Defense whiners giving Brady a free pass?

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    Lmao! you ppl are so funny. SB year, Brady tosses 4 picks. we loose 31-0. and go on to win the SB.

    Moral of the story?

    Last sunday was not the superbowl, calm down and relax. there's a reason you aren't a 5 time SB winning coach.

     
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    Blame is mostly on Brady here, 4 INT's is uneceptable. Now I know that one/two of those INT's where terribly unlucky/amazing plays but still, you don't win many games where your Qb throws 4 INT's. To be in it with 3 minutes to go is a feat in on itself. Yes the defense struggled but if Brady had thrown less picks, this game would have been in the bag. Hell, we are looking at the very least a 13 point swing off of 3 INT's. Thankfully, Brady will not have this type of game again for a very long time.
    Posted by GadisRKO


    Yeah you're right, you don't win many games that your QB throws four interceptions. Unfortunately you don't lose many games that your QB throws four touchdown passes...unless your defense is a problem.
     
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    It DOES NOT MATTER, Idiot! Oh my god are you stupid. That's why I pointed it out. Oh my good god, you just can;t make this up. You just can't. Read a book, Tom. Really. You're making a fool out of yourself. You're about one step away from Phat Rex/Haverhill Bob World. Brady didn't "mask" anything on Sunday, dumbo.  He lost us the game.
    Posted by RidingWithTheKing


    Yep. INT's increase QB ratings. Just like the 1st 2 games when Brady threw a whopping 1 pick. LOL excuse maker extradonaire Rusty. Their pass D has not been good this year so far. It's poor. If it does not get signifigantly better they won't be winning a SB. It's not that hard to comprehend but you just sit and ignore the elephant in the room.
     
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    In Response to Re: Defense whiners giving Brady a free pass? : Yep. INT's increase QB ratings. Just like the 1st 2 games when Brady threw a whopping 1 pick. LOL excuse maker extradonaire Rusty. Their pass D has not been good this year so far. It's poor. If it does not get signifigantly better they won't be winning a SB. It's not that hard to comprehend but you just sit and ignore the elephant in the room.
    Posted by tompenny

    His point is that BB's defense never peaks this early.  Right now, statistically, they're in the bottom third of the league, but not dead last.  They'll improve throughout the season; this has been their pattern for the past 11 years.  There's no reason to believe it won't continue this year.

    Our offense, on the other hand, rarely improves as the year goes on.  Since our last Super Bowl win, in fact, it has gotten more and more one-dimensional and predictable.  It's exciting as all hell in September and October, but it hasn't been getting the job done in January.

    We want to see improvements on BOTH sides of the ball as the year goes on.  The defense historically has improved.  The offense historically has not.
     
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     How about some stats. The Bills were only 36% on 3rd down conversions--not too bad They had the ball 11 times and had to punt 5 times. With 2 INTs that means they scored points on 5 posessions. Two were field goals after being stopped by the D. Not great but not too bad again. Bottom line is the D held two of the top 5 offensive teams under 30 in this the new offense NFL. It was enough to win against San Diego and should have been enough to beat the Bills. The defense is definately lacking but you cannot honestly blame them for this loss.
    Posted by Evil2012


    Interesting.  This equates to 2.45 points allowed per drive.  The league median points allowed per drive is 1.84 (Denver, #16) or 1.91 (Arizona, #17).   

    2.45 points allowed per drive is the same as the Colts’ season average, who rank #29 in this category.
      So Sunday’s defensive performance against the Bills was actually pretty bad, statistically.   

    So far this season the Pats are #20 in points allowed per drive at 2.14.  
     

    The Detroit Lions are #1 at 0.64 points allowed per drive allowed.

    http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/drivestats
     
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    In Response to Re: Defense whiners giving Brady a free pass? : Psst.  You fail at math.  22nd out of 32 teams is, indeed, 11th worst.
    Posted by MattC05


    Right you are.  The point was actually that he thought that was a good thing.  I don't want either. 
     
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    In 2010:
    Brady's 9:1 touchdown-to-interception ratio (36:4) would break his own single-season record of 6.25:1, which he set in 2007. No other qualifying quarterback in NFL history has had a 6:1 touchdown-to-interception ratio for a season. Brady threw for 3,900 yards with 36 touchdowns and just four interceptions. He had an 111.0 passer rating, giving him two of the top five season ratings in NFL history, and making him the first player to finish with a rating above 110 in two different seasons.

    So basically, Brady does have to play perfect football for the Pats to win.
     
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    In Response to Re: Defense whiners giving Brady a free pass? : Interesting.   This equates to 2.45 points allowed per drive.   The league median points allowed per drive is 1.84 (Denver, #16) or 1.91 (Arizona, #17).      2.45 points allowed per drive is the same as the Colts’ season average, who rank #29 in this category.   So Sunday’s defensive performance against the Bills was actually pretty bad, statistically.      So far this season the Pats are #20 in points allowed per drive at 2.14.      The Detroit Lions are #1 at 0.64 points allowed per drive allowed. http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/drivestats
    Posted by themightypatriotz


    No it was Brady's fault and the fact that they didn't rush for 12 more yards.  We will never win a superbowl with Brady at the helm.  With the way our defense is, we could plug in any other QB and run the table.
     
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    Yep, everyone that shows your lack of football knowledge is a troll.  Wow, there's you and 1000 trolls here.  Brady is awful!
     
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    In Response to Re: Defense whiners giving Brady a free pass? : It's not "piling on" it's pointing out perspective with contexts and facts to show how stupid the "Our D Stinks" crowd looks. I said on Monday, great players have bad games. It happens. What's shocking, is the Brady ballwashers can't admit that.
    Posted by RidingWithTheKing


    Great players do have bad games. It happens. However, the defense lacks great players (Mayo and Wilfork are not game-changers and McCourty has been not been what he was last year) and good to mediocre players have bad games a lot more often. The offense has been carrying the defense for five seasons now. When will the defense step up and win a game that offense has a "poor" showing?

    Why can't Belichick ballwashers admit that his defenses have been sub-par for years now, either the players or the schemes are not capable of stopping teams when they needed it, and he has been outcoached in his last three playoff games!
     
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    babe definitely is.
     
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    Things to take away from this game:

    1. The Pats pass offense is best when numerous players catch passes, including backs, not just a few, and not when only a couple are the main focus of the offense. We cannot wait for a comeback by Faulk before TB throws to a RB.

    2. The running game has to be a part of the offense...a more balanced approach will keep our defense OFF the field.

    3. The D still needs more time getting used to the 4-3 and all of the BB permutations and combinations thereof, especially for the relatively inexperienced LB's and DB's.

    4. Pass rush schemes MUST be developed...NOW

    5. Without players getting healthy, it's going to be a long year. A defense many thought would be deep at DL is mighty thin right now....same at DB.

    6. We knew that Buffalo would utilize screens, passes down the sideline to WR's when 1-on-1 situations happened and passes to Nelson and Chandler in the middle of the field....these were not surprises yet we could not stop them.

    7. IT'S ONLY THE THIRD GAME OF THE YEAR PEOPLE! If they are still svckatacious after the tenth game, well then we know were in SERIOUS trouble!
     
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    Any QB that puts up 31 points should expect to win the game. Unless all four of his INTs were pick sixes, which they were not, the QB should expect to win the game. No ifs ands or buts about it. The Defense didn't do their job, period.
     
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    one thing you can say for sure, if Brady is ON, we win a majority of the time, if he is OFF, we lose.

    plain and simple.

    Brady was OFF against the Bills and we barelly lost.

    Had he thrown 2 or even 3 picks, we would have won that game. He threw four and you don't win many games where your QB has 4 turnovers. It puts your D in a bad position, it ends any chance of scoring on that drive and sometimes it results in points for the opposition right there and then( the pick six )

    If Brady plays lights out, we will win a ton of games, if he struggles, we will lose.

    The defense isn't great, its not as bad the Texans D from a year ago where the number one rushing offense and a top tier passing offense couldn't outscore their opponents because of how bad their D was. Our D is not that bad, they can keep leads as long as the O doesn't have costly turnovers.
     
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    Caraway: It's a farce that the D hasn't won games for us. Also, Gary TX: 2010 - Miami, SD, Pitt, Balt, and  Minny.  All games the D bailed out the offense with, repeatedly. All 4 of these games in particular against quality opponents, home and road, saw a collection of great defensive plays that bailed out the offense. Also, in the Indy and GB games, we saw it again.   Arrington had a TD in that game. In the Indy game, Cunningham forced the rush and Sanders made the play at the end.  Even in games where the D blew the lead, the parallels to the source of why they may have, are actually earlier in the game, when our pass first offense had stalled drives giving Indy and GB the ball back for chance after chance. I felt LAST WEEK, the D bailed out the offense again and ALMOST did AGAIN on Sunday, barring a sketchy call on BRown. Admit it, there is far more evidence to the fact that the D is maligned unfairly, specifically because the root of this is traced back to a stalled offense during a game, for EXTENDED PERIODS. Our offense would punt from our own 45 on a stalled drive, for example, in 2004.  Today, we punt from our 20. FAIL
    Posted by RidingWithTheKing


    I'm not on the trash the defense wagon.  The Miami game no credit was given to Henne for having a great game.  He was spot on with the pocket collapsing around him.  Usually he gets happy feet and the interceptions start coming in droves.  SD has a good offense, period.  But those are the teams you're going to see in the playoffs.  SD stayed in character and had the turnovers unlike Miami.  Buffalo the defense had several three and outs which is what got the Pats to a 21-0 score and the Pats had the ball.  After that everything fell apart on the offense be it Brady, offensive play calling or whatever.  I'm just disappointed that the defense couldn't stop Buffalo when they needed the stops.  It was an opportunity to get the monkey of their back.  But then, if the Pats had won it would have been it's only Buffalo.
     
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    I'll say this... only ONE INT led to 6 points directly for the Bills.  The rest is on the D to stop the Bills after the turnovers.  So, for some here, the fact of those 4 INTs 3 gave the ball to the Bills who took it home for 3 TDs as part of their overall offensive play count of 60 plays means it is Brady's fault?  I can't say Brady isn't partially too blame, but, he was not on the field for those 60 plays the Bills offense had.  Think about it!!!!
     
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    People, the Pats scored 31 points, 31! they should have won the game. You can dance around it like some vestil virgin druids at the fall equinox all you want but the FACTS are three of Brady's picks were basically the same as really long, time consuming, punts. Anyone want to dispute that?
     
    No, but we will certainly dance around it so we don't offend all the defensive players that read these message boards. The DEFENSE LOST THIS GAME. Not the O.

    Stop whining that people see the defense couldn't stop a paper towel tube rolling down a hill, let alone an NFL offense.

     
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    Mayo and Wilfork, two ALL pro players, each with a game changing play last week to bail out a stalled second half offense, are not "game changers"? How is that? Do you even watch the games? I admit the team sold off Seymour and Vrabel to rebuild in 2009.  Last year the D grew leaps and bounds and added good veteran depth this year.


    I have seen nothing of this alleged veteran depth. Who are the veteran linebackers they added. The DBs without Sanders and Merriweather are if anything younger. Haynesworth manged to appear in 20 games in two years in Washington and he at best is out there for half of your defensive snaps (who knows how many of those we will actually try hard on). Andre Carter is the only one to actually put up stats in the three games of the new defensive linemen.

    I disagree with the idea that NE didn't have a good D in 2005, 2006, 2007 or even 2008. I do agree they didn't in 2009 for the reasons I just listed above.  You're buying into the anti-BB media, who is told and trained to sell that angle in order for you to want to click on the article, which in turn, gets them ratings. Point to me a time where a BB defense was top 5 or top rated by Week 3. You really think NE Had a chance in the 2009 playoff game after Welker went down and we learned of the extent of Brady's and Moss's injuries, with that one dimensioanl offense in a rebuilding year?


    Wes Welker would not have been there to tackle Ray Rice on the first play from scrimmage. A play that the Patriots never recovered from. If the offense was one dimensional isn't that the coaches doing?

    Maybe you're just delusional and that's your issue, not ours. Apparently, Bill Walsh was "outcoached" in 1985, 1986 and 1987 as he rebuilt his old SF team, too.
    Posted by RidingWithTheKing


    You are right, Bill Walsh was outcoached by Mike Ditka (with help from Buddy Ryan), Bill Parcells and Joe Gibbs those three years. Just like BB has been outcoached the last three playoffs games. Why is it so hard to accept that BB may not be infallible as a coach? I question why people still think of him as a defensive genius when the defensive performances have not borne that out.

    There was a time when the Patriots owned the second. The always made the right adjustments. If it was close at the half then forget about it. It is not that way anymore.

    I admit that Brady had a bad game and he is mostly to blame for the loss. I am talking big picture this team does not have a defense that can win games when they need to. There were amples oppurtunities for the D to pick the offense up on Sunday and they did not.
     
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