Defense Does Win Championships

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    False. NE scaled back the passing attack from 2007 to 2008 and ran more than they had in the previous last 3 seasons.

    Be careful, Joe. You're entering Babe/Troll Land at this point.

    Cassell didn't "feast" on anything. He hadn't played in a decade and was thrust into the lineup unexpectedly in Week 1.  He did shred Cardinals nice D however, a D that would be good enough to get to the SB in 2008.



    first off, I'm not entering troll land.

    second, 580 throws in 2007. 520 in 2008. "scaled back" 3 or 4 a game? thats soooo scaled back.

    Heres the rank of each D (total yards) Cassel had over 250 pass yards on....

    btw it happened 6 times:

    San Fran - 13

    St. Louis - 28

    Miami - 15

    NY Jets - 16

    Arizona- 19

    Seattle- 30

     

    those are the games here raked up the stats.

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    Maroney had the most carries of his career in NE in 2008. That's a fact. Yes, scaled back. Anyone and their mother who watched that season saw them run more than in recent years.

    Yes. Clearly. Wise move to try to help Cassel a bit. They realized they had to do it by Week 5.

    Again, Arizona went to the SB and had a good D that year, obviously. Arizona's D was pretty good and even SFs was pretty good back then.  Jets D was improving by 2008.

    Stop trying to disparage what Cassel did in 2008. It's pathetic. The kid hadn't played in a competitive game that counted in a decade!

     

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    Maroney had the most carries in his career in 2008.  That's a fact. REALLY?

    39 Laurence Maroney23 rb 3 3 28 93 0 17 3.3 31.0 9.3               93 0 0

    You are pathetic!

     

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    The fact Cassel's and Brady's numbers were so close in back to back seasons is disturbing.



    not really. Cassel feasted on bad defenses for his stats and also had on of the best WRs and best slot WR playing with him.

     

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    False. NE scaled back the passing attack from 2007 to 2008 and ran more than they had in the previous last 3 seasons.

    Be careful, Joe. You're entering Babe/Troll Land at this point.

    Cassell didn't "feast" on anything. He hadn't played in a decade and was thrust into the lineup unexpectedly in Week 1.  He did shred Cardinals nice D however, a D that would be good enough to get to the SB in 2008.

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      Mostly same receivers.  RB's Sammy Morris, Lamont Jordan, BGJE.  WOW super backs!
    Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa.  They ran more why?

    Wouldn't have anything to do with the QB would it?

    They beat the Cards because they didn't come to play, in the snow.

    And that's the only play-off team they beat with those super backs.  Bwahhhhhaaaaa.

     

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    Cassel hadn't played in a decade yet you're holding him to similar standards as Brady?

    Why is that? If Brady is the supposed GOAT in your eyes, why all the disaparaging and splitting hairs as to why Cassel didn't grow and play well in 2008?

    The board realizes you feverishly rub it out to your Brady dolls around the clock, but you're in the minority, Pinky.

    Go back to whatever team you rooted for before.   No real Pats fan was ever concerned about Brady's stats until 2007 and that was the year the pretty boy ditched Moynihan, went in cocky with Giselle and crapped himself, leaving Pats fans in shock he could be so poor in a SB.

    He would do it again, 4 years later with Giselle trying to cover for him.

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    BRADY HADN'T PLAYED IN A YEAR AND YOUR HOLDING HIM TO THE SAME STANDARDS AS BRADY.  Actually he had a better year than his SB years, with a better PR than 2004.

    Prior to 2004 Brady was never out of the 80's.

    And the 2009 team DEFENSE SUCKED!  Along with the next 4 years.  SUCKED!

    Defense wins championships and that's a fact!!!!!!!!!.  Not even disputable.

    A fact the greatest GM of all times needs to re-learn.  

     
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    The offense was clearly more balanced.  Total numbers also do not show the philosophy change that was obvious and deliberate once Cassel showed he couldn't pass 40 times a game and win like Brady did in 2007.

    Not hard to figure out.

     

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    well obviously it was more balenced. not surprising there. what are we even saying now...

     
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    False. NE scaled back the passing attack from 2007 to 2008 and ran more than they had in the previous last 3 seasons.

    Be careful, Joe. You're entering Babe/Troll Land at this point.

    Cassell didn't "feast" on anything. He hadn't played in a decade and was thrust into the lineup unexpectedly in Week 1.  He did shred Cardinals nice D however, a D that would be good enough to get to the SB in 2008.

     



    first off, I'm not entering troll land.

     

    second, 580 throws in 2007. 520 in 2008. "scaled back" 3 or 4 a game? thats soooo scaled back.

    Heres the rank of each D (total yards) Cassel had over 250 pass yards on....

    btw it happened 6 times:

    San Fran - 13

    St. Louis - 28

    Miami - 15

    NY Jets - 16

    Arizona- 19

    Seattle- 30

     

    those are the games here raked up the stats.

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    Maroney had the most carries of his career in NE in 2008. That's a fact. Yes, scaled back. Anyone and their mother who watched that season saw them run more than in recent years.

    Yes. Clearly. Wise move to try to help Cassel a bit. They realized they had to do it by Week 5.

    Again, Arizona went to the SB and had a good D that year, obviously. Arizona's D was pretty good and even SFs was pretty good back then.  Jets D was improving by 2008.

    Stop trying to disparage what Cassel did in 2008. It's pathetic. The kid hadn't played in a competitive game that counted in a decade!

     

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    Maroney had the most carries in his career in 2008.  That's a fact. REALLY?

    39 Laurence Maroney23 rb 3 3 28 93 0 17 3.3 31.0 9.3               93 0 0

    You are pathetic!

     

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    No one can even read those numbers. Enjoy!

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    Tromboney, only drunks can't read those numbers.

    you need help?

    2008 STATS

    3 GAMES, 28 ATTEMPTS, 93 YRDS. 3.3 YPC

    MOST CARRIES IN HIS CAREER. THAT'S A FACT!

    BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

     
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    In 2009, Maroney had the most carries of his career. In 2008, NE carried the ball 432 times between all backs.

    Morris did it in 2008, Maroney the more talented back was the lead back in 2009.

    I'd say at best it's a wash or a slight advantage for Brady with the more talented Maroney in 2009.

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    that one is up for opinion because personally I really liked Sammy Morris alot more than Maroney when he was here. Both weren't too good but Morris was better and more consistent imo

    but all in all, Cassel had worse stats than TB did since 2004 and had more weapons that TB did in 2001-2004 when they had equal stats.

    so yes Cassel did a great job stepping in, no doubt. but there was certainly a lot of help around him too

     
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    The offense was clearly more balanced.  Total numbers also do not show the philosophy change that was obvious and deliberate once Cassel showed he couldn't pass 40 times a game and win like Brady did in 2007.

    Not hard to figure out.

     

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    well obviously it was more balenced. not surprising there. what are we even saying now...

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    In 2009, Maroney had the most carries of his career. In 2008, NE carried the ball 432 times between all backs.

    Morris did it in 2008, Maroney the more talented back was the lead back in 2009.

    I'd say at best it's a wash or a slight advantage for Brady with the more talented Maroney in 2009.

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    Maroney had the most carries of his career in NE in 2008. That's a fact.

    Rusty Tromboney

     

     
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    2009, not 2008.  

    The point is, Cassel was protected in 2008 by a ton of RB carries spread out while Maroney had the most in 2009 als tyring to help Brady. There was no real difference other than Brady supposedly being far superior to Cassel. LMAO

    In each case, the QB was not that good. Cassel just over-achieved, while Brady kinda sucked. In fact, Brady lost 3 games in second halves not scoring any points or barely scoring.

    LOL

     



    Maroney had the most carries of his career in NE in 2008. That's a fact.

    Rusty Tromboney

    So now your changing it to 2009?  That's funny, it was 2008, which is what we were discussing until you got caught lying again.

    Go email Reiss, liar!

     
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    2009, not 2008.  

    The point is, Cassel was protected in 2008 by a ton of RB carries spread out while Maroney had the most in 2009 als tyring to help Brady. There was no real difference other than Brady supposedly being far superior to Cassel. LMAO

    In each case, the QB was not that good. Cassel just over-achieved, while Brady kinda sucked. In fact, Brady lost 3 games in second halves not scoring any points or barely scoring.

    LOL

     

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    Brady was statistically better in 2009 than 2004.  FACT  The difference is the D SUCKED

     
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    So, you're on record as saying the players who were starters on this D last year playing as well as they were with some impressive rookies like Ryan, Collins, Jones and Vellano, or evn Harmon, being back ups, who showed well behind the quality starters, has limited talent on it under contract in 2014?

    LOL!!

    Only Shizzles would be in such denial as Brady gets worse and worse every year as he gets older.

     

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    Brady is a much better QB now, then he was in the SB years.  Fact!

    The difference is the D is MUCH, MUCH, MUCH, WORSE!   FACT

     
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    I like Morris too. He was a good back up.  I just can't believe you and your group are so desperate to compare Cassel to Brady.

    If Brady is so great why are you comparing him to Cassel?

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    Me and my group? I'm not part of that 'group' you call. Im not.

    I'm not comparing him to Cassel at all. you were the one who said it was disturbing how the stats matched up.

    its the system dude. great team around the QB helps his confidence and development. Brady took it all to the elite level by making great plays that werent always expected. Cassel was a great game manager

     
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    Exactly. It is the system! Tell the BBWs that. They don't believe it. Clearly, Brady is superior to Cassel, but the system sets that QB up to succeed.

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    Yes, its the system but Brady has taken it at times and gone off this planet at times with his play. The same argument can be made for Montana and the WCOffense throughout his time.

    I think TB is either #1 or 2 all-time dont get me wrong here though

     
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    Where do you rank Steve Young?

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    I have no clue. somewhere around 4-6 or 7

     
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    Where do you rank Steve Young?

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    I have no clue. somewhere around 4-6 or 7

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    Steve Young is a hall of famer but he is not top 10 all time. I loved the guy but he was never the best in the league. His team was loaded year after year. Unlike the Pats the 49ers always had a top notch defense in their glory years.  The Pats have been lugging around a subpar D for years. The fact that once Talib gets hurt they go from good to awful is really kind of embarrasing.

     
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    2009, not 2008.  

    The point is, Cassel was protected in 2008 by a ton of RB carries spread out while Maroney had the most in 2009 als tyring to help Brady. There was no real difference other than Brady supposedly being far superior to Cassel. LMAO

    In each case, the QB was not that good. Cassel just over-achieved, while Brady kinda sucked. In fact, Brady lost 3 games in second halves not scoring any points or barely scoring.

    LOL

     

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    Brady was statistically better in 2009 than 2004.  FACT  The difference is the D SUCKED

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    Pezz, do you think Brady was better in 2009 then he was in 2004?

     
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    While the defense certainly has not played well enough to win a championship, the offense has scored 15.5 points per game in it's last 6 playoff losses. Would that have been good enough to win any of the last 20 or 30 Super Bowls? 

    No.

    Actually you have to go back to 1973 to find a game where 15.5 points would have been enough to win a Super Bowl. So, while we are pointing fingers, let's point one at the entire teams disappointing play on the biggest stage. 

     

    http://espn.go.com/nfl/superbowl/history/winners

     

    Super Bowl Winners and Results NO. DATE SITE RESULT I Jan. 15, 1967 Los Angeles Memorial Coliseum Green Bay 35, Kansas City 10 II Jan. 14, 1968 Orange Bowl (Miami) Green Bay 33, Oakland 14 III Jan. 12, 1969 Orange Bowl (Miami) New York Jets 16, Baltimore 7 IV Jan. 11, 1970 Tulane Stadium (New Orleans) Kansas City 23, Minnesota 7 V Jan. 17, 1971 Orange Bowl (Miami) Baltimore 16, Dallas 13 VI Jan. 16, 1972 Tulane Stadium (New Orleans) Dallas 24, Miami 3 VII Jan. 14, 1973 Los Angeles Memorial Coliseum Miami 14, Washington 7 VIII Jan. 13, 1974 Rice Stadium (Houston) Miami 24, Minnesota 7 IX Jan. 12, 1975 Tulane Stadium (New Orleans) Pittsburgh 16, Minnesota 6 X Jan. 18, 1976 Orange Bowl (Miami) Pittsburgh 21, Dallas 17 XI Jan. 9, 1977 Rose Bowl (Pasadena, Calif.) Oakland 32, Minnesota 14 XII Jan. 15, 1978 Superdome (New Orleans) Dallas 27, Denver 10 XIII Jan. 21, 1979 Orange Bowl (Miami) Pittsburgh 35, Dallas 31 XIV Jan. 20, 1980 Rose Bowl (Pasadena, Calif.) Pittsburgh 31, Los Angeles 19 XV Jan. 25, 1981 Superdome (New Orleans) Oakland 27, Philadelphia 10 XVI Jan. 24, 1982 Silverdome (Pontiac, Mich.) San Francisco 26, Cincinnati 21 XVII Jan. 30, 1983 Rose Bowl (Pasadena, Calif.) Washington 27, Miami 17 XVIII Jan. 22, 1984 Tampa (Fla.) Stadium Los Angeles 38, Washington 9 XIX Jan. 20, 1985 Stanford (Calif.) Stadium San Francisco 38, Miami 16 XX Jan. 26, 1986 Superdome (New Orleans) Chicago 46, New England 10 XXI Jan. 25, 1987 Rose Bowl (Pasadena, Calif.) New York Giants 39, Denver 20 XXII Jan. 31, 1988 Jack Murphy Stadium (San Diego) Washington 42, Denver 10 XXIII Jan. 22, 1989 Joe Robbie Stadium (Miami) San Francisco 20, Cincinnati 16 XXIV Jan. 28, 1990 Superdome (New Orleans) San Francisco 55, Denver 10 XXV Jan. 27, 1991 Tampa (Fla.) Stadium New York Giants 20, Buffalo 19 XXVI Jan. 26, 1992 Metrodome (Minneapolis) Washington 37, Buffalo 24 XXVII Jan. 31, 1993 Rose Bowl (Pasadena, Calif.) Dallas 52, Buffalo 17 XXVIII Jan. 30, 1994 Georgia Dome (Atlanta) Dallas 30, Buffalo 13 XXIX Jan. 29, 1995 Joe Robbie Stadium (Miami) San Francisco 49, San Diego 26 XXX Jan. 28, 1996 Sun Devil Stadium (Tempe, Ariz.) Dallas 27, Pittsburgh 17 XXXI Jan. 26, 1997 Superdome (New Orleans) Green Bay 35, New England 21 XXXII Jan. 25, 1998 Qualcomm Stadium (San Diego) Denver 31, Green Bay 24 XXXIII Jan. 31, 1999 Pro Player Stadium (Miami) Denver 34, Atlanta 19 XXXIV Jan. 30, 2000 Georgia Dome (Atlanta) St. Louis 23, Tennessee 16 XXXV Jan. 28, 2001 Raymond James Stadium (Tampa, Fla.) Baltimore 34, New York Giants 7 XXXVI Feb. 3, 2002 Superdome (New Orleans) New England 20, St. Louis 17 XXXVII Jan. 26, 2003 Qualcomm Stadium (San Diego) Tampa Bay 48, Oakland 21 XXXVIII Feb. 1, 2004 Reliant Stadium (Houston) New England 32, Carolina 29 XXXIX Feb. 6, 2005 Alltel Stadium (Jacksonville, Fla.) New England 24, Philadelphia 21 XL Feb. 5, 2006 Ford Field (Detroit) Pittsburgh 21, Seattle 10 XLI Feb. 4, 2007 Dolphin Stadium (Miami) Indianapolis 29, Chicago 17 XLII Feb. 3, 2008 University of Phoenix Stadium (Glendale, Ariz.) New York Giants 17, New England 14 XLIII Feb. 1, 2009 Raymond James Stadium (Tampa, Fla.) Pittsburgh Steelers 27, Arizona Cardinals 23 XLIV Feb. 7, 2010 Sun Life Stadium (Miami) New Orleans Saints 31, Indianapolis Colts 17 XLV Feb. 6, 2011 Cowboys Stadium (Arlington, Texas) Green Bay Packers 31, Pittsburgh Steelers 25 XLVI Feb. 5, 2012 Lucas Oil Stadium (Indianapolis) New York Giants 21, New England Patriots 17 XLVII Feb. 3, 2013 Mercedes-Benz Superdome (New Orleans) Baltimore Ravens 34, San Francisco 49ers 31 XLVIII Feb. 2, 2014 MetLife Stadium (East Rutherford, N.J.) Seattle Seahawks 43, Denver Broncos 8

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    No other thoughts on what our offense has done in our last 6 post season losses? 15.5 ppg scored isn't good enough to beat any of the last 40 Super Bowl champions. That was Four Zero. Our defense would have had to hold the opposing teams we lost to less points then the last 40 super bowl winners have scored in order for us to win our last game of the season for the last 6 years. In this case defense wins championships, and offense loses them?!?!

     

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