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Really don't know what happened to you over the years. You used to be one of my favorite reads on the board. Now, you're like a three-year-old who lost his binky and must throw a temper tantrum to get everyone to commiserate with him.
Real Pats fans don't use the word "homer" when talking about other Pats fans; that's what trolls do.
RESPONSE: Real fans don't whine any time their team is criticized in any way. Do you realize that you're aligning yourself with the likes of Rusty? That should give you reason to pause.
2nd Response: I do not whine about the criticism of a team. I do not whine at all. I do find it sad that a grown man (yourself) seems to get so little enjoyment out of watching a historically great sports franchise, but feels so compelled to criticize fellow fans who derive great enjoyment from the same.
3rd RESPONSE: Historically great?? How so? Historically great teams are measured by championships won...not regular season wins, or divisional titles. The Pats need that 4th title to be placed in the same category as the Packers of the 60s, Steelers of the 70s, and the 49ers of the 80s.
Criticize fellow fans?? They are the ones who have launched personal attacks repeatedly on anyone who dares to criticize the Pats...myself included. But, give these homers a bit of the business back, and, like you, they whine like a stuck pig. It's pathetic, seeing grown men such as yourself, whine.
If we knew the Pats would win every game, there would be no reason to watch on Sunday. The fact that sports is played by human beings, who, in all their triumphs and frailties, are capable of winning or losing on any given day, is what makes sports compelling.
This is not Sports Illustrated or some other neutral sports site; it is a Patriots Fan bulletin board, and if Pats fans want to see the Pats through rose-colored glasses...hell, that's the way it should be. Sports is entertainment; a diversion of guilty pleasure for those whose livelihood is not dependent upon winning. Who the hell wants to waste time reading a barrage of complaints from amateur analysts?
RESPONSE: It's a Patriots forum! What gives you the right to dictate what should and shouldn't be said here?
2nd Response: I have no right to dictate what should and shouldn't be said. I have never asked for such a right.
3rd RESPONSE: No...you did not ask for it...you demanded it! Go back and re-read your own words, above. You criticize me personally, in an attempt to shut me up.
I do have the right to not read what I am not interested in. I often choose to exercise that right.
#3rd RESPONSE: Why don't you exercise that right, now? No one is forcing you to read or accept my opinions. Instead, you and other Ostrich Societeers attempt to silence me with personal attacks. That's fine...but don't whine when I come right back at ya!
I, like many others on this board, think the Patriots have a good enough team to win the Super Bowl. I, like many others, also think they can be beaten. I choose to carry the positive vibe, rather than the negative one, because I am a fan, and I want them to win. Whatever weaknesses they may have will not be solved by my worrying about them, one bit. So why bother worrying?
RESPONSE: Don't you realize that people who take the time to criticize only do so because they care about the fortunes of their team? They are the true fans...not the gutless wimps who comprise the Ostrich Society.
2nd Response: I take no exception to criticism of the Patriots team for its prior performance. Criticizing fellow fans because they do not share your pessimism regarding the team's future prospects is a different issue, however. Calling them gutless wimps because they do not agree with your assessment of the team's chances is childish.
3rd RESPONSE: As I have stated on numerous occasions, I tire of seeing the personal attacks launched upon me and others, who dare criticize the Pats. I'm not going to stand for it, anymore. You Ostrich Societeers...it's on!
You get all bent out of shape over things that happened in the past and cannot be changed; missed field goals, missed first downs, missed draft picks, missed whateverthefuck. None of those things means jack when the Pats next take the field. All that matters is they bring their best game and execute it. If that is good enough to win, they will be champions; if not, praise the winners, and rev it up next year.
RESPONSE: What an ridiculous statement. That loss to Arizona early in the season cost the Patriots the #1 seed in the AFC. By the grace of God, the Texans choked away their bye...giving the Pats a new life. With all the injuries this team is dealing with, I doubt that they would advasnce to the SB, without this extra week off to heal.
2nd Response: Winning all 16 games would have been nice, and would have guaranteed the #1 seed. They did not do so. No amount of b!tching about lost opportunities will bring those opportunities back. I assure you Brady and Belichick are looking forward, thankfully. Why can't you?
3rd RESPONSE: Do you deny the fact that there were lost opportunities? Why does hearing that bother you? Does it interfere with your hope that somehow, someway, the Pats will get it done? I prefer to live in reality. What is there to talk about if we all are supposed to hold hands, and hope the Pats do better? Criticism brings about results sometimes, even if it starts from a lowly fan, or amatuer analyst...to use your words. When enough people complain, something usually get done to rectify the problems. It's like when Pats' fans boo the Pats at The Razor, when they perform poorly. It sends a message.
Five of the last seven Super Bowl Champions have not had the benefit of a bye. What they did have was, A) a playoff spot, B) the belief they could turn that spot into a title, and, C) the knowledge that the league doesn't spot you a TD just for having a high seed.
3rd RESPONSE: The Pats have never won a SB, without the benefit of a bye week.
If your desire in life is to be a well-respected sportswriter/critic, there is nothing wrong with that ambition. But, if so, you're in the wrong place. Trying to impose a mindset of neutrality on an affinity base that is purposefully--and rabidly--partial, is a bit ridiculous.
RESPONSE: The tepid, can't complain about the Pats types make this place boring...and drive away many posters. Who the hell are you homers to regulate what is said here? What gives you and your ilk the right to constantly personally attack people who dare state a critical opinion?
2nd Response: One of the beautiful things about the United States is that we have a constitution that provides for freedom of speech, so you are free to write whatever you wish. I have no desire to regulate your rights. Nor do I have an "ilk" in this, or any other, forum; I speak for myself and myself, alone.
There are many people in this forum, not just you, who are critical of some aspect of Patriots play, be it the offense, the defense, a particular player or coach, play calling or coaching strategies. Some are well-versed and literate in their critiques; others are not. Either way, I have no problem with anyone's heartfelt criticism of Patriots play, even when arguments break out from differences of opinion.
However, you, alone on this forum (except for trolls), criticize Patriots fans for the crime of being enthusiastic Patriots fans. As if anyone who does not share a critically pessimistic view must have his head buried in the sand. While you have every right to voice this opinion, I have every right to voice that I think this opinion is bizarre, considering that you are posting it on a Patriots Fan site, not exactly a bastion of neutrality.
3rd RESPONSE: Again...I'm tired of good football conversation being drowned out by personal attacks by the likes of Ostrich Societeers, Rusty, and speech regulators like you. Many good posters who once were regulars here, have left this cite because of it. I've decided to try to do something about it.
And, if you honestly cannot comprehend this, then it is you who have your head buried in the sand.
RESPONSE: You homers are cowards...afraid to state your positions. After all, you could be wrong? Big whoop!
2nd Response: If you feel I am a "coward" simply because it does not bother me in the least that fans get passionately optimistic about their team, then a coward I must be. Kudos to you. But Afraid to state my positions? Here's my position, dude...
I like the Patriots. Win or lose, I like the Patriots. I think they're really good. I think they're smart and talented, and execute their corporate mission as well as any other team in the NFL.
That doesn't mean they don't make mistakes. Yep, they'll screw up a draft pick here and there; make errors in judgment here and there; lose a game they should have won here and there. But what I really LOVE about this team is that they do not stay married to their past mistakes. Bad play in the playbook? Throw it out! Bad 2nd-round draft pick? Cut the sucker! Poor handling of the ball during a game? Coach and re-coach protecting the rock!
Meanwhile, they do improve as the year goes on. It's almost become a mantra among the players: "I just want to get better this week." They keep their eye on the prize ahead; not on the errors in their wake.
They have put together one of the most amazing decade-long runs in the history of sports. I hope they win the Lombardi this year. I think they have a great shot at it. But if they don't win it, I hope that they represent themselves well, and are beaten by a better team rather than beating themselves.
But win or lose, I'll enjoy every down. And, God willing, I will root for them again next year.
3rd RESPONSE: Good for you. But, I'm a bit more passionate.! I like talking football, and the Pats...both good and bad. If that bothers you, don't read! But, who the hell are you to try to censor me?
One of the great moments of my life was seeing my dad, RIP, get to see the Red Sox win the World Series in 2004. He rabidly supported the Sox since 1949. I marvel at all the sh!tty seasons my poor father had to endure, and the calamities of '67, 75', and '86. But the sheer jubilation of '04 made every season beforehand worth it. I had figured the Sox for dead when they went down 3-0 to the Pinstripes...but, inning by inning, out by out, he kept believing, despite a half century of heartbreak. When the Sox finally pulled it off, the old guy was beaming for a solid month afterward. His belief in this perenially bumbling loser of team (his "homerism," as you would call it) is one of the most beautiful memories I have left of him.
3rd RESPONSE: My family members suffered, too. One of the reasons why the Sox were so bad for so long is that fans accepted bad teams, and a bad product. They kept coming to the games, and patronizing the foolish baseball decisions made by then owner, Tom Yawky. The same thing has been going on now for decades in Chicago, with the Cubs! It wasn't until new ownership came in, started spending money, and putting baseball people in charge, that things started to change. The Patriots' success from 2001-04 had a great influence on the actions of the Red Sox...and changed the attitudes and expectations of the New England fan base. This indirectly led to positive changes, and MLB championships in 2004, and 2007.
So, I'll not knock a fan's faith in his own team, no matter how illogical or whimsical. I honestly don't think that the Colts will win the Super Bowl this year, but if an Indy fan on an Indy forum honestly believes they will, then God bless that fan for his belief. I hope he enjoys every down of his team's play, as I will mine.
3rd RESPONSE: Ostrich Society members aren't just those with blind faith in their team. They deal only in hope, not reality. They personally attack anyone who dare challenges the status quo of the team...or criticizes the team in any way. Then, they smuggly hide behind their fandom. They are cowards...because they fear taking a strong position on their team.
I LOVE the Patriots, because I am from Massachusetts. I am OPTIMISTIC about the Patriots' title chances, because I believe they are as talented and well coached as any other team in the tournament.
That is my position.
My head is above ground.
My name is not Scrooge.
3rd RESPONSE: So, because I dare criticize the Pats, and expect nothing less than a title from them, I am Scrooge?? LOL!!!