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    some other comments picked up yesterday that I neglected to include;


    -Connolly was injured all of last year. Wendell was not. Connolly was not restructured, but Wendells contract contains pretty much no liability if he is let go. healthy, Connolly offer much more roster flexibility.


    -game 1 or game 8 or whatever. seems a sure thing Halapio and Stork will soon be playing starters snap


    -downright giddy news about Gronk, but same giddyness on Vince


    -lots of questions on Kelley. he restructured. is he going to be an 8 game player? 12 game player? starting the season on pup?


    -Dennerd is interesting. no one thought his injury would take this long to heal. many though he really was primed to push Arrington for time. Ryan primed to surpass Dennerd on the depth chart


    -saw Wil Smith earlier. he is really big. he is much, much bigger than Chandler, Nink, Buchanon, ACarter. been a long time since I gave seen a DE here this big. he could be very interesting this year


    -someone who I listen to gave me his surpise of camp. Bequette. I was shocked. I thought he should have been cut last year. we shall see 

     
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    Those are some pretty significant items.

    Wow if Connolly can be an upgrade on himself (either at C or RG)

    Wow if we can upgrade with one of the rookie Olinemen

    Wow if Bequette actually turns a corner

    As for Will Smith - nothing new there. He is who he is. He will not make much of an impact rushing the passer. He should make an impact in certain packages as he has size. He should be solid against the run (not spectacular). His biggest impact should be in letting us use a package that requires his size at that position (maybe matchup issues) and in spelling starting DEs. That sounds limited and it is but it is still important over the course of 16 games.

     

     
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    If Bequette makes the 53-man roster I will question every other thing I knew to be true.

     
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    "-game 1 or game 8 or whatever. seems a sure thing Halapio and Stork will soon be playing starters snap"

    When the Pats drafted these guys I said at least 1, if not 2 of the rookie OLinemen would need to play significant time this year.  You said they would be on the Practice Squad.   Have you changed your opinion or are you passing on someone else's opinion?

     
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    I seriously wonder what Will Smith has left after that knee injury - and I forget if he is one of the guys starting out on the pup - but I don't even count this guy when I think of the defense this season. It would be some serious icing on the cake if he could contribute because he used to be a real good player...just a big, tough, talented, versatile guy...be nice if he was 80% of that this year.

     
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     I like Smith, Kelly, and Wilfork, but boy that's a line that is in desperate need of a specialist in geriatric orthopaedics. 

     
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     I like Smith, Kelly, and Wilfork, but boy that's a line that is in desperate need of a specialist in geriatric orthopaedics. 




    And that's just it - and you can add our first round pick Easley too - there's some serious questions there. The line is important, I hope they all are fine, but I'd be willing to bet only half of those four are going to help us. Who are the two? Not sure, but I'm leaning towards Wilfork and Easley, but two won't make it...weather it's the old injury or age...something will probably give. I hope I'm wrong - that would be awesome - but I think the line will consist of Chandler, Nink, an undrafted free agent, Easley on occasion and Wilfork on occasion. And will that be enough?

     
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    Pro, what you are saying is legit, but it is not correct. The line isn't Smith, Vince and Kelley. The line is Nink, Vince, Kelley, Jones and Smith, Sil, Easley, Buchanon. Maybe Chris Jones. Maybe Vellano.

    I like that better than Nink, Vellano, Jones, Jones, Soap, Buchanon, Carter...

    Thats a really deep rotation, littered with size, experience, up and coming talent and solid leadership.

     
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    In response to rkarp's comment:

    some other comments picked up yesterday that I neglected to include;

     

    -Connolly was injured all of last year. Wendell was not. Connolly was not restructured, but Wendells contract contains pretty much no liability if he is let go. healthy, Connolly offer much more roster flexibility.

     

    -game 1 or game 8 or whatever. seems a sure thing Halapio and Stork will soon be playing starters snap

     

    -downright giddy news about Gronk, but same giddyness on Vince

     

    -lots of questions on Kelley. he restructured. is he going to be an 8 game player? 12 game player? starting the season on pup?

     

    -Dennerd is interesting. no one thought his injury would take this long to heal. many though he really was primed to push Arrington for time. Ryan primed to surpass Dennerd on the depth chart

     

    -saw Wil Smith earlier. he is really big. he is much, much bigger than Chandler, Nink, Buchanon, ACarter. been a long time since I gave seen a DE here this big. he could be very interesting this year

     

    -someone who I listen to gave me his surpise of camp. Bequette. I was shocked. I thought he should have been cut last year. we shall see 




    Im interested in seeing if any of the fans who bashed Wilfork and said he would not come back healthy feel the need to apologize esp. for making disparaging remarks about his wife..... Naaa, I doubt it.

    I recall some very nasty things being said and lots of folks saying he was too fat to recover. Great Fan Base,,,smh

     
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    I recall some very nasty things being said and lots of folks saying he was too fat to recover. Great Fan Base,,,smh



    I think that point was valid though.

    He had an Achilles injury. The Pats list him at 325 but seriously, he's not 325 he's atleast 350.

    That's a ton of weight onto the feet of the man which he needed to rehab from. I think his weight and age when looking at how he would recover was a serious and valid part of it.

     

     
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    THANKS for the news... down here is Raven country, you know what I have to put up with! (-;

    AGCSBill, just a fan havin' fun!!

     
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    Im interested in seeing if any of the fans who bashed Wilfork and said he would not come back healthy feel the need to apologize esp. for making disparaging remarks about his wife..... Naaa, I doubt it.

    I recall some very nasty things being said and lots of folks saying he was too fat to recover. Great Fan Base,,,smh




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    Lol, yep I remember that. Very few of us wanted him back as most were bashing him after he wouldn't take the first restructure/extension offer the Pats tossed at him. Glad I wasn't part of that group as they are going to look as foolish as the group who bashed Mankins back during his contract dispute.

     
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    Pro, what you are saying is legit, but it is not correct. The line isn't Smith, Vince and Kelley. The line is Nink, Vince, Kelley, Jones and Smith, Sil, Easley, Buchanon. Maybe Chris Jones. Maybe Vellano.

    I like that better than Nink, Vellano, Jones, Jones, Soap, Buchanon, Carter...

    Thats a really deep rotation, littered with size, experience, up and coming talent and solid leadership.




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    Amen! 

     
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    PatsEng...   if fans ran the team, with all their emotions, the Pats would not be where they are.  Be thankful the team pays the right people to make decisions and the players make the plays.

    AGCSBill, just a fan havin' fun!!

     
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    I recall some very nasty things being said and lots of folks saying he was too fat to recover. Great Fan Base,,,smh



    I think that point was valid though.

    He had an Achilles injury. The Pats list him at 325 but seriously, he's not 325 he's atleast 350.

    That's a ton of weight onto the feet of the man which he needed to rehab from. I think his weight and age when looking at how he would recover was a serious and valid part of it.

     




    That is your opinion joe but I never doubted him. He has always said he is an athlete and not to look at this size. When you are 30, you are young. Maybe old in football years but having surgery at age 30 is a good thing. Its when you have surgery when you are 60 it becomes more problematic. Like I said, I chose to wait and see. Some folks just were totally negative and I thought acted really childish for a guy who has been a good soldier. None of us here are paying his contract. I hope he comes back and dominates. I was one of his supporters. IJS, if you arent a doctor, how can gauge someones ability to come back? The Human Body is an amazing specimen

     
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    That is your opinion joe but I never doubted him. He has always said he is an athlete and not to look at this size. When you are 30, you are young. Maybe old in football years but having surgery at age 30 is a good thing. Its when you have surgery when you are 60 it becomes more problematic. Like I said, I chose to wait and see. Some folks just were totally negative and I thought acted really childish for a guy who has been a good soldier. None of us here are paying his contract. I hope he comes back and dominates. I was one of his supporters. IJS, if you arent a doctor, how can gauge someones ability to come back? The Human Body is an amazing specimen



    Hey, I was one of his supporters too. I wanted him back here. Never said a negative word about the man. Vince is a true Patriot. I'm just saying there is legitimate worry when you're on the back 9 of your career and a big dude with a foot injury. If anyone could come back great from this, it's Vince

     
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    That is your opinion joe but I never doubted him. He has always said he is an athlete and not to look at this size. When you are 30, you are young. Maybe old in football years but having surgery at age 30 is a good thing. Its when you have surgery when you are 60 it becomes more problematic. Like I said, I chose to wait and see. Some folks just were totally negative and I thought acted really childish for a guy who has been a good soldier. None of us here are paying his contract. I hope he comes back and dominates. I was one of his supporters. IJS, if you arent a doctor, how can gauge someones ability to come back? The Human Body is an amazing specimen




    Hey, I was one of his supporters too. I wanted him back here. Never said a negative word about the man. Vince is a true Patriot. I'm just saying there is legitimate worry when you're on the back 9 of your career and a big dude with a foot injury. If anyone could come back great from this, it's Vince





    Ok, thats fair. I thought you were one of the ones bashing him. I am only speaking of experience. He is on the back 9 of his football career but should live a lot longer after football. I had surgery to repair a ruptured achilles tendon at age 31. Immediately after was very painful. The rehab was much more extensive than an ACL(mines was 18 months). I was bed ridden for a few months. It was very hard mentally. I told myself if I would be just happy to walk again but I slowly gained confidence and after a year of easing myself back I have played my best ball in the last couple years. I am now 37.


    The other thing was that all of the people talking had never had the injury. I just thought the fans turned on him really quick based on one report that really was not accurate and at the time it was "well vince was in decline anway" "we dont need him", "his wife is running the show, she needs to shut her fat mouth" Just overall Disgusting things and best believe Vince was reading as he mentioned all his doubters. Next time maybe fans will give him the benefit of the doubt. That was the 1st major injury of his entire football career. I think he deserved better than the treatment he got and sadly all those fans wont even come forward and say "I was wrong"


    I thought he got injured because he was gutting out an ankle injury to help the team and the achilles was a result of his foot compensated for the ankle. Maybe next time, he will sit instead of playing through injury and I wont blame him same as Seymour when he shredded his knee playing FB trying to help the team.

     
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    If Bequette makes the 53-man roster I will question every other thing I knew to be true.




    Put me down for this as well.....

     
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    In response to rkarp's comment:

    some other comments picked up yesterday that I neglected to include;

     

    -Connolly was injured all of last year. Wendell was not. Connolly was not restructured, but Wendells contract contains pretty much no liability if he is let go. healthy, Connolly offer much more roster flexibility.

     

    -game 1 or game 8 or whatever. seems a sure thing Halapio and Stork will soon be playing starters snap

     

    -downright giddy news about Gronk, but same giddyness on Vince

     

    -lots of questions on Kelley. he restructured. is he going to be an 8 game player? 12 game player? starting the season on pup?

     

    -Dennerd is interesting. no one thought his injury would take this long to heal. many though he really was primed to push Arrington for time. Ryan primed to surpass Dennerd on the depth chart

     

    -saw Wil Smith earlier. he is really big. he is much, much bigger than Chandler, Nink, Buchanon, ACarter. been a long time since I gave seen a DE here this big. he could be very interesting this year

     

    -someone who I listen to gave me his surpise of camp. Bequette. I was shocked. I thought he should have been cut last year. we shall see 




    Im interested in seeing if any of the fans who bashed Wilfork and said he would not come back healthy feel the need to apologize esp. for making disparaging remarks about his wife..... Naaa, I doubt it.

    I recall some very nasty things being said and lots of folks saying he was too fat to recover. Great Fan Base,,,smh




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    My opinion on Big Vince was that a big man getting pushed by 700 lbs every play has the odds against him with an achillies. I wasn't impressed with all the hate laid out there at Mrs Wilfork though. I thought that was a pretty low blow. I hope he can play this season and not have to play 90% of the snaps. I partially blame the Pats for over using him all these years. I feel that could have led to his inkury.

     
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    I recall some very nasty things being said and lots of folks saying he was too fat to recover. Great Fan Base,,,smh



    I think that point was valid though.

    He had an Achilles injury. The Pats list him at 325 but seriously, he's not 325 he's atleast 350.

    That's a ton of weight onto the feet of the man which he needed to rehab from. I think his weight and age when looking at how he would recover was a serious and valid part of it.

     




    That is your opinion joe but I never doubted him. He has always said he is an athlete and not to look at this size. When you are 30, you are young. Maybe old in football years but having surgery at age 30 is a good thing. Its when you have surgery when you are 60 it becomes more problematic. Like I said, I chose to wait and see. Some folks just were totally negative and I thought acted really childish for a guy who has been a good soldier. None of us here are paying his contract. I hope he comes back and dominates. I was one of his supporters. IJS, if you arent a doctor, how can gauge someones ability to come back? The Human Body is an amazing specimen




    Shouldn't we wait and see how he plays?

     
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    I recall some very nasty things being said and lots of folks saying he was too fat to recover. Great Fan Base,,,smh



    I think that point was valid though.

    He had an Achilles injury. The Pats list him at 325 but seriously, he's not 325 he's atleast 350.

    That's a ton of weight onto the feet of the man which he needed to rehab from. I think his weight and age when looking at how he would recover was a serious and valid part of it.

     




    That is your opinion joe but I never doubted him. He has always said he is an athlete and not to look at this size. When you are 30, you are young. Maybe old in football years but having surgery at age 30 is a good thing. Its when you have surgery when you are 60 it becomes more problematic. Like I said, I chose to wait and see. Some folks just were totally negative and I thought acted really childish for a guy who has been a good soldier. None of us here are paying his contract. I hope he comes back and dominates. I was one of his supporters. IJS, if you arent a doctor, how can gauge someones ability to come back? The Human Body is an amazing specimen




    Shouldn't we wait and see how he plays?




    Of course, but its a good sign that he is ready to go and not on the PUP like most speculated. I mean we are talking about him tying up blockers. Will he pick off a pass and almost take it the house like in 11'? Maybe not, but he is cleared to play, I suspect he'll be back close to his normal self. Like someone else mentioned, he was not given any help for a few years. Now if he comes back and re -injures his achilles, than I will eat crow but this is not me saying, See I told you so. He could totally get hurt again but for now, those negative fans look kind of foolish.

     
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    I recall some very nasty things being said and lots of folks saying he was too fat to recover. Great Fan Base,,,smh



    I think that point was valid though.

    He had an Achilles injury. The Pats list him at 325 but seriously, he's not 325 he's atleast 350.

    That's a ton of weight onto the feet of the man which he needed to rehab from. I think his weight and age when looking at how he would recover was a serious and valid part of it.

     




    That is your opinion joe but I never doubted him. He has always said he is an athlete and not to look at this size. When you are 30, you are young. Maybe old in football years but having surgery at age 30 is a good thing. Its when you have surgery when you are 60 it becomes more problematic. Like I said, I chose to wait and see. Some folks just were totally negative and I thought acted really childish for a guy who has been a good soldier. None of us here are paying his contract. I hope he comes back and dominates. I was one of his supporters. IJS, if you arent a doctor, how can gauge someones ability to come back? The Human Body is an amazing specimen




    Shouldn't we wait and see how he plays?




    Of course, but its a good sign that he is ready to go and not on the PUP like most speculated. I mean we are talking about him tying up blockers. Will he pick off a pass and almost take it the house like in 11'? Maybe not, but he is cleared to play, I suspect he'll be back close to his normal self. Like someone else mentioned, he was not given any help for a few years. Now if he comes back and re -injures his achilles, than I will eat crow but this is not me saying, See I told you so. He could totally get hurt again but for now, those negative fans look kind of foolish.




    Well....he did show some excellent moves at the grill a few weeks back...

     
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    Pro, what you are saying is legit, but it is not correct. The line isn't Smith, Vince and Kelley. The line is Nink, Vince, Kelley, Jones and Smith, Sil, Easley, Buchanon. Maybe Chris Jones. Maybe Vellano.

    I like that better than Nink, Vellano, Jones, Jones, Soap, Buchanon, Carter...

    Thats a really deep rotation, littered with size, experience, up and coming talent and solid leadership.




    This seems right on to me. BB loves to rotate D linemen and has a great chance to do so this season...hopefully the injury bug will stay away this year.

     
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    Good stuff, thanks. Man I hope your source is right on Bequette!!


    "Giggedy, Giggedy!"

     
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    I cant comment too much on day 2. I missed too much. Hopeful others will post what they saw

    Based on the crowd noise I missed a lot. I was at BB' presser and did see RK. Did not see much of the players. 

    One obvious thing though is uni numbers. Welcome addition. 

    Sorry I dont have more, should make Russ happy though. Let him go argue with someone else. I am going to Chesneys with my wife for a few cold ones 

    Have at it Russ

     
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