Debunking the Brady Window Theory

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    Debunking the Brady Window Theory

    I think the top two reasons we are all so upset with the failure of the 2005-2010 Pats is that (1) they failed to validate the true dynasty status (4 super bowls in a decade) and, (2) Brady's window may be closing.

    With respect to the first, that ship has sailed. I think we all need to stop worrying about "the dynasty" as it relates to Super Bowl wins and start enjoying the sustained run of excellence that allows this team to compete year after year.

    With respect to the second point, watching things unfold the past few years has made me realize that, as much as I love Brady, this team was at its best when it had a great defense and an offense that was complementary. Starting in 2005, however, the defense began to decline. BB and SP began to shift the focus to its strongest player - Brady. the results have been great - in the regular season. Records have been broken. The media has been impressed. We have been thrilled. But the problems come in the post season where offense seldom wins. Look at the last several Super Bowl winners. Balt, NE, TB, Pitt, Indy, NYG, Pitt, NO, Pitt or GB. With the exception of Indy and NO, those teams were built on defense and a strong running game. And the Packers, if they win, will win much like they won yesterday - because of D, not the QB.

    Further reinforcing this is the fact that the 2008 Pats won 11 games, albeit against a weak slate, with Matt Cassel as QB.

    So, going forward, the team should focus on defense and a running game. Having a HOF QB is great, but as he enters the fourth quarter of his career, he should be given the tools to win another Super Bowl - not to put up Manning stats.

    My hope for this year? Resign, at all costs, Mankins and Light. Keep Green-Ellis. Trade Merriweather for a 3rd or 4th. And then make one Free Agent splash: Woodley. Then you can draft a No. 1 RB, a DE, and two OG/C's in the first two rounds. Use the remaining four (one from the Merriweather trade) to pick a deep WR, OL, FB, and another DL.
     
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    I agree. This also ties into the finesse offense idea and a weakened Off Coordinator position as well. 

    What wins? Defense, but also a legit run game to eat up minutes. I think these both need to be there.

    WHen Maroney got here and Dillon left, that too, is connected to the TOP idea and how it makes it easier on the D to make those stops.

    I thought they had moved away from the finesse offense idea and than it returned last week agains the Jets.

    They didn't run it enough to set up, to allow for play action, etc. I don't know what the issue is on offense when they have match up advantages and can run it well.

    But, in the end, you are absolutely correct. As much as it

    If I had to rank the reasons for being able to win in the playoffs:

    1. Coach/QB
    2. Defense
    3. Offense/run game

    The defense and a run game are musts.  I don't like how McDaniels treated it as an afterthought and how O'Brien never committed to it last year.  The thing is, they are right there. Right there with putting this over the top.


     
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    Re: Debunking the Brady Window Theory

    I love Woodley, but I have two questions:

    Why would the Steelers let him leave? I know the CBA could have an impact, but why didn't they lock up a guy like that? I respect the steelers organization a lot and don't think they'd let a stud like him go, especially at the position he plays.

    Why would Woodley come here over Pitt? They are a great organization too, and they play a style more conducive to sacks. There is the brady/woodley connection, but I don't know if that would matter much.

    After seeing pitt run on the jets last night, how frustrating was it to play MM QB again. If they ran BJGE more they win the game. 
     
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    A chance to be THE man, as opposed to the other OLB across from Harrison?

    No clue really, but Pitt tends to underpay as well as us so maybe we break the mold a bit here. Doubtful, but one can hope.
     
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    Money. 

    Look at how many names they have on that D they have to pay.  Harrison, Polamalu, Casey Hampton, they brought McFadden back, etc.  None of these guys are cheap.

    Timmons is under his rookie deal, but this is what I mean by Pitt being older and having more contracts to look at and it possibly being an issue.


    I do agree Woodley would need to lowballed or overwhelmed to leave.  I guess one good thing is he and Brady are Michigan grads, so maybe Brady can do some salesmanship there.

    LeBeau's contract is up and he is no spring chicken. He's old.

    The Colts are in a better spot than either Pitt or the Jets moving forward, believe it or not.

    As for Brady's window, I look his conditioning and the fact he doesn't look 33 to me.  He's in such good shape, it's going to be up to him.  I'd say he's good for 5 more years and then it will be a one year type of thing from there on out.

     
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        Great post. You summed up the way most of my family and friends have felt for a while now. When we look back on it all we may realize that 2007 was the worst thing that could have happened to us. It gave us a false sense of accomplishment.

        The fact is we were one dimensional and still are. I don't care if BJGE had 1000 yards and 13 tds. He was a product of the defense focusing in on Brady for the whole season. I long for the days of the Charlie Weiss offense. A balanced attack where defense's were constantly guessing(and guessing wrong usually).

        An offense that focused on T.O.P and field position. The Jets KNEW we were going pass heavy for the game. NFL defense's in the playoffs are too good for any QB to beat them when his offense is one dimensional.

        I think we have started to go back to the old philosophy by using the 2 TE set more then any team in the league. I think it helped Brady have his best year(more with less talent then 07). I just don't understand why we had to revert back to the 07-09 offense in the most important game of the year? I have to blame coaching for that. We played into the Jets hands and that is very unlike us.


     
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    TrueChamp:

    I agree on BJGE. I love the guy - as a number 2 running back. I hope that the Front Office doesn't think that he is THE GUY going forward. He can take advantage of opportunities, but we need a guy who can MAKE opportunities.
     
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       There is a reason guys like BJGE and Woodhead went undrafted. Now I do love the story on both of these guys but they have strong limitations. I do not believe any NFL team is afraid of our run game and there lies the problem. If you have a game changing RB( like most other teams have) then how unstoppable does play action become?

       With our TE personnel and a RB who could take it to the house on any play we own ball control. BJGE has become a good player for us, he does not fumble the ball and he falls forward but he does not have big play potential at all.

    I would like to see us land a FA RB or take a 1st-2nd rd guy. The rest of the picks we can use on defense as long as we sign Logan Mankins.


     
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    Re: Debunking the Brady Window Theory

    I think Woodhead is very good player, personally.  He has such a complete skill set, I still have no idea how he wasn't drafted. 

    BJGE got caught up in a numbers game (more talented Div 1 backs ahead of him in the 2008 draft). He had a good college career, too.

    Sign one quality, veteran RB and draft one.

    I find it strange no one wants to acknowledge that Mankins had a terrible game agains the Jets.   People were raving about him when he came back, but the reality is, Connolly was doing just as well at LG prior to Mankins return.

    If Mankins gets irrational again, bye-bye.  He's average at pass blocking and people seem to think he is irreplaceable.

    NE can draft Pouncey at 17 and get on with it.
     
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    Re: Debunking the Brady Window Theory

    This thread is interesting reading and I think there are some excellent points made.  There will always be exceptions to the strong-defense-run-game-wins-S/Bs approach but they are rare.  The Saints and Colts are two recent winners that come to mind.  That said, the teams that consistenly win in the NFL are the teams that can play strong, physical D and run the football.  Of course good coaching and excellent QB play are part of the winning formula but the D and ground game must be there. 

    IMO, the Pats need (draft, FA - I don't care):

    *Pass rusher(s)
    *Impact RB(s)
    *O Line help

    My 2 cents.
     
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    Re: Debunking the Brady Window Theory

    I think if you add a big DE, pass rushing OLB and a RB, the potential of an "off" Brady game in the playoffs is extremely minimized.

    Everyone wants to point the finger at Brady for last week. Look at Ben's numbers yesterday. Or Rodgers. They were not good. But they had defense and a running game to lean on. If Brady is not ON, the Pats currently have nothing else. That is why NFL MVP's rarely win Super Bowls.


     
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    Re: Debunking the Brady Window Theory

    I think two of those top 3 picks need to go to address what is the consensus issue on this team -- pass rush at the DE and OLB positions.  I would love for this team to supplement its young talent with a few key FA pickups, maybe someone to be second fiddle to BJGE at RB, another vet CB for the nickel and dime, a stout o-lineman or d-lineman, and maybe a vet WR whose major skill is speed.       
     
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    In Response to Re: Debunking the Brady Window Theory:
    I think two of those top 3 picks need to go to address what is the consensus issue on this team -- pass rush at the DE and OLB positions.  I would love for this team to supplement its young talent with a few key FA pickups, maybe someone to be second fiddle to BJGE at RB, another vet CB for the nickel and dime, a stout o-lineman or d-lineman, and maybe a vet WR whose major skill is speed.       
    Posted by CablesWyndBairn


    I agree on all points except for second fiddle to BJGE. I think they need a true No. 1, with BJGE being the No. 2. I would like to see them draft Mikel Lashoure with that 28 or 33 pick.

    Also, I think for FA pickups: 
    Hali or Woodley at OLB would be great, but doubtful. 
    Cullen Jenkins at DE?
    Malcolm Floyd as that deep specialist?
     
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    Re: Debunking the Brady Window Theory

    Gentlemen,
    This is a good post,....Your ideas all seem to be good and direct, BUT you have one problem.
    Bill Belichick!
    No one can guess his direction in the drafts, far too long he overlooks immediate needs at crucial positions. He fails to admit he needs help in the management of this team and feels he can do it himself, which shows he cannot. He held on far too long with Maroney and injury prone people, and Fred Taylor and Morris.
    He refuses to bring in top quality free agents. He has left this team thin at the quarterback position.
    Gentlemen, the draft once again will show, Bill Belichick is now the problem
     
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    Re: Debunking the Brady Window Theory

    I still stick to my ideology. We need to draft Pass Rushers, plural. Not one, we need more then one. A DE that can rush upfield and an OLB that can do the same. Follow that up with a pick on the offensive line or a talented RB and we should be set to make many runs deep into the playoffs for the rest of Brady's career. I think he has another 6 years in him, and with all the young guns and possible new guys coming in, we are set for those 5-6 years.

    I would love to have Mankins back to solidify the line and not need to adress the Guard position in the first 3 rounds, but if he leaves then I think OG becomes a big need. Can't run the ball if your line can't sustain blocks. Ideally, we draft the best passrusher available and grab Pouncey at 28 followed by either another pass rusher or RB with the 33 pick. Chances Pouncey falls that far are slim but I would love to see him in a Pats uniform.

    We have the coach, the QB and the offense to make it far. How our young defense( the youngest in the league) matures and improves will be the deciding factor when it comes to how many superbowl trophies we wil be hosting in the next few years.
     
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    Re: Debunking the Brady Window Theory

    some peeps have been saying the same thing since 2006, even before going the Colt-way in 2007.
     
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