Dez Bryant vs Devin McCourty - Who Will Have Greatest Impact Their Rookie Year?

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    Dez Bryant vs Devin McCourty - Who Will Have Greatest Impact Their Rookie Year?

    It'll be interesting to see who has a greater impact during their rookie year...
     
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    Re: Dez Bryant vs Devin McCourty - Who Will Have Greatest Impact Their Rookie Year?

    actually Devin McCourty is a reach IMO
     
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    actually Devin McCourty is a reach IMO
    Posted by jbolted


    That very well may be...I really don't know. The only reason why I'm trying to compare the two is because we picked McCourty over Bryant.
     
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    In Response to Re: Dez Bryant vs Devin McCourty - Who Will Have Greatest Impact Their Rookie Year? : That very well may be...I really don't know. The only reason why I'm trying to compare the two is because we picked McCourty over Bryant.
    Posted by BubbaInHawaii


    I would say Bryant then. I seen a bust or two, Buster Davis & some guy named Leaf.
     
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    Re: Dez Bryant vs Devin McCourty - Who Will Have Greatest Impact Their Rookie Year?

    Bryant will have a greater impact his rookie year as McCourty will rarely see anything outside of ST duties.
     
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    Re: Dez Bryant vs Devin McCourty - Who Will Have Greatest Impact Their Rookie Year?

    This question really isn't fair.  Bryant should have the better year because of the position he plays.  It took Revis several years to become Revis.  The same will hold true with McCourty.  He will see playing time as defenses require three sound CBs these days. 
     
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    Re: Dez Bryant vs Devin McCourty - Who Will Have Greatest Impact Their Rookie Year?

    McCourty.  BB has a knack for drafting players who can come right in and play.  McCourty sometimes practices with the first team (and, for example, Gronk doesn't!). 

    Dez Bryant is a Wide Receiver.  They rarely blossom in their first year.  Give Bryant some time.
     
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    Re: Dez Bryant vs Devin McCourty - Who Will Have Greatest Impact Their Rookie Year?

    One thing for sure is Bryant will get the media attention and therefore the perception of being a bigger impact.  It is much easier to quantify the impact of a WR with yards and TD's.  How many yards someone didn't get and TD's prevented is not a stat. 

    Look at last year, we kept hearing about how Offensive rookie of the year Percy Harvin was the next Jerry Rice or whatever.  Really, the guy had 790 yards and 6 TD's.  The same numbers as Mike Wallace and Hakeem Nicks two very average recievers.  Now look at Jarius Byrd who saw almost no media coverage and led the league with 9 interceptions, a very above average accomplishment and an impact player.
     
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    McCourty by a long shot!  I based this on the fact that I'm totally irrational bias fanatic Pats fan with no sense of reality.  Like some others on this board.
     
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    Its WR vs CB. Can't really compare. McCourty might play nickle or dime and special teams.  Dez Bryant has the potential to be a starter half way through the season if he beats out Roy Williams.

    McCourty might not have a single interception but play a a huge role on special teams and contribute in nickle and dime coverages.

    Dez Bryant Will be catching balls and scoring touchdowns. Can't really compare them and say who had a better season unless one doesn't get on the field often and the other wins offensive or defensive rookie of the year.
     
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    Its WR vs CB. Can't really compare. McCourty might play nickle or dime and special teams.  Dez Bryant has the potential to be a starter half way through the season if he beats out Roy Williams. McCourty might not have a single interception but play a a huge role on special teams and contribute in nickle and dime coverages. Dez Bryant Will be catching balls and scoring touchdowns. Can't really compare them and say who had a better season unless one doesn't get on the field often and the other wins offensive or defensive rookie of the year.
    Posted by GadisRKO


    Good points. I think Garytx said something similar - and suggested that it may not be a good comparison because they are different positions and that the amount of time they actually play in their rookie year will likely be different.

    Another poster indicated that Dez will likely get more media attention because of who he is and because he plays for the Cowboys. He was certainly the more attractive pick.  I think it would have been nice to pick him up because we may very well lose Moss after this year. Who better to learn from for a year?
     
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    Dez will have more opportunity as a rookie, and one of jerry jones' boys, to get in front of the cameras. WR is probably the single position where a rookie can make the most impact immediately. More attention may not be the best thing for him though, as he's already a self-absorbed TO/Chad Ochocinco/braylon edwards type of head case.  

    It might take a couple of years for McCourty to really show his stuff in a BB defense but I think that he'll ultimately become the more valuable guy and dez bryant will just spiral out of control.
     
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    It'll be interesting to see who has a greater impact during their rookie year...
    Posted by BubbaInHawaii


    I have read a lot of folks questioning Devin McCourty as a pick for the pats. I read this a while ago from CBS NFL Draft Scouting report. What impressed me beyound his strong stats was what others who played with him had to say about his leadership. He sounds like a classic bb type of player. Smart, leadership, hardworking and versital.

    Against McCourty, the Scarlet Knights opponents attempted 249 throws, completing just 88 (35.34 percent) for 684 yards and only two scores, an average of 7.77 yards per pass completion. He has allowed just 2.75 yards per pass attempt, the lowest figure of any active player in the Big East Conference. While those figures are very impressive, they do not tell the entire story of this shutdown cornerback's ability. Against his main pass coverage assignments, McCourty has held those receivers to only 42 receptions for 386 yards on 158 passes targeted into his area, meaning that quarterbacks have completed just 26.58 percent of those tosses and their intended targets were limited to 9.19 yards per pass completion and 2.44 yards per attempt. Those same receivers averaged 33.84 catches for 430.05 yards (12.71 yards per catch) and 2.47 touchdowns per season vs. other cornerbacks they faced. While developing his shutdown cornerback skills, McCourty is not only a top-notch coverage defender, but has also excelled playing inside the box. He made 91 of his 236 tackles in run support (38.56 percent) and has proven to be a drive-killer, as he registered an incredible 94 third-down stops and 33 more on fourth-down action (38.60 percent of his plays made resulted in killing the opposition's series). In addition, McCourty has drawn comparisons to former Buffalo Bills standout Steve Tasker for his outstanding performance on special teams. He recorded 23 tackles for the punt coverage unit and 27 for the kickoff coverage squad. He has also blocked six punts and one field goal, as six of those blocks set up Rutgers scoring drives. Four more turnovers generated by the defensive back (three interceptions, one fumble recovery) have also led to Scarlet Knights touchdown drives. He also took over kickoff return duties as a senior, averaging 25.43 yards on 14 returns that included a 98-yard touchdown, third-longest in school annals. "Devin has great versatility in that he can play several different positions -- shutdown corner, free safety as a run support guy, offensively as a slot back," said Saint Joseph's head football coach Tony Karcich. "He is like a coach on the field with his outstanding knowledge and ability to make adjustments." The senior defensive standout led the Scarlet Knights during the regular season with 78 tackles (48 solos), but an eye injury on the first series of the St. Petersburg Bowl prevented him from becoming first cornerback in school annals to lead the team in tackles for a season and the first major college cornerback to accomplish that feat since Charles Woodson of Michigan in 1997. He finished with a total of 80 tackles and also made 9.5 stops for loss, broke up 10 passes and intercepted another while blocking three punts. However, it was his leadership skills that shined through during the team's 9-4 record in 2009. Safety Joe Lefeged learned the value of preparation from McCourty. "He could diagnose plays before they even started, based on what the offensive lines was doing or how the receivers were lining up," Lefeged said. "He was calling out plays before they even happened on the field." "Devin gets us together at night to watch film after meetings, and that really helps in practice," Lefeged said. The defensive captain, who's staked his claim as the Big East Conference's top cornerback in 2009, also draws high praise from head coach Greg Schiano. "I think he prepares incredibly hard, and I am talking one of the top five I have been around, either college or pro," Schiano said. "He works very hard at it and practices very hard. Every day he goes out there, he is playing a football game in practice. So then it is no mystery that when he gets in the games, he makes plays." AnalasysRead & React: Reads receiver's body language to see if his man is the primary target. Quick to jump routes because he reads the quarterback well. Doesn't bite on stop-and-go routes. Supports the run quickly, even when the play is between the tackles or on the other side of the field. Man Coverage: Can press or play off effectively. Has fluid hips, transitions smoothly and stays low and is quick in his backpedal. Sticks to receivers on their routes, showing excellent change of direction. Plays more physically than you would expect for his size, using his hands to jam on the line and maintain contact downfield. Larger receivers will use their size to shield him from slants and crossing patterns. Zone Coverage:Should make a very good zone corner in the NFL. Good awareness, keeping one eye on the short receiver and another on any players trying to hit the hole behind him. Comes off his man to react to a ball in the air. Makes the easy interception, goes up to get the ball and has strong hands. Will freelance when no receiver lines up on his side, leaving his zone open. Closing/Recovery: Baits quarterbacks into throwing in his direction, closing very well when the ball is in front of him. Good plant and drive with body control. Takes the proper angle to the receiver. Lacks elite speed, but can recover quickly enough when picked on crossing or drag routes to make the tackle. Run Support: Very willing (and able) to support the run. Attacks running backs coming into his area, bringing them down with veracity. Holds up his man to force plays inside. Hustles across the field to plays on the opposite sideline. Tough player, but still lacks the size to consistently get off downfield blocks from larger receivers. Tackling:Wiry strong and solid in his tackling technique. Brings his hips and wraps ballcarriers when straight-on in his sights. Doesn't give up many yards after catch. Attacks screens, even after push off from larger receivers. Avoids blocks in the open field, usually wrapping a leg instead of cutting. Rarely misses completely, even against elusive runners. Should be one of the better special teams players in his class. Intangibles:Reliable veteran who loves to play the game. Took a leadership role in 2009 with Jason McCourty and safety Courtney Greene in the NFL. Very good student who made multiple Big East All-Academic teams.

    NFL Comparison: Ronde Barber, Buccaneers
     
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    Re: Dez Bryant vs Devin McCourty - Who Will Have Greatest Impact Their Rookie Year?

    Bryant will probably be a starter, so he probably will.
     
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    So far McCourty is having a better year. He knew how to pick up the pads.
     
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    I won't restate what many have said above, but I think McCourty will have a large impact on both defense and ST's this year for us. If you look at how many times we played with 3+ corners last year  (something like 45% or greater), then it should give you an idea of how much he is going to see the field...he will win the 3rd corner spot, and I think he'll be pushing for a starting position with Butler come next year. Butler and McCourty together will be awesome. Both extremely athletic corners. I think this will be one of the best CB tandems in the NFL in the next 3 years. 

    Dez will have a solid year as well. I expect him to start sometime in the middle of the year if not sooner. 
    Both of these kids are going to be stars in the NFL. To say which one will have the better year is hard as you can't judge them using the same scale as others have said. 
     
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    Re: Dez Bryant vs Devin McCourty - Who Will Have Greatest Impact Their Rookie Year?

    better question is who is better when Dallas and Patriots play each other?
     
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      So far McCourty is having a better year. He knew how to pick up the pads.
    Posted by gmbill


    He isnt doing anything with pads since he hasnt even signed yet.  That would be a good start.
     
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