a small amount of pot, which about as benign as it gets. 

    I don't see how anyone could read this and continue to have any ill-will toward Browner. 




    You kidding me? RKarp will beat this like a dead horse. Doesn't matter if Browner was out of the league when he was supposed to be tested. Doesn't matter if the league agreed with his lawyer that him being in Stage three because of missed tests while he played in the CFL was ludicrous. He broke a rule.

     
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    Re: Curious Case of Browner's Suspension

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    RKarp, as dreighver asked, did you read the article? It contradicts what you're saying. So, you know something LaCanfora doesn't, or you're saying he's outright lying. It has to be one or the other.

    Quote from the article: "Browner was advanced to Stage 3 of the program for “failure to cooperate,” according to a source with knowledge of the situation, for missing a series of drug tests back in 2006 and 2007, when he was in fact out of the league."

    He did not test positive for anything, until November of 2013 when he tested positive for marijuana. 

    If you have better info than LaCanfora, please do share.



    It's obvious he did not read the article.

     
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    Re: Curious Case of Browner's Suspension

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    Wow, good read. Thanks.



    And now do you see how this red flag is different?



    You are so 2 sided man. If Brandon Browner gets caught with some weed this season or something of the sort, you would be the 1st guy on here condeming BB for paying a "red flag player". 



    nope not two sided at all, because as I've pointed out before:

    This isn't a character concern issue, it's not a injury concern issue, and we aren't counting on him to produce or be a productive starter it's just icing if he is. As I've told you time and time again you can take on some red flags you just have to pick and chose your red flags (not all red flags are the same) and you can't load up your starters with red flags players that you have to rely on every game. If you do have red flags you have to have contingency plans and for Browner we have Ryan and Dennard.

    I won't make 1 peep if he's banned for life True I promise. 

    Edit: and the Pats protected themselves by only guaranteeing $1mil with no signing bonus. So if something should happen they basically owe nothing in dead money. This is exactly the type of red flag I described to you that you can take a chance on. It's actually a prime example of what I was talking about that you kept saying all red flags are the same when clearly this case is vastly different from other ones. You think they learned a little from Lloyd and Amendola when putting this contract together?

     
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    I'm just hoping he repeatedly tests positive for defending passes and knocking guys down.  

    IF he is what he is supposed to be (and I'd guess if the Hawks were playing their second string guy from then on he MUST BE) and Revis still is most of what Revis was (looks like it) then we can lock down the crazy passing that has been killing us.  3rd and long wing and a prayer kind of stuff. Helmet catches.  Etc.  I was mad about losing Talib until his replacement showed up, and now Browner looks like an upgrade over Dennard once he gets into the lineup.  Now we need to move on the the next problem... Wilfork.  I don't see them just releasing him, I think they will find a trade partner.  SOMEBODY will take him.  Or just let him play out the contract, but I honestly don't see the value or the point in that.  Time to move on, I think.

     
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    Re: Curious Case of Browner's Suspension

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    It's obvious he did not read the article.



    Does this part of the article mean anything to you? The missed tests, seen by most as an admission of guilt, and accepted by the league as positive tests, are valid for 1 year after employment ceased, or more than 1 year

    veteran who is not under contract with a club (“Non-Contract Veteran”) must comply with the conditions of the Intervention Program for a year after the expiration of his last contract or receipt by the Administrator of written notification of his retirement, whichever is sooner. After six months as a Non-Contract Veteran, testing shall cease unless the Medical Director or the Medical Advisor requests that testing be continued. After a veteran who is under contract with a Club (“Contract Veteran”) or a Non-Contract Veteran notifies the Administrator of his retirement from football, he does not have to comply with the terms of his Treatment Plan.”



    Yes, it means he committed a technical violation of the dope policy. That's what it means. I guess that means he's a problem child. Probably should be banned for life. Hide the women and children. 

    Seriously, the WHOLE POINT here is that he was in stage 3 because of this stupid rule, not because of anything he actually did, like taking drugs or testing positive. If it wasn't for this stupid rule, the positive test for matijuana last November would have resulted in a slap on wrist. Instead, because of this stupid rule, he got suspended and his career is in jeopardy.

    You seem to think he's a bad guy. Fine, that's your call. I don't see anything he's done to make me think that. He smoked a little weed. 

     
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    I'm interested in the league response this year to the Colorado and Washington issue, where weed will be legal to use. Based off Browner's suspension for minute amount in his system and where weed stays in your body for upto 60 days, how do you suspend anyone who went to either of these states and legally partakes in smoking.

    If they start suspending players for it this year, i'm seeing a whole lot of lawsuits. Losing hundreds of thousands of dollars for doing something legal in states on the face just seems wrong, kind of like gettins suspended for going to Vegas and playing blackjack.

     
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    He was punish because him and Sherman got off on last year. They made him pay this time.

     
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    He was punish because him and Sherman got off on last year. They made him pay this time.



    What are you talking about?

     
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    I'm interested in the league response this year to the Colorado and Washington issue, where weed will be legal to use. Based off Browner's suspension for minute amount in his system and where weed stays in your body for upto 60 days, how do you suspend anyone who went to either of these states and legally partakes in smoking.

    If they start suspending players for it this year, i'm seeing a whole lot of lawsuits. Losing hundreds of thousands of dollars for doing something legal in states on the face just seems wrong, kind of like gettins suspended for going to Vegas and playing blackjack.



    There are many things that are legal, like for example HGH, Aderrall, certain steroids, etc., or legal gambling on NFL games in Vegas, that will get a football player suspended. Weed is just another banned substance in that regard. If you work in a drug free workplace, you can be fired (or disciplined according to the policy) if you test positive for a banned substance, whether it's legal in your state or not.

    It's kind of like free speech, you're free to say whatever you want, you can't be arrested. But your employer can fire you for it if they don't like it.

     
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    Sans the wall of text, Browner (and Irsay) can be summed up with this one statement.

    END THE WAR ON DRUGS!

     

     
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    So when he played for Seattle so many people here didn't take the time to look for any information, they just screamed roids without having a clue. Now that he's here he is clean.

    LOL talk about a 180

     
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    Zero tolerance means absolute zero down at NFL headquarters.  No druggies!  Apparently 31 teams didn't do their due diligence on this guy.  Nor, it seems, did anyone perform due diligence on NFL HQ's paraphernalia.

    As a bonus, Browner's particular four game suspension means that he sneaks by the critical 53 man limit on September 1.  Remember how Marcus Cannon was drafted while undergoing chemo so that he landed on the PUP squad, didn't count against the 53 man limit and eventually started?  Well, Browner also gets a bit of extra time to learn the playbook and BB gets an extra quality player past the 53 limit.  This team plays more games per season than most, and so they might as well get extra players.

     
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    Re: Curious Case of Browner's Suspension

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    Veering off topic here for a moment, there are professions where pre-employment drug screening and periodic random testing is appropriate.  Public safety and public safety-related occupations, heavy equipment operation, transportation to name just a few.  In Connecticut an employer needs specific written authorization to conduct random testing, the testing must be position-specific and detailed justification for the testing is required.  The nature of procedural randomness is rather stringently controlled as well.

    In the Browner case, we are talking about technical violations not test-postive violations that is decidedly not a distinction without a difference (pardon the double negative).  I am not at all concerned about him.



    I agree as well, I am not particularly worried about Browners drug use. As for the technicality, one must draw the conclusion a missed drug test is due to the fact that the testee would have failed the test, hence he decides to miss it.

    i would be more concerned with Browners stupidity after being told he was in stage 3, that he continued to smoke weed and was caught...




     

    If every NFL player who smoked a little weed was suspended, there would be no league.  It's the NFL that is stupid about this. 

     
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    Re: Curious Case of Browner's Suspension

    In response to jjbag's comment:

    I'm interested in the league response this year to the Colorado and Washington issue, where weed will be legal to use. Based off Browner's suspension for minute amount in his system and where weed stays in your body for upto 60 days, how do you suspend anyone who went to either of these states and legally partakes in smoking.

    If they start suspending players for it this year, i'm seeing a whole lot of lawsuits. Losing hundreds of thousands of dollars for doing something legal in states on the face just seems wrong, kind of like gettins suspended for going to Vegas and playing blackjack.



    Drinking is legal and you can lose your job over that. In other countries some drugs are illegal but that wouldn't get you out of anything.  I think they would just have to renegotiate the CBA if they wanted to change anything.  At the end of the day they agreed to not do certain drugs, doesn't matter if they agreed not to chew gum.  The punishment isn't for breaking the law, it's for breaking an agreement. 

     
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    Re: Curious Case of Browner's Suspension

    In response to shenanigan's comment:

    In response to jjbag's comment:

    I'm interested in the league response this year to the Colorado and Washington issue, where weed will be legal to use. Based off Browner's suspension for minute amount in his system and where weed stays in your body for upto 60 days, how do you suspend anyone who went to either of these states and legally partakes in smoking.

    If they start suspending players for it this year, i'm seeing a whole lot of lawsuits. Losing hundreds of thousands of dollars for doing something legal in states on the face just seems wrong, kind of like gettins suspended for going to Vegas and playing blackjack.



    Drinking is legal and you can lose your job over that. In other countries some drugs are illegal but that wouldn't get you out of anything.  I think they would just have to renegotiate the CBA if they wanted to change anything.  At the end of the day they agreed to not do certain drugs, doesn't matter if they agreed not to chew gum.  The punishment isn't for breaking the law, it's for breaking an agreement. 

    ...and the punishment is stupid and excessive.

     
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    And if I recall correctly, the NFL saw the error of it's ways and reinstated him.

     
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    Interesting that BB grabs Revis and Browner after reaching for Logan Ryan in the 3rd round.

     
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