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    Do We Need A New Offense Coordinator??

    posted at 1/19/2010 10:46 PM EST

    I Thing So, It Seem's Like Every Play Was The Same.. Maybe It's Just Me But I  New What They Were Going to do just the way they lined up, WE NEED SOMEBODY THAT HAS MORE PLAY'S TO GIVE TO THIS TALENTED TEAM!!!
     

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    Re: Do We Need A New Offense Coordinator??

    posted at 1/19/2010 10:58 PM EST

    I KNOW!!!   LIKE WHEN THEY LINED UP 5 WIDE, YOU KNEW THEY WERE GONNA PASS!!! SEND O'BRIEN OFF TO KANSAS CITY OR DENVER!!!
     

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    Re: Do We Need A New Offense Coordinator??

    posted at 1/19/2010 11:23 PM EST

    How's that for all caps?!? =)

    I agree. I see teams like New Orleans and Arizona and their play-calling on offense is lightyears ahead of ours. Their rosters could be more talented than ours but not by that much! I've seen more creative playcalling with inferior Patriots rosters. In fact, the only trick play I remember all year was the flea flicker against Tennessee. I'm not saying that's the final factor in playcalling but it'd be nice to see the defense thoroughly confused for a handful of plays each game...
     

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    Re: Do We Need A New Offense Coordinator??

    posted at 1/19/2010 11:35 PM EST

    I am not going to hold my breath waiting on a new O-Coordinator.  Would I like one?  Yes.  Will we see one?  BB will probably keep him as long as he learned from his mistakes and showed promise.  Frankly, I'd like to see both sides of the ball shaken up a bit.  Shaken, not stirred that is.
     

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    Re: Do We Need A New Offense Coordinator??

    posted at 1/20/2010 12:00 AM EST

    "I thing so" , "maybe its just me but I new what they were going to do just the way they lined up" - Seriously? And Offense Coordinator? Sorry, but what is with these threads recently? And this might be the worst question one could ask, we had the most predictable offense in the league and ran the same 10 plays all year. Yes I think its safe to say a change is in order. I do have disagree with dynasty, respectfully of coarse. If you look at the best teams in the league their full of dynamic, versatile weapons and have a bunch of them. I think the talent level is far better, I mean we only have ONE weapon, count them em' one who can put 6 on the board, Moss. And hes our only deep threat as well. Even with Wes our offense was middle of the road, teams were very happy giving him the underneath stuff all day and thats what I think they did, gave it to us. We have no respectable running game, a tight end who only can run a seem route, that drives me crazy, we have a tight end who doesnt go over the middle and cant make a big catch to save his life. Our offense is far behind teams like Saints, Colts, Cards, Minnesota, Dallas, Chargers even with no running game they have multiple guys they can go to. Jackson, Floyd, Gates, Sproles, Naanee and LT. How about the Eagles, Packers, even the Titans, and when healthy look at the Falcons. They have a solid running game, A number one in White, decent number 2-3 in Jenkins and Douglas and now maybe the best tight end in Gonzo. Not to mention a good o-line. The Pats problems are very deep, and challenging. They need alot of help.

     

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    Re: Do We Need A New Offense Coordinator??

    posted at 1/20/2010 12:12 AM EST

    Hey Pees is out, thats a decent start. There really wasnt alot to work with on either side, but not as bad as we played. This D got way too much credit for being ok, no lead was safe at all. It was putrid they way gave them up. And our O was terrible, again not much to work with, but they ran the same 10 plays all year, no BS I was calling almost 40% from home, even worse when I went to the game. I love when we move 81 around, but when hes in the slot were screaming hes going deep, its pathetic. Sometimes I didnt even need them to line up, I called both of the int's, the one against NO were 12 was going to 81 at the 5 yard line, that was sorry. And the one against the fins were 12 forced it to 81 in the end zone that Davis got. Pathetic, putrid, and predictable, all are adjectives used to describe this years team.
     

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    Re: Do We Need A New Offense Coordinator??

    posted at 1/20/2010 4:18 AM EST

    BB is both the OC and the DC,so I'm guessing we'll be stuck with the frauds he's calling OC and DC.
     

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    Re: Do We Need A New Offense Coordinator??

    posted at 1/20/2010 6:15 AM EST

    I think it was best when no one knew what we were going to run.

    A few years back, we'd be in a 4th and one situation and run a 5 wide formation.  It would be totally off the wall and it would work.  Now it seems like we all know what they are going to run and opposing defenses know as well.
     

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    Re: Do We Need A New Offense Coordinator??

    posted at 1/20/2010 6:24 AM EST

    Yes - big time. 
     

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    Re: Do We Need A New Offense Coordinator??

    posted at 1/20/2010 6:47 AM EST

    yes, a good one that will make our offense unpredictable.

    We need a good D coordinator too....who can make us more agressive, develop a better pass rush.
     

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    Re: Do We Need A New Offense Coordinator??

    posted at 1/20/2010 8:28 AM EST

    Not just predictable, but effective.  The play calling in the first half seem to work, even though Im not a fan of the "Air Pats" since 2007, they seemed to get out to good leads only to disappear in the second half.

    I dont see anything changing this offseason except for players.  BB will continue to call the defense and have Obrien call the offense.
     

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    Re: Do We Need A New Offense Coordinator??

    posted at 1/20/2010 9:09 AM EST

     YES! Someone please breathe some life back into this team! Boring-stale-predictable-they all apply.
     It gets tiring watching the Pats D get beat by imaginative play calling, and the O get beat by aggressive defenses. The same things we used to beat other teams with. 
     Maybe the team isn't as strong personel wise as it used to be, but that means we need better, more imaginative schemes, not ones that are more vanilla.
     I think that we need two new coordinators, and we need to get them from outside, not promote someone that has the present systems ingrained into their brains. Fresh blood, fresh ideas. LIFE!
     

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    Re: Do We Need A New Offense Coordinator??

    posted at 1/20/2010 9:37 AM EST

    Mike Martz? 

    Not sure if BB would ever do something like this - but Martz does bring alot to the table.  This way BB can concentrate on the defensive and special team side of things and just let Martz do his thing on the offensive side. 

    Any thoughts?
     

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    Re: Do We Need A New Offense Coordinator??

    posted at 1/20/2010 10:06 AM EST

    Unless the ridiculous thread about the Pats purposely trying to lose games was true than YES, we absolutely need one... moreso than any other position.

    I'd like to think BB thinks so as well, but who really knows..?  He never named anyone to that position this season and directly commented on his coaching after the loss to the Ravens.  We need someone familair with the "Erhardt-Perkins" offense and we probably need to draft another big hammer runningback that can move the chains.

    The Erhardt - Perkins system has at times had a reputation of being a traditional "smash mouth" offense that maximizes a team's time of possession.  Erhardt coined the adage "pass to score, run to win" and the system is thought to be particularly well suited for teams playing in the harsh outdoor weather conditions of the northeast of the United States.
     

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    Re: Do We Need A New Offense Coordinator??

    posted at 1/20/2010 10:18 AM EST

     Wozzy-You are right on. It wasn't that long ago that when a team played NE, they knew they had been in a game. Now we are the ones getting punched in the mouth. I have been lobbying for Gerhart myself. Although I have never heard of the system, Gerhart-Erhardt sounds good to me.

     

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    Re: Do We Need A New Offense Coordinator??

    posted at 1/20/2010 10:36 AM EST

    Cyberknot,

    I've posted this before, but I'll post the link here again:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_England_Patriots_strategy#Erhardt-Perkins_offensive_system

    I know it works because our personel is geared toward the system, the effectiveness of using it in 3 super bowl championships and when I employ it while playing with the Patties in John Madden Football I am unstoppable. LOL
     

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    Re: Do We Need A New Offense Coordinator??

    posted at 1/20/2010 12:41 PM EST

      Wozzy-Thanks for the link. There is a lot of good stuff there.
     

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    Re: Do We Need A New Offense Coordinator??

    posted at 1/20/2010 1:13 PM EST

        YES...AND AS SOON AS POSSIBLE,,THEIR OFFENSE WAS DISGRACEFULLY PREDICTABLE FAR TOO OFTEN,YOU COULD SEE DEFENSES OF THEIR OPPONENTS ADJUSTING GIVEN THE PATS ALLIGNMENT AND DOWN AND DISTANCE..ALSO,THEY UNDERUSED CERTAIN PLAYERS(E.G.-TE'S) AND OVERUSED OTHERS(E.G.-MARONEY)..FINALLY,IT APPEARED THEY NEVER ESTABLISHED AN IDENTITY ON OFFENSE AND ONE THAT DID NOT EXPLOIT THE WEAKNESSES OF THEIR OPPONENTS,A SIGNIFICANT PROBLEM GIVEN THE INJURIES THEY INCURRED ESPECIALLY ON THE O.L. AND AT R.B.,WHICH PREVENTED THEM FROM DICTATING THE TENOR OF THE GAME.  
     

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    Re: Do We Need A New Offense Coordinator??

    posted at 1/20/2010 1:14 PM EST

    I think Martz went to Chicago.  As other teams make moves, New England stands pat.  I think O'Brien's horrid play calling forced Bill to pay more attention to the offense than he probably needs to.  The team doesn't need a DC so much as they need Bill to just focus on that side of the ball instead of having to run back and forth trying to fix both areas.  O'Brien's play calling was miserable.  No decption.  It was like he plays Tecmo Bowl every Saturday night and uses only those four plays.  And where was any creativity?  New England seems to be the ONLY team that refuses to at least have some Single Wing (or for you ESPN only football watchers, Wild Cat) plays handy, just to mix it up.
     

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    Re: Do We Need A New Offense Coordinator??

    posted at 1/20/2010 1:17 PM EST

    Keep in mind we were statistically one of the best offenses this year, and the plays didn't look that different from anything we've done in the past 4 years.
     

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    Re: Do We Need A New Offense Coordinator??

    posted at 1/20/2010 2:07 PM EST

    I don't think so...Predictable or not..the Pats had the most balanced offense in the AFC (120 yards rushing per game and 277 pass per game) Both above average.
    For guy's first year that is not too shabby. I would expect him to be even better next year. They ran over 4 yards a carry for 8 of the 16 regular season games, again not too bad for a passing team.
    Now the D is another story.
    In 5 of the 6 regular season losses they gave up over 400+ yards in each of those games (Jets loss being the only exception..where they out gained the Jets 299 to 254.)
    Of course the Pats picked the worst game for the offense to not show up at all..the Bal playoff game. No Wes Welker of course and shoddy run game.
     

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    Re: Do We Need A New Offense Coordinator??

    posted at 1/20/2010 3:10 PM EST

    I'd say we need a better Offensive Coordinator.
     

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    Re: Do We Need A New Offense Coordinator??

    posted at 1/20/2010 5:51 PM EST

    I don't know, they should have been better this year but I think starting all over could be bad.  They know the formula for offense, the 07 offense was great they just need to practice or something.
     

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    Re: Do We Need A New Offense Coordinator??

    posted at 1/20/2010 7:38 PM EST

    You ever stop to think that maybe your team just ssssucks since they can't cheat anymore and know what the defense is doing before they run every play???
     

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    Re: Do We Need A New Offense Coordinator??

    posted at 1/20/2010 8:43 PM EST

    I'm waiting for the second coming of Riverboat Charlie.  This team hardly ever rolled the dice.  Once they called a flea flicker.  Once.  All season, I believe. 

    Whatever happened to Troy Brown jogging off the field on a field goal attempt, then stopping on the field, then catching an easy uncontested pass from the kicker and trotting into the endzone?  This team needs to drive the opponent a little crazy, even while they might have the guns to pass every down.  When this happens, the opponent doesn't swarm to the ball because it's too risky.

    The Pats need to lay perhaps 32 gimmick plays in as early as April, at least practice them early with the veterans who are pretty certain to make the roster, then dust them off during the season, about two per game.