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    [QUOTE]This is nothing to cheer about.  Great players are what make the NFL or any other league great.  When a great player leaves the team they are synonymous with it's never the same.  But hey, I've never recovered fully from Bird and Magic leaving the NBA.  Manning will probably play a year somewhere else, realize it isn't the same, and retire.  Sad to see it end that way.
    Posted by carawaydj[/QUOTE]

    Your right, the only thing to cheer about would be if Manning took a
    troll with almost 4000 posts on this site with him.
     
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    [QUOTE]so you say not to make fun of manning crying and then you make fun of brady crying hypocrite In Response to Re: Dear Underdoggg... :
    Posted by patthepatriot666[/QUOTE]

    Nope - just trying to provide some appropriate irony for shortsighted pats fan.  Nice attempt to spin, however. 
     
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    [QUOTE]I think its funny how NO ONE has written an article about how he managed to flim flam the CLOTS brass out of what, $28 MILLION dollars last year without playing a snap?  This is the Great Train Robbery.  The guy was injured way before the negotiations began, had surgery, showed ZERO progress at the time they signed the thing, and didn't play all year and is only NOW throwing with force?  WOW.  This supposed high character guy sure pulled a fast one on the CLOTS.  Give me Brady ANY DAY.  
    Posted by Davedsone[/QUOTE]
    Why blame him? The Dolts gave him the money even without a confirmed clearance at the time from his surgeons. It's what you call gambling with your team's future. In this case, the Dolts pay the bookie.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Dear Underdoggg... : Maybe more. Cosell (one of the best film guys in the industry) said even though his mechanics are good, and he's good at reading a D Luck is a touch passer that won't have the velocity to throw a ball into tight spaces. Hrm, that means they will need to build a WR core around Luck that can gainer separation easily otherwise Luck is going to get picked and picked often in the Pro's
    Posted by PatsEng[/QUOTE]

    I'm no football scout (an I don't play one on TV, either) but even a dope like me can see that what gave Luck trouble at the college level was speed on defense. We'll see how he develops when the entire game speeds up in front of him. I'm just not buying into this idea that Luck is some kid of lead-pipe-lock as a franchise NFL quarterback for the next 15 years.

    Particularly on a franchise as fundamentally inept as the Colts.

     
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    I guess if the colts are fundamentally inept that leaves a short list of franchises as marginally inept and none as marginally ept.
     
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    [QUOTE]I guess if the colts are fundamentally inept that leaves a short list of franchises as marginally inept and none as marginally ept.
    Posted by UD6[/QUOTE]

    They're the only team I know that completely falls apart when you remove one guy.

    Hence: fundamentally inept.

    Thank you for playing.


     
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    There's alot more to it than just that.  I thought that they would have won about 7 games with Painter.  I was wrong.  Painter was as frustrating a QB as any by having moments of complete competence followed by moments of complete incompetence. 

    The FO didn't help things by rushing out to get Collins, which I thought might be a solid short term (not the entire year) fix. I was wrong about that, too, and that could not have helped Painter's confidence.  The only backing of the FO that I give specifically where the QB is concerned is that I understand why they let Orlovsky go in the preseason, although he turned out to be the best option and probably would have won them those 7 games.  He didn't separate himself from Painter, so you go with the guy who knows the system better. 

    You have to remember, the colts were in position to win 4-5 other games, but they didn't. 

    That said, I agree Manning made them significantly and surprisingly that much more competitive.  Says alot more about Manning than it does the FO. 
     
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    It had to be underdoggg, under cover, who put up that ridiculous "trade tom sign peyton" post.
     
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    [QUOTE]There's alot more to it than just that.  I thought that they would have won about 7 games with Painter.  I was wrong.  Painter was as frustrating a QB as any by having moments of complete competence followed by moments of complete incompetence.  The FO didn't help things by rushing out to get Collins, which I thought might be a solid short term (not the entire year) fix. I was wrong about that, too, and that could not have helped Painter's confidence.  The only backing of the FO that I give specifically where the QB is concerned is that I understand why they let Orlovsky go in the preseason, although he turned out to be the best option and probably would have won them those 7 games.  He didn't separate himself from Painter, so you go with the guy who knows the system better.  You have to remember, the colts were in position to win 4-5 other games, but they didn't.  That said, I agree Manning made them significantly and surprisingly that much more competitive.  Says alot more about Manning than it does the FO. 
    Posted by UD6[/QUOTE]

    What would have been the advantage in winning those 7 games?  Certainly not dumping an over-paid, injured and aging QB and acquiring the next sure thing.
    The plan was in place for a year unless you think a light bulb suddenly lit and they figured AFTER a year that it was better to pay 10M for a new QB than 40M to an old, injured one.  Do you think their brass is that dumb?
     
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    Are we forgetting that Big Dan Orlovsky put up 350 yards on us and a 110 rating.  These comments about how bleak the future looks in Indy are pretty funny.  Teams can rebuild in a heartbeat.  Teams do it in a season or two.  Cutting Peyton was a good move.  Don't think that our own TB wouldn't suffer the same fate if he was injured.
     
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    Underdoggg.....face the facts! Manning was absolutely the HEART & SOUL of your Colts. Last year proved how good he actually was. Now? I guess we'll see what 4-neck surgeries, a full year off, and a change of scenery does to a 36-Y.O. legend. BUT NOW? Your team sucks and will continue to suck for some time to come. The PATS? We have been in rebuilding mode for the last 2-3 years and remain relevant and are next years favorite, once again! So, go replay your "classy" send off again and again, because your treading in the wrong pool now my friend. Trolls from the Packers, Saints, Giants, they rate. You and your Colts breathren? You gotta earn some respect all over again before you'll get any here! PEACE OUT!
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Dear Underdoggg... : What would have been the advantage in winning those 7 games?  Certainly not dumping an over-paid, injured and aging QB and acquiring the next sure thing. The plan was in place for a year unless you think a light bulb suddenly lit and they figured AFTER a year that it was better to pay 10M for a new QB than 40M to an old, injured one.  Do you think their brass is that dumb?
    Posted by pezz4pats[/QUOTE]

    Before I answer your question, I need to make sure that you understand my comments weren't related to current advantages or disadvantages.  It was in reference to Pmike's comments which were also not related to current advantages or disadvantages.  

    To answer your question, as it relates to their current situation, winning 7 games would not have been an advantage, but it also may not have been a disadvantage if you believe Manning is capable of returning to form. 

    That said, it appears that you think the losing was calculated.  Unfortunately, if you think that then you may be the one who is that dumb.  Each one of the other team members stakes his own professional livlihood on his own performance (whoops, I just remembered - you think football is akin to singles tennis - my bad).  For each to not play at his best puts his own career at risk.  

    I'd like to think you get this and are just trying to stir the pot, but the more you write, the more I am not so sure. 
     
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    Underdoggg.....face the facts! Manning was absolutely the HEART & SOUL of your Colts. Last year proved how good he actually was. Now? I guess we'll see what 4-neck surgeries, a full year off, and a change of scenery does to a 36-Y.O. legend. BUT NOW? Your team sucks and will continue to suck for some time to come. The PATS? We have been in rebuilding mode for the last 2-3 years and remain relevant and are next years favorite, once again! So, go replay your "classy" send off again and again, because your treading in the wrong pool now my friend. Trolls from the Packers, Saints, Giants, they rate. You and your Colts breathren? You gotta earn some respect all over again before you'll get any here! PEACE OUT!

     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Dear Underdoggg... : Before I answer your question, I need to make sure that you understand my comments weren't related to current advantages or disadvantages.  It was in reference to Pmike's comments which were also not related to current advantages or disadvantages.   To answer your question, as it relates to their current situation, winning 7 games would not have been an advantage, but it also may not have been a disadvantage if you believe Manning is capable of returning to form.  That said, it appears that you think the losing was calculated.  Unfortunately, if you think that then you may be the one who is that dumb.  Each one of the other team members stakes his own professional livlihood on his own performance (whoops, I just remembered - you think football is akin to singles tennis - my bad).  For each to not play at his best puts his own career at risk.   I'd like to think you get this and are just trying to stir the pot, but the more you write, the more I am not so sure. 
    Posted by UD6[/QUOTE]

    Well, I would disagree and state that you are the dumb one.
    Most teams would play the best QB available.  Are you telling me they didn't know who the best QB was?  What about FA, QB's?  Did they pick the best one there?  Nope and nope.
    It is very likely that management intentionally did this not unlike when they purposely tanked the perfect season by not playing the best QB.
    See how that works?
    They played the relic and the relic went down, then they played the worst QB possible for 10 more games. Then they finally put in the better QB when it was determined they could actually win 2 games and not loose the Prize.
    Why not change QB's half way through the season when their record was 0/8?
    Sooner would have been better since he was doing such a marvelous job. LOL
    Pretty simple, isn't it?
    The rest of the team just had the misfortune of playing with the worst QB possible.  Can't really blame them if all their efforts were in vein.
     
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    The Colts collapse can be blamed on the Polians.  Their drafts were terrible.  If the Colts had gone close to .500 Manning would still be around.  The whole team went into the crapper instead.  It showed how far this team had fallen.  Even if Manning played last year it would have been a challenge just to get this thing to the playoffs.

    To me it wasn't about money.  It was about a business decision that was made by two people who looked at the big picture and said "ouch!".  It's clear the direction the Colts have to take.  Manning is a competitor and the team he signs up with will be in the playoffs.  Payton wasn't going anywhere with the Colts as they are now.   
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Dear Underdoggg... : Well, I would disagree and state that you are the dumb one. Most teams would play the best QB available.  Are you telling me they didn't know who the best QB was?  What about FA, QB's?  Did they pick the best one there?  Nope and nope. It is very likely that management intentionally did this not unlike when they purposely tanked the perfect season by not playing the best QB. See how that works? They played the relic and the relic went down, then they played the worst QB possible for 10 more games. Then they finally put in the better QB when it was determined they could actually win 2 games and not loose the Prize. Why not change QB's half way through the season when their record was 0/8? Sooner would have been better since he was doing such a marvelous job. LOL Pretty simple, isn't it? The rest of the team just had the misfortune of playing with the worst QB possible.  Can't really blame them if all their efforts were in vein.
    Posted by pezz4pats[/QUOTE]

    I think the colts thought they were playing the best QB available.  They thought Collins would be that guy as a longtime NFL starter.  More poise, experience, knowledge, etc.  Didn't happen.  I don't fault them for trying.  For example, Belichick drafted Chad Jackson at the top of the round.  He was wrong.  I wouldn't consider him dumb for being wrong.  Apparently, you thought Jesus was running the colts.  Hate to disappoint you on that one. 

    Polian has said that the colts tried to get Hasselbeck but he wanted a better opportunity.  Polian knew Collins - drafted Collins. Collins played for Caldwell at Penn State.  See the connections.  I'll forgive you if its lost on you. 

    I see that the idea of tanking is fully lost on you, as well.  What I stated regarding the players also applies to the management and coaches.  Their jobs are (were) on the line.  Their mistakes cost them their jobs.  I am sorry that you don't get this.  I know socialism is a prevalent concept in MA, but the state is still a part of the US, and performance still matters. 

    For the record, the colts changed starters twice during the season, first after 3 games, then after 11 games.  

    Buck up kiddo.  Logic is learned.  You'll get there. 
     
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    [QUOTE]The Colts collapse can be blamed on the Polians.  Their drafts were terrible.  If the Colts had gone close to .500 Manning would still be around.  The whole team went into the crapper instead.  It showed how far this team had fallen.  Even if Manning played last year it would have been a challenge just to get this thing to the playoffs. To me it wasn't about money.  It was about a business decision that was made by two people who looked at the big picture and said "ouch!".  It's clear the direction the Colts have to take.  Manning is a competitor and the team he signs up with will be in the playoffs.  Payton wasn't going anywhere with the Colts as they are now.   
    Posted by garytx[/QUOTE]

    I hope you are wrong about the current state of the colts, but I can't deny that your point deserves its opportunity to be right.
     
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    [QUOTE]Capy fox - bittersweet day for sure.  I admit I was wrong.  I expected Manning back.  I am unemotionally trying to weed through the bits of the press conference that I saw.  Its clear that the colts weren't going to pay Manning the bonus, but I expected them to figure something out.  Manning said the decision had nothing to do with money.  The comments that struck me most from what I saw were I Irsay's comments that part of his thinking was that he wanted Manning to have an opportunity to succeed, and implicitly suggested that Manning wouldn't have that opportunity with the colts.  He said the colts were in rebuilding mode and 3 years away.  If that is absolutely true, then Irsay gave Manning one of the classiest outs in sports history.  Everything I saw made me proud to be a colts fan and a manning fan. Those of you making fun of the emotion of the presser, must not have seen Brady's special earlier in the year.  There isn't enough room in his new pool to contain those tears.  Jeff - for the record, I didn't rehash spygate.  That was one of your fellow fans who started a thread with the title.  Pezz and Babe wanted to argue semantics, and I was happy to do that.  There's no medicine to be taken, and the pundits are claiming it may have been the classiest departure presser ever.  Your just jealous.  You know it can't be done any better.
    Posted by UD6[/QUOTE]

    It was a good era for Colts fans.  Makes me appreciate the current Patriots even more because one day the cycle of winning will  end.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Dear Underdoggg... : I think the colts thought they were playing the best QB available.  They thought Collins would be that guy as a longtime NFL starter.  More poise, experience, knowledge, etc.  Didn't happen.  I don't fault them for trying.  For example, Belichick drafted Chad Jackson at the top of the round.  He was wrong.  I wouldn't consider him dumb for being wrong.  Apparently, you thought Jesus was running the colts.  Hate to disappoint you on that one.  Polian has said that the colts tried to get Hasselbeck but he wanted a better opportunity.  Polian knew Collins - drafted Collins. Collins played for Caldwell at Penn State.  See the connections.  I'll forgive you if its lost on you.  I see that the idea of tanking is fully lost on you, as well.  What I stated regarding the players also applies to the management and coaches.  Their jobs are (were) on the line.  Their mistakes cost them their jobs.  I am sorry that you don't get this.  I know socialism is a prevalent concept in MA, but the state is still a part of the US, and performance still matters.  For the record, the colts changed starters twice during the season, first after 3 games, then after 11 games.   Buck up kiddo.  Logic is learned.  You'll get there. 
    Posted by UD6[/QUOTE]


    Who made the decision to tank the perfect season?  Polian or his puppets?
    Who made the decision to tank the 11 season?  Polian or his puppets?
    Who got fired?  Polian and his puppets.
    Did they get fired because they did the best they could or did they get fired because they did the worst they could?
    Where is Polian now? LOL  Guess he didn't care about his career too much.
    Thanks for proving my point.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Dear Underdoggg... : Hey what a cowinky-dink. I was watching at the gym on the eliptical also!!! Only difference is I am sure I was not as sad as you but I will miss the Colts Pats game every year. That is the game I look forward too every season.
    Posted by raptor64d[/QUOTE]

     I agree Pats / Colts,  Manning / Brady was an event every time. For the past 10 years it WAS the greatest rivalry because it wasnt played more than 2 times a year. regular season games had playoff implications and of course the playoffs were just high stakes

    The networks are Pssd because this was an ATM for them. Big bucks/ ratings on prime time .
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Dear Underdoggg... :      Nobody knows for sure whether he'll be back at 100%, if at all...yet. Any team who takes Peyton on will have to deal with a 36 year old QB, with injury concerns.      If he is able to go, I see him fitting in best in Miami. Houston should be another place for him to consider. In Houston, if he's anything close to what he was, he could do some serious damage.  
    Posted by TexasPat3[/QUOTE]

    PLUS in Houston he would play Indy twice a year!
     
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     I think that this is really a situaution where "it wasnt about the money" has some ramifications. But is truly ABOUT THE $

    What I have heard on NFL radio is

    The Colts are still on the books for about 16M ( salary cap restrictions) because of escalated bonus due PM ( previously paid via the 20M he recieved this year and other bonuses?). This just means that this year they get to keep that money.  Question I have with the new CBA , does this effect the FLOOR( I would think this drops them below the 90-95% negotiated level) ..or is this a loophole?

    If  they kept PM they would have had 17M on the books for cap and PM would have been paid the 28M. there is big $ here that both partys wanted.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Dear Underdoggg... : Who made the decision to tank the perfect season?  Polian or his puppets? Who made the decision to tank the 11 season?  Polian or his puppets? Who got fired?  Polian and his puppets. Did they get fired because they did the best they could or did they get fired because they did the worst they could? Where is Polian now? LOL  Guess he didn't care about his career too much. Thanks for proving my point.
    Posted by pezz4pats[/QUOTE]

    Oh Pezz - have spent enough time gratifying yourself today (don't answer that question)?
     
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    That said, it appears that you think the losing was calculated.  Unfortunately, if you think that then you may be the one who is that dumb.

    Guess that makes me dumb too. Why did they waste a roster spot on Manning for the WHOLE SEASON?  That tells me that didn't want to make a 100% effort.  They pretty much didn't win till the Suck for Luck pool was sewn up. They absolutely tanked on purpose. They probably know something medically about PM that scares them away more then 28M.
     
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    [QUOTE]That said, it appears that you think the losing was calculated.  Unfortunately, if you think that then you may be the one who is that dumb. Guess that makes me dumb too. Why did they waste a roster spot on Manning for the WHOLE SEASON?  That tells me that didn't want to make a 100% effort.  They pretty much didn't win till the Suck for Luck pool was sewn up. They absolutely tanked on purpose. They probably know something medically about PM that scares them away more then 28M.
    Posted by Philskiw1[/QUOTE]
    Guess so.  Sorry. 

    Spinal fusions take 6-8 weeks to heal.  Nerve regeneration is another thing, and that depends on the person.  If Manning's regeneration was rapid, then he could have been ready to play by december. 

    Given the financial obligation the colts had to Manning, knowing his capabilities in advance of the deadline was absolutely key.  If Manning is on injured reserve, then he can't practice. 

    Further, when you are the most important player in franchise history, the best QB of all-time, and didn't miss a single game for 13 years, if the docs say its possible that he can be back, you hold the spot.  This isn't unique to the colts.  They did it with Bob Sanders. 

    In the season they "hired" two new QB's and started both of them.  They started 3 different QB's in total to find one that would work.  Orlovsky started 2 games before he won one. 

    I can't help but to see the bias in your perspective, especially given that you probably didn't watch every colts game so you really couldn't know how the players played.  You just see the outcome and make your judgment. 
     
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