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    I think 5'11" is the perfect height for an NFL CB I think anything taller then that is too tall with the exception of the really exceptional type player like reevis. Sometimes a tall CB works out but useally only the really good tall CBs make it in teh NFL but if a guy was there at 23 and he was say 6 feet or 6'1" then i would go for it. I never said we wouldnt take a tall CB I just said BB prefers smaller CBs because they have more control over their bodys and are more fluint in tehir movemtns and they get to the ball faster. Hobbs is too short there is no denying that and im not saying we should take another short CB i think the perfect saize would be 5'11"

    What sucks is I like Alphonso Smith a lot but he is only 5'9" and thats just too small for a 1st round CB to me.
     
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    A Smith's height could be a liability, however, if he has excellent jumping ability he may be able to overcome his height issue. If you saw the NBA's dunk contest you know that some shorter players (see Nate Robinson)have some "serious ups" A Smith should be able to cover most NFL WR's. The elite tall WR's command help from a safety against any corner. If A Smith is there at #23, he could be a solid pick depending on who else may slide in the draft. A Smith will probably be getting a lot of interceptions until QB's learn to respect his coverage skills.
     
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    Z what do you think about Alphonso Smith? some say he is the best cover corner in the draft but he is only 5'9" so I am on the ropes. To me 5'9" is too short to warrant a 1st round pick. What round is Chung perjected to go in?
     
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    Depending on who else is on the board, I'd be very happy with Alphonso Smith. If we did take somebody like English instead, here is a CB to look at for the mid second round. He's this year's darkhorse, and has been compared to Rogers-Cromartie:
    http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/coye-francies?id=79903#player-profile-tab-set-1:player-profile-tab-analysis

    Coye Francies, CB

    Analysis

    Positives: Good frame to add additional mass. ... Good straight-line speed. ... Loose hips to turn and run with receivers. ... Good agility. ... Can plant and drive out of his cuts. ... Good awareness in coverage. ... Rarely out of position. ... Has a closing burst to the ball. ... Long arms and active hands to slap away the pass. ... At least adequate hands for the interception. ... Good vertical jump and times his leaps well. ... Can high-point the ball and catch passes outside of his frame. ... Can track the ball over his shoulder. ... Active in run support. ... Fights around and through blocks and willing to stick his head into the pile. ... Willing to lower his shoulder into the ballcarrier. ... Can break down in space and make the open-field tackle. ... Generally reliable wrap-up technique. ... Good speed and vision as a kick returner. ... Averaged 22.4 yards per return at Oregon State. ... Strong weeks of practice at East-West Shrine Game and Senior Bowl. ... Voted a team co-captain and considered a good locker room presence, despite gun charge that led to suspension from Oregon State.


    Negatives: Lighter than scouts would like, especially considering his height. .. Especially thin in the hips and lower legs. ... Very physical in coverage, which could lead to penalties at the next level. ... Only 15 starts at the D-I level over his career.

     
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    Z im glad you would go after Alphonso Smith cause i thought we should draft him but thought he would be too small for people on the forum to get on board so its good to see other people liking this guy as much as I do. Smith is by far the best cover corner in the draft and is the most "pro ready" CB in teh draft from what i have read about him. I am very high on Chung, from everything i have heard and read about that kid he could be a really good SS at the next level.
     
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    Faucetman,

    Mayo and Mankins were also considered "reaches" when the Patriots drafted them, and that turned out ok. If BB really wants Chung, and thinks he will be gone before #47, he will take him at #23. That's the way he operates. I'm not saying it will definitely happen, but I would have no problem at all with Chung at #23.
     
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    Taking ASmith or Davis would be great pickups at 23. I don't think Davis will last to us, but if he does, he'd be a great pickup. Even if he can't handle the CB position, he'd be a great FS.
     
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    The only problem I see with that plan Kyle is that Merriwhether is more of a Free Saftey rather then a Strong Saftey so if we took Smith and he became a Free Saftey one of them would have to play out of position.
     
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    Has anyone heard any Matt Cassel rumors at all? I would like to see him end up on an NFC team, but if he does land in the AFC I hope it's with the Chiefs. With Scott Pioli running the ship it appears that he would be in good hands and playing in the AFC West there could be a possibility of the Chiefs turning it around rather quickly. Pioli and McDaniels will see each other twice a year and I know I'll be watching who they bring in through F/A and through the draft.

    Who do you guys see the Pats looking at in F/A the next coming weeks?

    "Florida TE Cornelius Ingram said Friday that he hopes to be drafted by the Patriots.

    Florida coach Urban Meyer has close ties to Pats coach Bill Belichick. With the Pats souring a bit on Ben Watson, they could be targeting a mid-round tight end in this year's draft."

    ESPN.com http://www.rotoworld.com/

    "Alabama OT Andre Smith announced Friday that he will not work out at all at this weekend's Combine.


    Still out of shape, Smith has less than a month to get ready for his March 11 Pro Day."

    NFL.com


     
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    I think what you meant to say was the Pats FANS are souring a bit on Ben Watson not the team as I have never once heard coach Belichick or anyone from his staff anything bad about Watson. The fans on thsi forum might be calling for his head but no one the Pats has said anything about cutting or trading Watson.
     
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    Best possible situation for Pats:
    1) Malcolm Jenkins runs a 4.4-4.5 40 yd dash, decreasing his stock.
    2) Pats trade Cassel for a mid to late 1st round pick
    3) Pats take Jenkins with earliest pick
    4) Pats take Larry English or best available defensive player (not a corner) or OL with later 1st round pick
    5) Pats turn Jenkins into SS or FS depending on where they decide to play Meriweather

    I don't think they should draft a corner early because they already have young players at the position who show some potential. As far as offensive players, they should probably get a RB earlier than a TE, to have a young player waiting in the wings in case Maroney doesn't prove himself in 2009.
     
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    MVP,

    I didn't write that, it was the writer from rotoworld.com that put in his 2 cents about Watson. I like Watson and hope he re-signs with the Pats, but we'll have to wait and see if he wants big money in the F/A market.

    The Raiders are cleaning house this winter and released three more players today. Would any of you guys be interested in Wilson if he came at a reasonable price? I could see the Giants being interested in bringing Wilson back.

    "Raiders released S Gibril Wilson.

    Ronald Curry and Kalimba Edwards were also released. Similar to DeAngelo Hall, Wilson signed a lengthy deal just a year ago for $16 million guaranteed. Though he was productive with 129 tackles in 2008, Wilson was never worth what the Raiders paid. Now that they've spent big to keep Nnamdi Asomugha and Shane Lechler, Wilson was more of a luxury than a necessity. Fellow safety Michael Huff survives for now."

    Sacramento Bee

    http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playernews.aspx?sport=NFL

     
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    Aaron Maybin checks in at 250. Before and after photos:

    http://draftcountdown.com/forum/showthread.php?t=30372
     
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    Z, let's see how Maybin looks in the drills. 3/4 LB would be a new position, and we haven't seen him in space much. I know you're not partial to the Big Ten or Sophmores, but try to keep an open mind. Writing off a top flight sophmore as a bust seems a bit much.
     
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    ZB, I completely agree with you and you did mention thatt you like Jamon Meredith in a previous post. Mayock said he was concerned about Meredith and questions why he got benched this year and why he was moved inside this year. Cook looked like a beast in that spandex get up and he surely helped his stock with that impressive 40 time.

    I was also impressed with James Casey and Cornelius Ingram today. They both looked like they were in excellent shape and Casey put up 27 reps on the bench press.

    I loved the slow 40 time from Pettigrew. I'm sure it won't matter but lets hope he slips to us. Mayock has him #8 on his Top 20 Board and he doesn't think the slow 40 time will effect his stock.

    Oh no not a Workout Warrior II. I can only imagine all the threads now if Maybin puts up freakish numbers.

    I'm curious to see how some of the top players like Curry, Orakpo and Everette Brown do during the combine. We soon will see!

    " Florida TE Cornelius Ingram ran an official 4.68 forty at the Combine.

    A torn ACL cost Ingram his entire senior season, but he's healthy now. He measured a robust 6'4/245 and could sneak into the draft's first day."

    http://www.rotoworld.com/

     
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    Ohio State ILB James Laurinaitis measured 6'2/244 at the NFL Combine weigh-in.

    There is talk of Laurinaitis' stock dropping after he skipped the Senior Bowl, but NFL Network's Mike Mayock still has him as the No. 11 player in the draft. A pure inside linebacker, he'll appeal to non-Tampa 2 teams.

    http://www.rotoworld.com/

     
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    Drat Buckeyes at your peril.
     
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    Draft, that should say.
     
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    Although I suppose you could drat them, too.


    "Drat you, Andy Katzenmoyer!"
     
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    He is said to have excellent lateral quickness, so I'm assuming loose hips are a big part of that. We'll see in the drills. Gholston had very stiff hips. Two very different players.

    I wouldn't call Maybin a muscle guy now. His proportions look very good for a 3/4 LB. He's just no longer grossly under-developed.

    He'll probably go top 10-15, which is a bummer to me.

    After this combine I get the feeling Cassel's pre-draft trade value will drop, as executives get excited about the potential of these prospects. A draft pick is never more valuable than right before the draft, and every day that goes by is a day that Cassel's trade value goes down, until after the draft.
     
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    [Quote]Although I suppose you could drat them, too.


    "Drat you, Andy Katzenmoyer!"[/Quote]



    I hear ya! I was just updating the board with players that may be around #23.
     
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    Quote from Faucetman in Matt Cassel Thread

    "Cassel is going to KC for #34 this year and their 2nd round pick next year. I think that's it. This was probably negotiated with Pioli before he left so the Pats were risking nothing when they tagged Cassel assuming Cassel goes along with it. With pick #34, the Patriots draft Alphonso Smith. At #23, Brandon Pettigrew. At #47 Clay Matthews. At #58, Rashad Johnson. There are my 1st day predictions. All needs met and we still have 6 picks to make, lol."

    I'm not sure how credible this site is but I found this a little while ago and would like to share it with you guys. Thoughts?

    "The Lions are currently seriously considering dealing for Patriots quarterback Matt Cassel. According to my source, New England is actively looking to deal him.”

    http://draftheadquarters.com/blog/?p=475
     
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    Faucetman,

    I completely agree with you and I posted a couple days ago that if Cassel was to land in the AFC, I'd hope it was with the Chiefs for many reasons. I think what you propesd in the Chiefs deal could be enough to satisfy BB and the Pats to agree to that deal. I read this over at ProFootballTalk.com and came across this IMHO as smoke-screen to take the attention off a possible trade. Here's the link.

    PIOLI THINKS CASSEL HASN’T SIGNED FRANCHISE TENDER

    http://www.profootballtalk.com/
     
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