Dead Money

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    Dead Money

    2012

    Dead Money 

    NamePositionCap 
    Value
    TOTAL   $22,283,533
    Light, Matt OL $3,000,000
    Bodden, Leigh CB $3,000,000
    Warren, Ty DE $2,750,012
    Banta-Cain, Tully LB $2,000,000
    Ochocinco, Chad WR $1,683,333
    Fanene, Jonathan DE $1,383,333
    Brace, Ron DE $1,291,294
    Shiancoe, Visanthe TE $1,200,000
    Branch, Deion WR $998,529
    Kaczur, Nick OL $875,000
    Butler, Darius CB $542,500
    Gallery, Robert OL $500,000
    Wright, Mike DT $450,000
    Price, Taylor WR $352,290
    Koppen, Dan OL $325,000
    Moore, Sterling CB $272,636
    Salas, Greg WR $272,577
    Carpenter, Bobby LB $202,059
    Tate, Brandon WR $188,750
    Develin, James RB $160,165
    Gaffney, Jabar WR $150,000
    Tarpinian, Jeff LB $149,612
    Williams, Malcolm CB $131,665
    Smith, Lee TE $128,610
    Tennant, Matt C $127,059
    Addai, Joseph RB $125,000
    Kopa, Matt T $114,660
    Warren, Jeremiah OL $107,200
    Winslow, Kellen TE $97,059
    Petrus, Mitch G $95,294
    Forston, Marcus DT $95,098
    Stroud, Marcus DT $75,000
    Hilliard, Lex FB $72,353
    Carter, Markell DE $70,539
    Koutouvides, Niko LB $65,000
    Ihedigbo, James S $65,000
    Warren, Gerard DE $60,000
    Stallworth, Donte WR $50,000
    Rivera, Mike LB $45,882
    Silvestro, Alex DE $42,234
    Austin, Thomas C $35,280
    McClain, Terrell DT $27,353
    Aiken, Kamar WR $22,941
    Weston, Kade DT $19,850
    Williams, Malcolm CB $18,000
    Fayson, Jarred WR $17,100
    Quarles, Cyhl S $17,100
    Ohrnberger, Rich OL $15,000
    Maneri, Steven OL $15,000
    Ebert, Jeremy WR $12,050
    Lavarias, Aaron DE $12,000
    Taylor, Kerry WR $11,400
    Logan, Tony WR $11,400
    Brown, Sergio S $9,708
    Woods, Corey OL $8,000
    Draheim, Tommie C $5,700
    Harris, Jerrell LB $5,700
    Berry, Mike OL $5,334
    Austin, Thomas OL $5,000
    Yeatman, Will TE $4,667
    Nurse, Clay DE $3,334
    Coulson, Ryan LB $1,667
    Roark, Matt WR $833
    Ross, Jeremy WR $667
     
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    Re: Dead Money

    There has been a lot of talk about Dead Money, here it is in its current form for the year.

     
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    Re: Dead Money

    That is last season's.

     
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    Re: Dead Money

    In response to pcmIV's comment:
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    That is last season's.

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    Hmm have to see if this years is broken down

     

     
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    Re: Dead Money

    http://www.overthecap.com/teamcap.php?Team=Patriots&Year=2013

     

     
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    Re: Dead Money

     

    Dead Money

     

    NameCap
    Number TOTAL $4,644,196 Jon Fanene $2,566,667 Chad Ochocinco $1,583,334 Dan Koppen $175,000 Jabar Gaffnet $125,000 Spencer Larsen $125,000 Jeremy Ebert $36,150 Jeremiah Warren $12,000 Sergio Brown $9,711 Marcus Forston $6,667 Kyle Hix $3,000 Matt Roark $1,667

     
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    http://www.overthecap.com/teamcap.php?Team=Patriots&Year=2013

     

     



    Yah found it for some reason the table from this page didn't stay formatted.

     

    Only reason I wanted to post this is there have been a lot of people talking about dead money around here. I  just want to post the breakdown.

     
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    $4.6 million in dead money really isn't a problem.  It's less than 5% of the cap.  

     
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    $4.6 million in dead money really isn't a problem.  It's less than 5% of the cap.  



    I'm not posting this as a bad or good thing just what it is... I'm sure some others might want to see a break down.  I'm the type who always says I'm going to look something up but then never get a chance to becuase of life.  This morning is a nice lazy sunday at my house so I did.  I figured I'd post it for others.

     
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    $4.6 million in dead money really isn't a problem.  It's less than 5% of the cap.  

     



    I'm not posting this as a bad or good thing just what it is... I'm sure some others might want to see a break down.  I'm the type who always says I'm going to look something up but then never get a chance to becuase of life.  This morning is a nice lazy sunday at my house so I did.  I figured I'd post it for others.

     



    Didn't mean to seem critical.  Appreciate the info, actually.  Was just commenting that it is a good number and won't be a problem for the Pats this year.  

     
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    Re: Dead Money

    Rivera and Fortson are still on the roster, why would they be on this list?

     
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    $4.6 million in dead money really isn't a problem.  It's less than 5% of the cap.  




    Ya, but the 22+ last year was.  (20% of the cap).  ugh   That extra 20M would have gone a long way in securing a talented backfield this year and last and next! 

    Maybe even a championship.

     
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    Rivera and Fortson are still on the roster, why would they be on this list?



    The list in the original post is a year old.  

     

    This is the real list for this offseason (Csylvia79 revised the numbers further down the thread): 


    Number TOTAL $4,644,196 Jon Fanene $2,566,667 Chad Ochocinco $1,583,334 Dan Koppen $175,000 Jabar Gaffnet $125,000 Spencer Larsen $125,000 Jeremy Ebert $36,150 Jeremiah Warren $12,000 Sergio Brown $9,711 Marcus Forston $6,667 Kyle Hix $3,000 Matt Roark $1,667 

     
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    Re: Dead Money

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    $4.6 million in dead money really isn't a problem.  It's less than 5% of the cap.  

     




    Ya, but the 22+ last year was.  (20% of the cap).  ugh   That extra 20M would have gone a long way in securing a talented backfield this year and last and next! 

     

    Maybe even a championship.

     



    Except, I'm not so sure that first list is really accurate since some of those guys ended up on the roster last year.  I do agree, however, that $20 million in dead money would be problematic. 

     

     
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    Re: Dead Money

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    $4.6 million in dead money really isn't a problem.  It's less than 5% of the cap.  

     

    I believe that list is combining two years.  The money last year was 18+.  Still too steep.


    Ya, but the 22+ last year was.  (20% of the cap).  ugh   That extra 20M would have gone a long way in securing a talented backfield this year and last and next! 

     

    Maybe even a championship.

     



    Except, I'm not so sure that first list is really accurate since some of those guys ended up on the roster last year.  I do agree, however, that $20 million in dead money would be problematic. 

     




     
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    I still don't understand why Fortson (or now Ebert) is on this new list. The money is peanuts, but he's on the roster. Maybe because he was cut and resigned after clearing waivers? Did I answer my own question?

    Also, why is a guy like Fanene who was cut in the preseason last year, still dead money this year? Wouldn't that have all been counted last year? I thought it was accelerated when a guy is cut. Or is it spread over the contract term ife he's cut after June 1? Maybe I answered my own question again...

     
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    4m or so isn't Too bad. I would have thought they would have recouped the Fanaene money, and that could get added to the cap An extra 2.5 which is a decent amount. I think they count on the 2.5 being recouped at some point and that becomes the reserve they go into the season with in case they have to sign additional guys inseason.

     
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    Re: Dead Money

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    I still don't understand why Fortson (or now Ebert) is on this new list. The money is peanuts, but he's on the roster. Maybe because he was cut and resigned after clearing waivers? Did I answer my own question?

    Also, why is a guy like Fanene who was cut in the preseason last year, still dead money this year? Wouldn't that have all been counted last year? I thought it was accelerated when a guy is cut. Or is it spread over the contract term ife he's cut after June 1? Maybe I answered my own question again...



    I think if you're cut after a certain date, the team has the option to move the dead money into the following season's cap.  I'm not sure exactly how it works, but I do know that the cap hit for some late preseason cuts can be carried forward into the following season.  

    Not sure why Ebert and Fortson are dead money--maybe has something to do with their practice squad status at times during the year. 

     
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    Re: Dead Money

    In response to prolate0spheroid's comment:

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    I still don't understand why Fortson (or now Ebert) is on this new list. The money is peanuts, but he's on the roster. Maybe because he was cut and resigned after clearing waivers? Did I answer my own question?

    Also, why is a guy like Fanene who was cut in the preseason last year, still dead money this year? Wouldn't that have all been counted last year? I thought it was accelerated when a guy is cut. Or is it spread over the contract term ife he's cut after June 1? Maybe I answered my own question again...

     



    I think if you're cut after a certain date, the team has the option to move the dead money into the following season's cap.  I'm not sure exactly how it works, but I do know that the cap hit for some late preseason cuts can be carried forward into the following season.  

     

    Not sure why Ebert and Fortson are dead money--maybe has something to do with their practice squad status at times during the year. 



    The dead money is from their original contract signing bonus and became 'dead' the minute they were cut. When they were resigned they did not get bonus money so while they are currently signed, the dead money is from the previous 'contract'.

     

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