cut slater, keep sims

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    cut slater, keep sims

    Sorry Jackie... special teams gunner extraordinaire only goes so far.  We have cole (who can actually play a position (CB) also.  Other guys as well.

    Quentin Sims is the real deal.  Catches balls in traffic and lands on his feet.  Red zone threat.   his performance last night was a clear breakout, similar to how thompkins has shined out of nowhere.  Sims looked a little like Vincent Jackson.

    Thompkins,Boyce,Edelman,Dobson,amendola, Sims.

     

    There's your receiver group.  with Edelman and amendolas injury history, this depth of guys who can produce on offense is critical.

     
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    Slater is one of the best STers in the game. BB puts a lot of weight to STs. I liked Sims last night but it was 1 preseason game and not sure it was enough against DBs who most likely will be cut to replace a probowl STer. Though I praying Sims clears waivers to make it to PS.


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    Did you actually watch the Pats on STs without Slater coolade? I'm with patseng on this.

     
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    With respect to Sims over Slater:  NFW.

     
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    Re: cut slater, keep sims

    get him on PS.

     
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    Did you actually watch the Pats on STs without Slater coolade? I'm with patseng on this.




    Yeah guys I know, pro bowl st, etc.  But hey its not like the sts haven't given up big plays with him in there.  Sts are not about one guy.  Izzo was captain but you had bruschi and harrison running down the field with him. 

    More value with Sims. Cole and green can be coached up to be better gunners. Its not a high skill position fellas.

     
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    if sims was the real deal where has he been this preseason ? Slater stays although with what he flashed i woud  love if they could stah him on the PS and  let him develop

     
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    Slater just won sort of of the field award - i think he stays

    I think in bigger danger cause of Simms is Washington

    Kick returners s/b the easiest to pick from your receivers

    I am surprised Slater doesn't return

    WE have Endleman as a Punt Returner


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    In response to seawolfxs' comment:

    Slater just won sort of of the field award - i think he stays

    I think in bigger danger cause of Simms is Washington

    Kick returners s/b the easiest to pick from your receivers

    I am surprised Slater doesn't return

    WE have Endleman as a Punt Returner


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    Washington did have a dumb muff of a bouncing punt last night...  Hmmm... I could see it but he also broke one.  Rather see the specialist Slater go since he has lost whatever versatility he may have once had. 

     

     He's a one trick pony now. 

     
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    Re: cut slater, keep sims

    In response to PatsEng's comment:

    Slater is one of the best STers in the game. BB puts a lot of weight to STs. I liked Sims last night but it was 1 preseason game and not sure it was enough against DBs who most likely will be cut to replace a probowl STer. Though I praying Sims clears waivers to make it to PS.


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    +1 . . . there are lots of players I'd cut before Slater if I wanted to make space on the roster for Sims. 

     
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    I think Slater has to stay. But if they could keep 7 O-line men it would allow for them to keep Sims. Cannon and Connolly coming of the bench you have C, G and T all covered. Both would start for other NFL teams.

     
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    Can Sims return Kick Offs?  If so I have a spot for him.

     
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    I think Slater has to stay. But if they could keep 7 O-line men it would allow for them to keep Sims. Cannon and Connolly coming of the bench you have C, G and T all covered. Both would start for other NFL teams.

     



    Seven O linemen seems really thin to me.  I think you need to keep at least 8 and really more like 9 to be safe. 

     

     
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    I think Slater has to stay. But if they could keep 7 O-line men it would allow for them to keep Sims. Cannon and Connolly coming of the bench you have C, G and T all covered. Both would start for other NFL teams.



    if both Cannon and Connolly comes off the bench who's your RG? The problem is OL needs rest every so often in a hurry up like we run. They get winded too. If one OL gets injured suddenly you don't have enough depth to replace them with leads to either removing the hurry up or risking the OL wearing down and not being able to close out games or worse getting Brady killed. Going 7 OL isn't wise using the hurry up which is why BB has never gone into a game with less than 8 OL

     
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    Maybe I'm overreacting to his performance last night against 2nd and 3rd stringers, but I think they should try to keep Sims on the 53 Man roster too.  He looks like he catches the ball well, runs well, and obviously has nice size.  They may even have to consider keeping 7 WRs now.  Not sure if that would be an option for them, but they will need to at least consider it.  The Jets spent a 2nd rounder on a big, fast WR from GA Tech last year in Hill.  So far he has been pretty disappointing for them and has shown poor hands, durability issues, etc.  I bet BB would secretly love to sign an undrafted GA Tech WR with similar attributes who ends up being pretty good.  Just a thought...

     
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    Can Sims return Kick Offs?  If so I have a spot for him.



    If Sims can return kick offs then he grabs Washingtons spot for sure but that's the only way I see him breaking into a roster already loaded with rooks. I just don't see one good performance as enough but then again we don't see practices either

     
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    I think Slater has to stay. But if they could keep 7 O-line men it would allow for them to keep Sims. Cannon and Connolly coming of the bench you have C, G and T all covered. Both would start for other NFL teams.

     



    if both Cannon and Connolly comes off the bench who's your RG? The problem is OL needs rest every so often in a hurry up like we run. They get winded too. If one OL gets injured suddenly you don't have enough depth to replace them with leads to either removing the hurry up or risking the OL wearing down and not being able to close out games or worse getting Brady killed. Going 7 OL isn't wise using the hurry up which is why BB has never gone into a game with less than 8 OL

     



    Svitek. Hes been playing there all Preseason until last night. I think he starts there right away.

     
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    Sorry Jackie... special teams gunner extraordinaire only goes so far.  We have cole (who can actually play a position (CB) also.  Other guys as well.

    Quentin Sims is the real deal.  Catches balls in traffic and lands on his feet.  Red zone threat.   his performance last night was a clear breakout, similar to how thompkins has shined out of nowhere.  Sims looked a little like Vincent Jackson.

    Thompkins,Boyce,Edelman,Dobson,amendola, Sims.

     

    There's your receiver group.  with Edelman and amendolas injury history, this depth of guys who can produce on offense is critical.

     


    Slater stays no matter what happens to Sims.

     

     
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    Slater isn't going anywhere.  He is the best in his field and BB loves that.

     

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    Re: cut slater, keep sims

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    Did you actually watch the Pats on STs without Slater coolade? I'm with patseng on this.

     




    Yeah guys I know, pro bowl st, etc.  But hey its not like the sts haven't given up big plays with him in there.  Sts are not about one guy.  Izzo was captain but you had bruschi and harrison running down the field with him. 

     

    More value with Sims. Cole and green can be coached up to be better gunners. Its not a high skill position fellas.



    You actually make the opposing pont better! Izzo was nothing really but a ST player. He was not good on D and rarely made the field except for ST. So BB stuck with him for that reason for a LONG time. PLUS Slater is even more improtant if you beleive that outside of him you are not set too well. It means you rely on him that much more.

    So in effect you make the other guys case. Slater stays.

     
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    Did you actually watch the Pats on STs without Slater coolade? I'm with patseng on this.

     

     




    Yeah guys I know, pro bowl st, etc.  But hey its not like the sts haven't given up big plays with him in there.  Sts are not about one guy.  Izzo was captain but you had bruschi and harrison running down the field with him. 

     

     

    More value with Sims. Cole and green can be coached up to be better gunners. Its not a high skill position fellas.

     



    You actually make the opposing pont better! Izzo was nothing really but a ST player. He was not good on D and rarely made the field except for ST. So BB stuck with him for that reason for a LONG time. PLUS Slater is even more improtant if you beleive that outside of him you are not set too well. It means you rely on him that much more.

     

    So in effect you make the other guys case. Slater stays.



    Clever but not convincing.  Slater had 16 tackles last year.  For the year that is .  That's 1 per game among 8-10 opportunities per game.

     

    Yes he may be among the leaders but it's not a high skill talent .  You can coach up players to do this. I know I'm in the minority on this one .

     
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    Clever but not convincing.  Slater had 16 tackles last year.  For the year that is .  That's 1 per game among 8-10 opportunities per game.

     

     

    Yes he may be among the leaders but it's not a high skill talent .  You can coach up players to do this. I know I'm in the minority on this one .



    He also was an all-pro and a pro-bowler with those 16 tackles. You don't get that honor being just a STer unless you are really something special 

     
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    Re: cut slater, keep sims

    Special teams tackle leaders for Patriots by season for the past four seasons

     

    2012

    Matt Slater - 18

    Nate Ebner - 15 

    Kyle Arrington - 13 

    Marquice Cole - 9   

     

    2011 

    Matt Slater - 18 

    Sergio Brown - 14 

    Kyle Arrington - 13 

    Tracy White - 13 

    Antwaun Molden - 9   

     

    2010 

    Tracy White - 18 

    Matt Slater - 17 

    Kyle Arrington - 12 

    Devin McCourtey - 11   

     

    2009 

    Pierre Woods - 19 

    Kyle Arrington - 18 

    Patrick Chung - 14 

    Eric Alexander - 13

     
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    Re: cut slater, keep sims

    Simms or Winn over Teblow.

     

    Chills just thinking about Teblow making the team but Simms or Winn getting released. 

     

     

     
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    Re: cut slater, keep sims

    He doesn't only play on the kickoff unit making tackles, he's usually the up man/lead blocker on kick returns, usually a blocker on field goal attempts, he plays on every special teams unit and captains the squad which means he's responsible for counting heads, making sure everyone is aware of the situation, moving young players around... if all this sounds trivial to you than you're missing a big part of what team sports are about.

    In the NFL anybody could get cut, when money's involved nobody is safe, but with Slater he is money well spent.  The guy is almost always a car length ahead of every other tackler on our team on kickoffs and helps corral the returner into a corner if he doesn't make the tackle himself, he's very good.  He can play WR or SS and while nothing spectacular, he is big and fast which has to be respected.

     
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