Defensive performance a bit overrated

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    Defensive performance a bit overrated

    the defense hung in their and battled, but in the end they have got to do a better job than this.  losing had just as much to do with them as it did with the offense. 

    new york giants offensive drives

    10 plays, 6:00, 35 yards, 3 first downs, punt
    9 plays, 5:28, 78 yards, 4 first downs, touchdown
    8 plays, 3:48, 39 yards, 2 first downs punt
    7 plays, 4:21, 2 first downs, 22 yards
    halftime
    10 plays, 4:37, 45 yards, 3 first downs, FG
    9 plays, 5:01, 33 yards, 3 first downs, FG
    10 plays, 4:53, 3 first downs, 49 yards, punt
    9 plays, 2:49, 88 yards, 4 first downs, TD

    i'm not absolving anyone else of blame (offense/coaching), but even after the brady pick, the defense didn't do the O a lot of favors.  ninkovich jumps offsides, and allows the giants to change field position (eventually punting from midfield, instead of the 10).  after the safety, the pats only had 8 possessions.  that's a poor job by the defense.
     
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    defense did fine, that big catch hurt, but they didn't give up the safety.

     
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    The D failed again in the endgame. They also generated no turnovers. That is the bottom line for them. There certainly are other reasons why we lost a squeaker though.
     
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    The D failed again in the endgame. They also generated no turnovers. That is the bottom line for them. There certainly are other reasons why we lost a squeaker though.
    Posted by BabeParilli


    NO, what lost the game was a stoopid safety, and underthrown ball to Gronk, and a pass a little high for Wes to catch. the three miscues cost us points. oh, the defense having twelve men on the field cost us points too-i blame the coaches for 12 men on the field.
     
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    stop making excuses for wes, its a back shoulder catch that he makes 99 times out of 100....he choked, thats all there is to it. wes is still a great player, but even great players come up short and thats what happened...as for the defense, stop the bs, the pats scored 17 freakin points and gave up 2, they really only scored 15 for the defense....thats why they lost
     
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    They did it all, they bent on the FG drives and broke at the end of the game.
     
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    wes is still a great player, Posted by redsoxfan94


    Of course
     
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    The D wasn't the problem... Giving up only 19 points should have won the game. 
     
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    The D wasn't the problem... Giving up only 19 points should have won the game. 
    Posted by sporter81


    The truth. We left at least 6 points on the field because of the INT and Wes drop, and throw away the saftey if TB rolls out of the tackle box, its 23-19
     
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    In Response to Re: Defensive performance a bit overrated : NO, what lost the game was a stoopid safety, and underthrown ball to Gronk, and a pass a little high for Wes to catch. the three miscues cost us points. oh, the defense having twelve men on the field cost us points too-i blame the coaches for 12 men on the field.
    Posted by kansaspatriot

    KP - the D wasn't great, but Babe is just protecting his previous opinions.  If he calls out the D for getting no turnovers, then the same should be expected of the offense especially with a QB of Brady's caliber.  He threw an int, and that Brady safety is the next worst thing to a pick six.  In the endzone, held the ball too long, didn't move from the pocket, threw the ball to no one, and put points on the board for the other team.  
     
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    In Response to Re: Defensive performance a bit overrated : KP - the D wasn't great, Posted by UD6


    Shut up
     
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    COnsider this: Minus a Safety to start the game, Brady's INT or Welker's drop, NE's D gave up 13 points. That would have been far and away the best defensive performance by any Pats D in their history, with only 2001's being arguably better due to the circumstances (Pats D was built with cast offs and Rams juggernaut). Anyone scouring for excuses to deflect away from why we see Brady passing for 41 times when we know it doesn't work and why he's throwing up ducks on 1st down with a chance to take control of the game, is a certified Brady Ballwasher deluxe. You're making yourself look foolish.  The D has been bashed all year, even when injured or a mess in the secondary, yet they played closer to a 60 minute game than the offense and were let down by the offense, our supposed all world offense. Not debatable. Even the Giants offense was complimenting NE's gameplan on D. Gilbride, Cruz, etc, all said how effective NE was.
    Posted by RustyGriswold


    Consider this:
    Outside of an eight minute and two drives to end the first half and start the second half the offense had one scoring drive.

    Yeah and that defense could not stop the Giants when they got the ball at their own 12 with under four minutes in the game.

    Were you really expecting the Giants and Gilbride to be like, "The Pats D was awful, we knew we could do whatever we wanted to them"?

    The offense lost this game, that is for sure, but the defense did not play well enough to win. Once again, the Giants scored on three of four drives in the second half and the one drive that they did not score on ended on a questionable non-PI call on Moore. The Giants moved the ball all game. They Patriots moved the ball on two drives.

    I agree the defense played more of 60 minute game, while the offense was good for short stretch and just plain bad the rest of the game. Unfortunately, the defense playing at it's best for 60 minutes is not good enough to win a game. 19 points allowed is not a great defensive performance, when the Giants held the Falcons to ZERO points on offense in the Wildcard Round that is a great defensive performance.
     
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    "Minus a Safety to start the game, Brady's INT or Welker's drop, NE's D gave up 13 points."

    brady's INT was basically a punt... at least from a defensive standpoint. 
     
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    Re: Defensive performance a bit overrated

    The Giants D only gave up 17 points, had what amounted to three 3-and-outs, scored 2 points, and got 1 INT (even though that really was Brady's boneheaded throw). The Patriots created two fumbles, but recovered none. The D had 0 interceptions - and we sure could have used 1.

    So, overall, who's D played better?
     
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    "Minus a Safety to start the game, Brady's INT or Welker's drop, NE's D gave up 13 points." brady's INT was basically a punt... at least from a defensive standpoint. 
    Posted by dennisrbaker


    who wants a fracking punt? we wanted points
     
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    In Response to Re: Defensive performance a bit overrated : who wants a fracking punt? we wanted points
    Posted by kansaspatriot


    Right, and to eat up more of the clock.
     
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    Re: Defensive performance a bit overrated

    to the people saying the brady pic was like a punt....it was FIRST DOWN!!...why even try that, just take the few yards the defense is giving you and live to fight another down.....tom would not make that mistake when they were winning superbowls...that was as arrogant of a throw that i have ever seen
     
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    The D did some good things and was stingy giving up points, but it failed to make some key stops and allowed the Giants to keep possession for long stretches.  This wasn't a terrible defensive game, but it wasn't a great one either. 
     
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    Why is UD6 here right now? 

    Go away dude. Come back if you must when the draft is happening. Give it a rest here. You're the worst kind of Internet sicko, clearly feasting on the misfortunes of others. I NEVER went into a Colts forum after a tough Colts loss. Show some respect and GTFO.

    The D DID force a turnover, but the 12 men on the field neutralized that. 

    Two other fumbles could easily have bounced our way. 

    It was a team losss so everyone bears a part, but in my view the D is largely off the hook. The tale of the Pats playoff run is that the defense overachieved and the offense underachieved. 

    ":underthrown ball to Gronk, and a pass a little high for Wes to catch. the three miscues cost us points"

    Wes pass was not great but was catchable. Wes has to come down with that even though it would not have been an easy catch. 

    Gronk pass did not end up costing points, it was a bad decision by TB however. It did end up costing field postiion but that was partially due to a very costly Ninkovich penalty. 

    Team loss, but offense bears the heavier load.

     
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    Re: Defensive performance a bit overrated

    Wasn't this the defense that was suppose to get the Pats another "one and done"?  One would have thought they exceded expectations.  

    The safety was a hellava way for this super great offense to start a SB. 
     
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