Develin Released

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    Russ, you site a single play. I site the vast majority of NFL offensive teams' rosters that have eliminated the natural FB position as proof that position is being phased out. No comparison in basis. This is an easy one. FBs are being phase out and it is a fact, not my opinion. Look at today's rosters. You can argue, but its a fact, even if you do t agree. 



    If fullback was important, the greatest GM in the history of the NFL would have one on the team and the greatest coach in the history of the NFL would utilize him.

    So, either the FB position isn't important or Belichick isn't one (or both) of those things.

     
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    Hopefully this is not permanent and they can adjust the PS members.  We're very close to avoiding those philosophical offensive meltdowns with our finesse preferences in January.

    Develin could be used like how GB uses John Kuhn.

     

     

     


    The FB position is an archaic, limited asset from a defunct style that provides ZERO strategic or tactical flexibility For an offense. Its a waste of personnel as an athletic TE can provide the purpose AND catch the ball well. This is not surprising and our offense is not in need of a FB. 

     

     

     

     

     



    Diagree. Baltimore's first play from scrimmage in the SB was a designed checkdown to FB Vontae Leach.  That kind of thing forces the LBs to stay closer to the line of scrimmage. The battering ram blocking FB might be archaic, but not an all purpose one.

     

     

    Kuhn has been a key player for GB with how they set up their successful offense.

     

     


    Russ, you site a single play. I site the vast majority of NFL offensive teams' rosters that have eliminated the natural FB position as proof that position is being phased out. No comparison in basis. This is an easy one. FBs are being phase out and it is a fact, not my opinion. Look at today's rosters. You can argue, but its a fact, even if you do t agree. 

     

     

     



    I cite an example. I also cited a well rounded FB that carries a skill set that does it all well (power running, blocking and pass receiving).

     

     

    It depends on what a team wants. Some like to use them and literally the last 4 SB winners not only have them on the roster, but use them in strategic ways.

     

     


    I'm not saying they don't contribute. BUT, they are a rapidly fading asset as the game evolves. Check the rosters. No argument here. ITS A FACT. AND,  BB IS ON BOARD.

     

     
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    Re: Develin Released

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    Fells coming back?  Or maybe Ballard, but I guess Fells.

    You may be right. Develin was working with the tight ends according to Reiss.

     
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    The FB position is an archaic, limited asset from a defunct style that provides ZERO strategic or tactical flexibility for an offense. Its a waste of personnel as an athletic TE can provide the purpose AND catch the ball well. This is not surprising and our offense is not in need of a FB. 

     

    Rally C

     Please explain your thinking on the FB positiion and it's offensive limitiations.

     


    NYC, the evolution of NFL offenses during the last decade toward being more dynamic requires that your personmel be more diverse. If a 6'4" 250lb player can catch the ball adeptly as a result of his hand eye and body control and regular training, AND block like a tackle on the O-line, any offense is better off having that athlete over a neck roll wearing RB who has a reputation of being a battering ram. With the growing and  common use of the pulling Guard, we now have a blocker by trade and with nearly as much athleticism as the traditional FB. A FB is a glorified O-lineman who can carry the ball on occasion. The TE can do it all In place of the FB. gives more roster flexibility. 

     

     
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    The FB position is an archaic, limited asset from a defunct style that provides ZERO strategic or tactical flexibility for an offense. Its a waste of personnel as an athletic TE can provide the purpose AND catch the ball well. This is not surprising and our offense is not in need of a FB. 

     

    Rally C

     Please explain your thinking on the FB positiion and it's offensive limitiations.

     


    NYC, the evolution of NFL offenses during the last decade toward being more dynamic requires that your person el be more diverse. If a 6'4" 250lb player can catch the ball adeptly as a result of his hand eye and body control and regular training, AND block like a tackle on the O-line, any offense is better off having that athlete over a ne k roll wearing battering ram who has a reputation of being a battering ram. With the common use of the pulling Guard, we now have a blocker by trade and with as much athleticism as th traditional FB. A FB is a glorified O-lineman who can carry the ball on occasion. The TE can do it all In place of the FB. gives more roster flexibility. 

     

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    Agreede...the days of Sam Gash are done.....you have to be able to be a complete player and athlete to perform the lead blocker role....it's just as important to be able to catch passes and block like a lineman, not just chip LB's waiting in the holes...thats's why Develin was working as a tight end of late....that's why he was let go...

     
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    The FB position is an archaic, limited asset from a defunct style that provides ZERO strategic or tactical flexibility for an offense. Its a waste of personnel as an athletic TE can provide the purpose AND catch the ball well. This is not surprising and our offense is not in need of a FB. 

     

    Rally C

     Please explain your thinking on the FB positiion and it's offensive limitiations.

     

     

     


    NYC, the evolution of NFL offenses during the last decade toward being more dynamic requires that your person el be more diverse. If a 6'4" 250lb player can catch the ball adeptly as a result of his hand eye and body control and regular training, AND block like a tackle on the O-line, any offense is better off having that athlete over a ne k roll wearing battering ram who has a reputation of being a battering ram. With the common use of the pulling Guard, we now have a blocker by trade and with as much athleticism as th traditional FB. A FB is a glorified O-lineman who can carry the ball on occasion. The TE can do it all In place of the FB. gives more roster flexibility. 

     

     

     

     

     

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    Agreede...the days of Sam Gash are done.....you have to be able to be a complete player and athlete to perform the lead blocker role....it's just as important to be able to catch passes and block like a lineman, not just chip LB's waiting in the holes...thats's why Develin was working as a tight end of late....that's why he was let go...

     

     

     

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    Well, then why was he picked up last year, put on the PS and still here in camp, making the team orginally?

     

    Why would BB hold onto something for so long if he was against an All Purpose FB?

    Michael Robinson in Seattle is one of the best. I'd suggested trading a mid rd pick for him.

    Some of you don't get it. I don't want a Tony Carter or Sam Gash in here. THat's not the concept.

     

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    Oh I get it..I just don't think it's as needed here as other offences....and fewer teams are using them....Develin had been a DT at one time...I think he'd have made a good TE actually.

     
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    I'm not overly attached to Develin, a promoted practice squad player. 

    With any luck, other teams are done tinkering with their 53 man squads, Develin will clear waivers and BB can bring him back on board in a month or two.   

    The question is, what player was released elsewhere in the NFL that BB wants? 

     
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    The FB position is an archaic, limited asset from a defunct style that provides ZERO strategic or tactical flexibility for an offense. Its a waste of personnel as an athletic TE can provide the purpose AND catch the ball well. This is not surprising and our offense is not in need of a FB. 

     

    Rally C

     Please explain your thinking on the FB positiion and it's offensive limitiations.

     

     

     

     


    NYC, the evolution of NFL offenses during the last decade toward being more dynamic requires that your person el be more diverse. If a 6'4" 250lb player can catch the ball adeptly as a result of his hand eye and body control and regular training, AND block like a tackle on the O-line, any offense is better off having that athlete over a ne k roll wearing battering ram who has a reputation of being a battering ram. With the common use of the pulling Guard, we now have a blocker by trade and with as much athleticism as th traditional FB. A FB is a glorified O-lineman who can carry the ball on occasion. The TE can do it all In place of the FB. gives more roster flexibility. 

     

     

     

     

     

     

     



    Agreede...the days of Sam Gash are done.....you have to be able to be a complete player and athlete to perform the lead blocker role....it's just as important to be able to catch passes and block like a lineman, not just chip LB's waiting in the holes...thats's why Develin was working as a tight end of late....that's why he was let go...

     

     

     

     

     



    Well, then why was he picked up last year, put on the PS and still here in camp, making the team orginally?

     

     

    Why would BB hold onto something for so long if he was against an All Purpose FB?

    Michael Robinson in Seattle is one of the best. I'd suggested trading a mid rd pick for him.

    Some of you don't get it. I don't want a Tony Carter or Sam Gash in here. THat's not the concept.

     

     


    Good question, but easy answer. Just as we saw with Tebow, Bill is constantly looking for that special DIVERSE player who makes sense to keep because of his exceptional positional diversity. As is evident by Devlins regular practice reps as a TE, it was hoped that he could adapt thereby making him an alternative to AH as a TE/H-Back/TE type. After two years, Bill sees that Devlin, though a very good FB, lacks in the athleticism required to do the rest of the hybrid job. So, he's cut now because he had two years to show development and didn't and we just dont need a traditional FB. 

     

     
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    I'm not overly attached to Develin, a promoted practice squad player. 

    With any luck, other teams are done tinkering with their 53 man squads, Develin will clear waivers and BB can bring him back on board in a month or two.   

    The question is, what player was released elsewhere in the NFL that BB wants? 




    There may be some player that gets cut from the Cleveland or Oakland practice squad that is good enough to make the Pats.  We'll see.

     
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    Good....now get on the phone and beg Washington to come back........



    +10000000

     
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    The FB position is an archaic, limited asset from a defunct style that provides ZERO strategic or tactical flexibility for an offense. Its a waste of personnel as an athletic TE can provide the purpose AND catch the ball well. This is not surprising and our offense is not in need of a FB. 

     

    Rally C

     Please explain your thinking on the FB positiion and it's offensive limitiations.

     

     

     

     

     

     


    NYC, the evolution of NFL offenses during the last decade toward being more dynamic requires that your person el be more diverse. If a 6'4" 250lb player can catch the ball adeptly as a result of his hand eye and body control and regular training, AND block like a tackle on the O-line, any offense is better off having that athlete over a ne k roll wearing battering ram who has a reputation of being a battering ram. With the common use of the pulling Guard, we now have a blocker by trade and with as much athleticism as th traditional FB. A FB is a glorified O-lineman who can carry the ball on occasion. The TE can do it all In place of the FB. gives more roster flexibility. 

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     



    Agreede...the days of Sam Gash are done.....you have to be able to be a complete player and athlete to perform the lead blocker role....it's just as important to be able to catch passes and block like a lineman, not just chip LB's waiting in the holes...thats's why Develin was working as a tight end of late....that's why he was let go...

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     



    Well, then why was he picked up last year, put on the PS and still here in camp, making the team orginally?

     

     

     

     

    Why would BB hold onto something for so long if he was against an All Purpose FB?

    Michael Robinson in Seattle is one of the best. I'd suggested trading a mid rd pick for him.

    Some of you don't get it. I don't want a Tony Carter or Sam Gash in here. THat's not the concept.

     

     

     

     


    Good question, but easy answer. Just as we saw with Tebow, Bill is constantly looking for that special DIVERSE player who makes sense to keep because of his exceptional positional diversity. As is evident by Devlins regular practice reps as a TE, it was hoped that he could adapt thereby making him an alternative to AH as a TE/H-Back/TE type. After two years, Bill sees that Devlin, though a very good FB, lacks in the ateticism required to do the rest of the hybrid job. So, he's cut now because he had two years to show promise, and we dont need a traditional FB. 

     

     

     

     

     



    He's very athletic. Like Robinson, Develin played a completely different position in college than what each have ended up playing at this level.

     

     

    I am just saying, I'd like him on the PS so they have the opportunity to promote him if they feel they need it.

    With Leon Washington gone, I don't see what the big deal is.  

    RIdley, Vereen, Bolden, Blount, Develin

    They're keeping more LBs this year, less CBs, and apparently more OL, which is a bit odd. 

    I still don't think they're done shuffling.

     


    i getcha man. I like Devlin too. I just dont see his skill set as being a major contributor in our style. If aNy coach is opposed to having any player who qualifies as a specialist, its Bill. I honestly believe that Bill discounts value on great positional specialists and adds value to those who have diversity in there repitoire even if only the NFL average at any one of the position options a available for them to the point that he keeps the diverse before the ultra talented specialist. Give him a guy who functions like a Ford Focus and an F150 over one Ferrari anyday!

     

     
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    Remember, the Pats are "loaded" at RB.  "Loaded".

    Touchdowns last season:

    Ridley:  12
    Vereen:  4
    Bolden:  2
    Blount:  2

     

     
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    Woodhead was the back up behind Ridley and got a lot of touches. Anyone with half a brain following our team knows Woodhead was grooming Vereen.

    But, yeah, I don't see one team in the AFC with a more talented stable of backs than the ones you just listed.

    Two 1000 yard rushers out of the 4?

    You won't find that around much.  

    Try again, idiot. You think you have allies here, and you don't. Trust me on that.  



    Despite the fact that you're one of the biggest goons in the history of the internet, I do appreciate your constant and sometimes very high quality spin.

    Yes, Blount is a 1,000 yard rusher.  In his rookie year, he ran for 1,007 yards.  Don't forget to mention that the following year he ran for 784 and last year he topped out at 151, but yes, he did once reach the 1,000 yard plateau.

     

     
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    Very curious to see who is coming in.

    On the Develin/Hooman question, hooman was never a threat to actually receive the ball on a run where at least in preseason Develin did. And hooman is not a really great blocker. I do think outside of Brady sneaks our short yardage run game was pretty miserable last year so wouldn't be surprised if a fullback does end up active on the game day roster in a majority of games. The terminator (John Conners) was cut and he could be an alternative. Or they could end up using Bolden in the role. Right now with a very thin TE position, I don't really want to see Hooman lining up in the backfield and ramming himself into DTs and DEs on run plays.

    As for the life of the full back in football - yeah the days of every team lining up in a two back set are gone for good, but a lot of very successful teams do carry fullbacks and use them in both running and passing situations - and they can be very effective as either outlet receivers or especially in the RZ and short yardage as the primary.

     
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    If the pats want a pure fullback on the roster there are better options on the street right now than Devilin.

    "I swear it upon Zues the most exceptional runner cannot be the equal of an average wrestler"  Socrates

     
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    BB the master juggler, jerk around.   the 53 is a fluid wave machine...  Cut, resign, release, restructure.  Ha haha.  It is amusing .  Don't take yourself too seriously if you're trying to make this team... Lol.

    I didn't have develin on my 53 so bubye buddy.

    Glad Sims is on PS...  He'll be part of the regulars by mid season catching balls from Brady.  Mark that one down under coolade.

    Cole is back, Kline out.  Again according to my 53.  Bring tebow back for even less money, put him on special teams, and we're almost spot on. 

     
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