defense' success v. Colts will dictate spikes future

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    Spikes role as inspirational leader and standout player should be missed this weekend...

    The degree to which is relevant to the discussion of his contract status.

    If pats can play a solid defensive game plan without spikes in there, then it would appear they have the depth (and maybe more important the leadership )to perhaps  let let him walk in free agency.

    If however, this game shows an exposed unit that has no ability to make plays and get off the field....  Then it will show spikes' value to this team.  Even in victory the D needs to continue playing with the confidence and show the athleticism and aggressiveness that spikes delivered.

    Its hard to quantify the impact exactly.but IMO the overall performance this week  (and the following) will say a lot.

     

     

     
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    Spikes role as inspirational leader and standout player should be missed this weekend...

    The degree to which is relevant to the discussion of his contract status.

    If pats can play a solid defensive game plan without spikes in there, then it would appear they have the depth (and maybe more important the leadership )to perhaps  let let him walk in free agency.

    If however, this game shows an exposed unit that has no ability to make plays and get off the field....  Then it will show spikes' value to this team.  Even in victory the D needs to continue playing with the confidence and show the athleticism and aggressiveness that spikes delivered.

    Its hard to quantify the impact exactly.but IMO the overall performance this week  (and the following) will say a lot.

     

     



    rather they judge his worth on the full body of work. This game is important and I would hate to lose but sustained excellence is most important thing.

     
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    The warning signs were out on Spikes the moment they drafted Dont'a. When they got Collins and played him exclusively at LB, the fat lady sang.

     

    Mayo and Collins are athletic LBs who can cover in space and are well suited at OLB, Dont'a and Brandon are big physical run-stuffing bruisers with limited range. Someone's gotta go...

     
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    I doubt very much if the team's performance while Spikes is not in uniform will have any effect whatsoever on the Pats intentions.  BB has more than enough to determine how far he's prepared to go to keep him in a Pats uniform.  Providing, of course, that BB intends to do so.

     
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    Spikes is gone unless he signs a very favorable deal, Hightower plays the same position but can play all three downs better than the two downs Spikes can play.  Spikes worked out this off season to improve his range but the reality is he is still a run stuffer and can play some zone D, the Pats would never show the same confidence in Spikes thatthey show in Donta' to get out there in man coverage because Spikes just doesn't have that range.  Hightower is bigger, stronger, younger and more athletic...

     
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    To me....  This week is the proving ground for all your theories.  If he is indeed gone, then you should see a  functional unit and solid performance.

    If not then pats should reconsider letting him go.

     
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    To me....  This week is the proving ground for all your theories.  If he is indeed gone, then you should see a  functional unit and solid performance.

    If not then pats should reconsider letting him go.



    We're still woefully thin on defense, I agree that if Siliga and the rest remain healthy this defense will perform, but even little injuries at this point will hurt us. 

    Next year's starting three in the 4/3 will be Hightower in the middle, Collins on the strong side and Mayo on the weakside.  The starting four in a 3/4 would be Chandler Jones at the elephant end, Mayo and Hightower in the middle with Collins and Ninc holding down the other end and rotating in for Chandler when more coverage was needed.  Fletcher provides depth across the board.

    The Pats should reconsider letting him go if the market isn't there for him and we can get him cheap or on the off chance he loves playing for BB and will take a hometown discount.  I've always loved Spikes and the attitude he brings, but you have to be prepared for a player leaving for greener pastures even if they don't.

     
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    Spikes role as inspirational leader and standout player should be missed this weekend...

    The degree to which is relevant to the discussion of his contract status.

    If pats can play a solid defensive game plan without spikes in there, then it would appear they have the depth (and maybe more important the leadership )to perhaps  let let him walk in free agency.

    If however, this game shows an exposed unit that has no ability to make plays and get off the field....  Then it will show spikes' value to this team.  Even in victory the D needs to continue playing with the confidence and show the athleticism and aggressiveness that spikes delivered.

    Its hard to quantify the impact exactly.but IMO the overall performance this week  (and the following) will say a lot.

     

     




    I tend to agree somewhat but its hard to guage Spikes with no mayo, fork,etc. When we were subbing in Spikes just to stop the run on running downs when noone else could and HE did make the stops. Thats when his value to the team should have been realized. The Collins pick as well as Mayo returning and Fletcher staying healthy will be bigger factors IMO, but I agree somewhat, Just not this week. I feel if we survived Lynch and the Seahawks or something maybe I would say you can factor it in,but Colts run the ball but are likely to pass against us.

     
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    Spikes is gone unless he signs a very favorable deal, Hightower plays the same position but can play all three downs better than the two downs Spikes can play.  Spikes worked out this off season to improve his range but the reality is he is still a run stuffer and can play some zone D, the Pats would never show the same confidence in Spikes thatthey show in Donta' to get out there in man coverage because Spikes just doesn't have that range.  Hightower is bigger, stronger, younger and more athletic...



    Hightower may be "bigger,stronger, younger and more athletic" than Spikes but he has trouble getting off blocks, is really slow and can't cover anyone. The way I see it this is a passing league and they both have their limitations.

     
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    I think they made the decision not resign Spikes when he stayed down in Florida to workout this summer rather than be here. Of course there was also the questionable tweets on twitter last year...his pre draft porn video and the fact that he is a two down player. They got something out of him - which is more than you can say for a lot of our picks - time to move on.

     I liked his toughness, his size, his attitude...honestly I think they should of had him blitzing/rushing more...I thought he had a real knack for it. I bet wherever he goes he will do more of it - the thing is though, can this guy stay healthy? He's been hurt every year he's played and doesn't exactly keep himself in tip top shape.

     
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    To me....  This week is the proving ground for all your theories.  If he is indeed gone, then you should see a  functional unit and solid performance.

    If not then pats should reconsider letting him go.




    Of course much of that depends on how much him and his agent think he can get on the FA market. it's a good/bad thing for us that other teams like to get their hands on LBs coached by Bill and Pepper. Good that they can develope talent/bad that once that talent matures and they become FAs other teams throw buckets of money at them.

     
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    Spikes is gone unless he signs a very favorable deal, Hightower plays the same position but can play all three downs better than the two downs Spikes can play.  Spikes worked out this off season to improve his range but the reality is he is still a run stuffer and can play some zone D, the Pats would never show the same confidence in Spikes thatthey show in Donta' to get out there in man coverage because Spikes just doesn't have that range.  Hightower is bigger, stronger, younger and more athletic...



    Hightower may be "bigger,stronger, younger and more athletic" than Spikes but he has trouble getting off blocks, is really slow and can't cover anyone. The way I see it they both have their limitations.




    exactly. Hightower hasnt done any better than Spikes in coverage and has a big dissapointment defending the run. I like Collins but if hightower takes over for Spikes, we dont know what to expect. Hightower HAS gotten better at the end of the year but im not exactly excited about him yet. I like Collins and Mayo returning in our subpackage and will wait and see how he performs in the base D and which spot he will man

     
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    Interesting read on Spikes

    http://www.nepatriotsdraft.com/2013/09/what-does-the-future-hold-for-patriots-linebacker-brandon-spikes.html

     
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    To me....  This week is the proving ground for all your theories.  If he is indeed gone, then you should see a  functional unit and solid performance.

    If not then pats should reconsider letting him go.




    Of course much of that depends on how much him and his agent think he can get on the FA market. it's a good/bad thing for us that other teams like to get their hands on LBs coached by Bill and Pepper. Good that they can develope talent/bad that once that talent matures and they become FAs other teams throw buckets of money at them.




    They could have maybe extended him during the season...?   Doesn't that usually mean you get a favorable discount?    Not sure if that was ever on the table but the default position seems to work against the Patriots .   This isn't Welker.  this is a core Defensive player.  Having the injuries tends to cause a discount as well.    Does the IR itself mean anything...?   Like, why shut him down if youre not intending to keep him. ..? (not sure if injury was aggravated...  but his knee has bothered him for a while.)

     
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    To me....  This week is the proving ground for all your theories.  If he is indeed gone, then you should see a  functional unit and solid performance.

    If not then pats should reconsider letting him go.

     




    Of course much of that depends on how much him and his agent think he can get on the FA market. it's a good/bad thing for us that other teams like to get their hands on LBs coached by Bill and Pepper. Good that they can develope talent/bad that once that talent matures and they become FAs other teams throw buckets of money at them.

     




    They could have maybe extended him during the season...?   Doesn't that usually mean you get a favorable discount?    Not sure if that was ever on the table but the default position seems to work against the Patriots .   This isn't Welker.  this is a core Defensive player.  Having the injuries tends to cause a discount as well.    Does the IR itself mean anything...?   Like, why shut him down if youre not intending to keep him. ..? (not sure if injury was aggravated...  but his knee has bothered him for a while.)




    The Pats don't normally do contract talks during ther season. He was likely shut down because his affectiveness was dropping week by week. The injury was probably getting worse or it could be the cold weather wasn't helping. Who really knows? He could have decided himself that continued play was beginning to threaten his future.

    We all know that as Pats fans knowing what really went on won't happen while the team is still playing. The worlds governments wish they had the level of secrecy that the Pats injuries have.

     
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    Re: defense' success v. Colts will dictate spikes future

    IMO, the Colts-Patriots game has no bearing on Spikes at all.  It will boil down to BB's thoughts on Spikes impact/role on the defense, his injury, and dollar value.

     
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    IMO, the Colts-Patriots game has no bearing on Spikes at all.  It will boil down to BB's thoughts on Spikes impact/role on the defense, his injury, and dollar value.




    disagree 100%.    Unless you're Hurlman,  not sure if anyone's mind is made up on Spikes.    And if not... How can you discount the very next game after he goes out.....?   If ever ther was a time to evaluate the value of a player it is then...   as in this week against INdy.    Indy is a passing team...  but I guaran-f'n-tee   they will be running the ball this weekend .  WilforkKellyMayoSPikes is too many up the middle studs missing to ignore if you're INDY OC.....  IMO.

     
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    IMO, the Colts-Patriots game has no bearing on Spikes at all.  It will boil down to BB's thoughts on Spikes impact/role on the defense, his injury, and dollar value.




    disagree 100%.    Unless you're Hurlman,  not sure if anyone's mind is made up on Spikes.    And if not... How can you discount the very next game after he goes out.....?   If ever ther was a time to evaluate the value of a player it is then...   as in this week against INdy.    Indy is a passing team...  but I guaran-f'n-tee   they will be running the ball this weekend .  WilforkKellyMayoSPikes is too many up the middle studs missing to ignore if you're INDY OC.....  IMO.



    so, win or lose - spikes not even being on the field will determine his fate. Nope, don't buy it.  We'll have to agree to disagree.

     
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    IMO, the Colts-Patriots game has no bearing on Spikes at all.  It will boil down to BB's thoughts on Spikes impact/role on the defense, his injury, and dollar value.




    disagree 100%.    Unless you're Hurlman,  not sure if anyone's mind is made up on Spikes.    And if not... How can you discount the very next game after he goes out.....?   If ever ther was a time to evaluate the value of a player it is then...   as in this week against INdy.    Indy is a passing team...  but I guaran-f'n-tee   they will be running the ball this weekend .  WilforkKellyMayoSPikes is too many up the middle studs missing to ignore if you're INDY OC.....  IMO.



    so, win or lose - spikes not even being on the field will determine his fate. Nope, don't buy it.  We'll have to agree to disagree.




    YOu compare film....    Spikes fills the hole on a 4th down....  Spikes dives in the backfield and trips up the RB....   Spikes uses his instincts to tip a ball in coverage...   Next week same situation....?    It's right there to compare.

     
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    IMO, the Colts-Patriots game has no bearing on Spikes at all.  It will boil down to BB's thoughts on Spikes impact/role on the defense, his injury, and dollar value.



    THIS!

     
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    YOu compare film....    Spikes fills the hole on a 4th down....  Spikes dives in the backfield and trips up the RB....   Spikes uses his instincts to tip a ball in coverage...   Next week same situation....?    It's right there to compare.

     



    Let me rephrase.  Film has nothing to do with Spikes at this point.  Spike's season is over.  BB is most concerned about winning the next game with the players currentlyon the roster. BB isn't thinking about Spikes at this moment.

     

    Come Monday, February 3rd, 2014 - BB's priority will be to build a "new" team for the 2014 regular season. He's likely to consider the factors mentioned in my first post - relative to the players that are likely to come back from injuries (like Mayo and Wilfork).

    So, let's say BB is interested, and Spike's asks for a jillion dollars.  I'm pretty sure BB will say goodbye.

    Let's say the team doctor says there's permanent damage to Spikes knee and that the doc says - he's gonna run slower than Brady. I'm pretty sure BB will say goodbye.

    Let's say BB finds someone to do Spike's job for half the price, like Collins.  I'm pretty sure BB will say goodbye.

     

     
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    What few are considering here is how often Spikes went over to AH's funhouse off campus for rec time...if Spikes, or several others, get called as witnesses at AH's trial (and the Pats know, by now, who went over there and what they know) there is a good chance they won't be back...there's no way someone who may not be willing to take a lesser contract AND who has bad  press hanging over his head is likely to be brought...AH and Spikes were more chummy off the field than most any other Pat was to AH




    Pretty slimy way to conduct your personnel decisions... if that were true.  AH is ancient history.  No reason to smear other players with it.    Would be adding stupidity to a sad situation.

     
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    agree.. If Collins and Hightower look like rookies and have many breakdowns and cant stop the run or cover, I think BB may think that resigning Spikes is kind of necessary to give the young ones time to develop.

    with that said, I think Hightower and Collins will do fine this weekend and unless they absolutly fall apart Saturday it will show we may not need him.

    I love SPikes, good player, brings a lot of attitude to the D, and he is a great run stuffer. We he wants to be here I think BB could find a deal that is player and team friendly but I feel Spikes is looking to make bank.. so I'm not confident in his return

     
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    Spikes is gone unless he signs a very favorable deal, Hightower plays the same position but can play all three downs better than the two downs Spikes can play.  Spikes worked out this off season to improve his range but the reality is he is still a run stuffer and can play some zone D, the Pats would never show the same confidence in Spikes thatthey show in Donta' to get out there in man coverage because Spikes just doesn't have that range.  Hightower is bigger, stronger, younger and more athletic...



    Hightower may be "bigger,stronger, younger and more athletic" than Spikes but he has trouble getting off blocks, is really slow and can't cover anyone. The way I see it they both have their limitations.




    exactly. Hightower hasnt done any better than Spikes in coverage and has a big dissapointment defending the run. I like Collins but if hightower takes over for Spikes, we dont know what to expect. Hightower HAS gotten better at the end of the year but im not exactly excited about him yet. I like Collins and Mayo returning in our subpackage and will wait and see how he performs in the base D and which spot he will man

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    Dont'a Hightower lacks some of the subtle notes—he does weigh 270 pounds—that bring out the flavor in Jerod Mayo’s play, but his game has grown as the 2013 NFL season has progressed.

     

    When Mayo was placed on injured reserve with a torn pectoral muscle after their Week 5 win over the New Orleans Saints, Hightower had to assume a new role in thePatriots defense. He replaced Mayo as the link between coaches and players on the field—a job he has shared at times with safety Steve Gregory—the green dot on his helmet signifying the communication device embedded within.

     

    The transition was anything but seamless.

     

    While communication might not have suffered, Hightower’s play did. It didn't always show up on the stat sheet, but the former first-round pick looked tentative.  According to Patriots coaches, he notched only nine total tackles against the Pittsburgh Steelers andCarolina Panthers. He was then relieved of his duties in the second half against the Denver Broncos, replaced by Dane Fletcher.

     

    Perhaps Mayo's absence was having more than just a physical effect. I spoke with Hightower during training camp about what Jerod Mayo meant to him:

     

     

    Mayo has been in this defense for a while now. He knows every position, not just the linebackers and the defensive line. He knows what the cornerbacks and the safeties have to do. Having him in the linebacker room and as a close friend, it feels good to have that guy in your back pocket.

     

    With Mayo gone, that responsibility fell to Hightower. He was responsible for helping others, as opposed to getting help. He was making the calls, rather than hearing them. You could see him taking that extra split-second to think about what to do, rather than reacting to the play in front of him.

     

    Fortunately for the Patriots defense, it looks like the talented Mike linebacker has overcome that hurdle and is taking some steps forward. According to Pro Football Focus (subscription required), Hightower has played his best football over the last two weeks. He earned a plus-3.3 rating against the Cleveland Browns and a plus-2.2 against the Dolphins.

     

    Here is a play showcasing Hightower's quicker decisions.

     

    NFL Game Rewind

     

    The Patriots are lined up in a 4-2-5 nickel formation. Hightower and Brandon Spikes are the linebackers. The Dolphins have four receivers split out wide and running back Lamar Miller in the backfield.

     

    NFL Game Rewind

     

    Hightower observed the offensive linemen initially use pass-blocking footwork. He therefore refrained from breaking on the ball and stayed deep enough to affect the throwing lanes if quarterback Ryan Tannehill pulls the ball out and looks to pass.

     

    NFL Game Rewind

     

    Once Hightower read the run, however, he didn't hesitate. He exploded out of his stance and took a perfect angle to the ball. In order to set up the cutback lane, Miller is trying to keep Spikes close to the left hash mark and away from the hole.

     

    NFL Game Rewind

     

    Unfortunately for Miami, Hightower—due to his quick decision and perfect read—was able to get to Miller before he could cut back. He tackled Miller for a meager one-yard gain, and the Patriots forced a Miami punt after their third-down pass came up short of the sticks.

     

    Without any Mayo, the Patriots defense might seem a little dry. However, if Hightower can build on his strong recent performances, he can certainly enhance the flavor of what defensive coordinator Matt Patricia is serving on game day

     

     

     
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