Defense whiners giving Brady a free pass?

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    Defense whiners giving Brady a free pass?

     I was just wondering what game you all were watching yesterday. In the one I watched the Pats lost by 3 with Brady being personally responsible for a ten point spread. Some of you guys are as bad as the morons at the Globe who somehow thought that a 4 int game which included a red zone int that never should have been thrown -3 points and a pick 6 -7 points earned brady a B. You guys are pathetic.
     
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    Re: Defense whiners giving Brady a free pass?

    Blame is mostly on Brady here, 4 INT's is uneceptable. Now I know that one/two of those INT's where terribly unlucky/amazing plays but still, you don't win many games where your Qb throws 4 INT's.

    To be in it with 3 minutes to go is a feat in on itself. Yes the defense struggled but if Brady had thrown less picks, this game would have been in the bag.

    Hell, we are looking at the very least a 13 point swing off of 3 INT's.

    Thankfully, Brady will not have this type of game again for a very long time.

     
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    Absolutely right.  Pats win easy if Brady doesn't throw those picks.

     
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    Agree, you are right, too many chances for the bills...

     

     
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    the ints were flukey or just good plays by the bills. the offense put up over thirty points. the d stinnks like feet
     
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    the ints were flukey or just good plays by the bills. the offense put up over thirty points. the d stinnks like feet
    Posted by patthepatriot666


    Do you realize who put the Bills in good field position and killed potentially scoring drives?

    We had the chance to go up 28-0 or at the very least 24-0 by halftime. That pick six was terrible.
     
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    Re: Defense whiners giving Brady a free pass?

    The Patriots are one of the few teams that can turn the ball over multiple times and still win the game. Unfortunately, they fell short on this one. Thankfully, they don't have these kind of games very often.

    I give Brady a pass because he's Tom Freaking Brady.

     
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     I was just wondering what game you all were watching yesterday. In the one I watched the Pats lost by 3 with Brady being personally responsible for a ten point spread. Some of you guys are as bad as the morons at the Globe who somehow thought that a 4 int game which included a red zone int that never should have been thrown -3 points and a pick 6 -7 points earned brady a B. You guys are pathetic.
    Posted by Evil2012


    So basically you expect perfection from the QB - the lame-duck, instant scapegoat.  He's not entitled to have an imperfect game every once in a while but it's ok if the defense allows the opposing team to make every single critical first down that eventually translated into a score for the opponent.

    You do realize that without Brady, imperfect as he is, we would most likely NOT have won the first 2 games, right?  Every once in a while you'd like your defense to step up and make plays when the pressure's on.  It just really didn't happen yesterday.  There was one possesion after the int where Buf had possession at their own 6 for chrissakes and they drove it effortlessly across the field.  Is it too much to ask to (since they had the entire field to do it) maybe even for just this once, make a critical stop?  

    No way am I implying that this D is worthless.  It could be any one of the cliches - key personnel missing, haven't gelled as a team yet, lousy play-calling.  Who knows, they probably all are genuine legitimate reasons why the D hasn't performed to its potential, perceived or otherwise.  I'm not expecting our D to be in the '85 Bears, just maybe make a play when our "imperfect" QB happens to live up to this moniker.

    There still are a lot more games to be played and let's be honest, how many of you expected the Pats to go 16-0 this year anyway.  It's one loss.  And yes, it's a loss against a good team - you can't deny that the Bills are worlds better than they were last year.  And we'd lose again, maybe more than once.  Just don't go ape$ hit over it.  As long as we can win enough games to make it to the PO, we'd be fine.
     
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    Absolutely right.  Pats win easy if Brady doesn't throw those picks.
    Posted by themightypatriotz


    That's correct
     
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    In Response to Defense whiners giving Brady a free pass? : So basically you expect perfection from the QB - the lame-duck, instant scapegoat.  He's not entitled to have an imperfect game every once in a while but it's ok if the defense allows the opposing team to make every single critical first down that eventually translated into a score for the opponent. You do realize that without Brady, imperfect as he is, we would most likely NOT have won the first 2 games, right?  Every once in a while you'd like your defense to step up and make plays when the pressure's on.  It just really didn't happen yesterday.  There was one possesion after the int where Buf had possession at their own 6 for chrissakes and they drove it effortlessly across the field.  Is it too much to ask to (since they had the entire field to do it) maybe even for just this once, make a critical stop?   No way am I implying that this D is worthless.  It could be any one of the cliches - key personnel missing, haven't gelled as a team yet, lousy play-calling.  Who knows, they probably all are genuine legitimate reasons why the D hasn't performed to its potential, perceived or otherwise.  I'm not expecting our D to be in the '85 Bears, just maybe make a play when our "imperfect" QB happens to live up to this moniker. There still are a lot more games to be played and let's be honest, how many of you expected the Pats to go 16-0 this year anyway.  It's one loss.  And yes, it's a loss against a good team - you can't deny that the Bills are worlds better than they were last year.  And we'd lose again, maybe more than once.  Just don't go ape$ hit over it.  As long as we can win enough games to make it to the PO, we'd be fine.
    Posted by dastardly


    No, Brady is perfect.  That's why he's allowed to have bad games.  Fans just have to be grateful for whatever he gives us. 
     
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    Lets try this one out....Brady doesn't throw 4 picks if he doesn't throw 45 times?!?!?!?!?!
     
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    Re: Defense whiners giving Brady a free pass?

    Yes god forbid we actually want a defense that can win a game for the team when the MVP QB has an off day.  How many times has the offense won a game in the last 3 years (oops ran out of fingers and toes to count).  How many times has the defense won a game in the last 3 years (hmm plenty of fingers and toes left over).

    Great defenses rise up to meet challenges like turnovers on their side of the field, they  don't fold like a lawn chair. If it makes you feel better about the D to make excuses for them, then so be it.  Can't wait for next week when they give up another 35 points to see what excuses you come up with for them.
     
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    The problem here is there are some of us who would like the defense to pull out a game.  4 ints. are a lot to over come but the defense had it's time to shine and failed.  One just wants the defense to pull one out, to over come what ever mishaps occurs on offense.  We can't expect TB to be great day in and day out but the defense has to be able to pull one out.  When a team is down 21 zip you know they are going to the air.  The defense is a concern and shouldn't be pushed to the side like it's some kind of anomaly.

     
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    Re: Defense whiners giving Brady a free pass?

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    In Response to Defense whiners giving Brady a free pass? : It's almost like we are observing a bunch of freaks in a mental ward through a one way mirror to study their behavior. They've been doing it for over 48 hours and simply refuse to lay any blame on the fundamental, longstanding flaw of this pass happy/pass first offense. They apparently need more examples to believe it.
    Posted by RidingWithTheKing


    No one is giving a free pass.  It is obvious that the Patriots would have won if Brady hadn't thrown the picks, but that doesn't mean the defense played THAT well.  With the game tied they allowed the Bills to drive from their 20 to the Patriots 1 yard line in 3 plays.  That is not good defense.  As for the complaining about the offense it is a fact that in the Superbowl winning seasons that the Patriots averaged less Time of Possession per game than they did in 2007-2009 with last year being the only exception. They won the Time of Possession battle against Buffalo so complaining about the passing offense ignoring time of possession is wrong.  Apologists for the defense consistently argue that it's points and not yards that matter, but somehow the fact that the offense has consistently scored more points than most offenses in the league for the past 5 years is meaningless and clearly it's the offense's fault when the patriots lose.

    I agree that it's early in the season and the defense can get better.  I don't think the patriots are screwed for sure like many of the other people who complain about the D.  But to argue that the defense has been anywhere near adequate up to this point is folly.


     
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    Re: Defense whiners giving Brady a free pass?

    Our D has gone from a bend but dont break to a bend and hope we dont break.  The league knows it and with the game called the way it is now our philosophies on defense are now ineffective.

    With that in mind, The team is designed for Brady to unanimously win MVP year in and year out, or watch the Patriots win 9-11 games.  We have players on this defense, they aren't being utilized like previous players of the past.  We need a defensive coordinator who can fix this or it probably wont change.  We can give it time and expect improvements, but Great QBs and Big Athletic recievers will continue to have success against us.

    If Brady throws 3+ picks in a game we lose, its his fault we loss.  He HAS TO BE PERFECT for this team.
     
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     I was just wondering what game you all were watching yesterday. In the one I watched the Pats lost by 3 with Brady being personally responsible for a ten point spread. Some of you guys are as bad as the morons at the Globe who somehow thought that a 4 int game which included a red zone int that never should have been thrown -3 points and a pick 6 -7 points earned brady a B. You guys are pathetic.
    Posted by Evil2012


    If anyone deserves a FREE PASS IN NFL its BRADY.
     
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     I don't recall saying he had to be perfect. But....the INT he threw in the red zone never should have been attempted. There were 2 Bills in line between him and Gronk. A two year old could have intercepted it. The same goes for the pick 6 where he also threw the ball into tight double coverage.
     
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    Re: Defense whiners giving Brady a free pass?

    OK, it's easy to see that Brady contributed an awful lot to this loss.  BUT, and it's a big BUT, it's also easy to see why fans are quick to rip the defense:

    1. Brady is among the best QB's to play the game.  How total body of work is superb.  He can have a bad game and most fans will assume it is just that...a bad game.  Game as in singular, doesn't happen often.

    2. Our defense is nothing special, and hasn't been anything to brag about in a while.  Our pass defense is bad (I would have wagered it would be good this year).  The defense hasn't earned the "free pass" that Brady gets.  Brady has a pocket full of free passes that he's earned.  The defense does not.  The defense has done nothing to make one think "it was just a bad game", game as in singular, won't happen often.

    So yeah, you're right about many giving Brady a free pass, but for a reason.

    I maintain hope that our defense will become good enough to "win" a game for us when Brady has a bad day.  Rest assured, we will not see a Lombardi until the D can also win a game for us.  There will be at least one playoff team that will have a D good enough to make Brady have a bad game.  We need to win even when he's off.  Besides, the offense still put up 31 points despite the problems Brady had. Brady put up 31 points on a bad day LOL.
     
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    Re: Defense whiners giving Brady a free pass?

    Brady, to say the least, did not have a good game. Having said that the offense still put up 31 points.  The real problem is every aspect of the defense.  The defese could not stop any one Sunday, and has been an ongoing problems for a number of years.  I donot see pressur from the defensive line (or run stopping ability) and the linebackers and secondary are beyond lousy.  If the "D" could stop any one they would have probably won the game
     
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    Re: Defense whiners giving Brady a free pass?

    throwing 1 or 2 picks in a game proves your human. throwing 4 picks in a game is unacceptable no matter who you are. the pats D isn't yet what it will be in the future, but they forced turnovers and allowed the team to take a commanding lead. the pick 6 makes this argument undebatable.

    with that said and done, brady is the greates qb on the planet and is currently on pace to shatter marino's single season yards record and potentially his own 50 TD record. it was a fluke half for brady, and i'd be surprised if he throws 4 more td's for the rest of the season.
     
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