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    Do you think the Jets will invest in another OLB? They have Pace, Thomas, Gholston, etc., and I'm not familiar with their other back-ups. Seems to me that they have bigger needs than OLB.

    Consider: if Barwin goes higher, someone else goes lower. It's a simple equation, because there's only a limited number of spots to fill in each round. In effect, if the Patriots don't get the guy they want, most likely their number two guy is now available--or even better, someone falls a bit.

    I'm at the point where #34 is more valuable than Peppers, but that's just me.
     
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    Z, I feel the same way. Given the depth at certain positions--and its pleasant coincidence with our needs--we ought to feel confident that we can target LB, OL, WR, and maybe S/CB. After that it's pure gravy.

    Oh, do you get the feeling that Alphonso Smith is slipping a little? I haven't seen him as high in drafts lately. Other prospects are creating more of a buzz. But after watching more of his videos, especially his interview on NFL.com, I'm convinced that he's the most intelligent and instictive of the CBs in this class. I know he's short, but is 1 - 2 inches really that big a deal? I imagine that positioning yourself properly more than makes up for those inches.

    CB 1 is 6'1 and runs a 4.3 but takes a false step now and again, and relies omre on athleticism than an understanding of the game.

    CB 2 is 5'9 and runs a 4/5 but is always in position, understands the defense, and sits in on QB meetings to better understand offenses.

    Which do you take in this scenario? If he's still available early 2nd, then I think his value is too great to pass him up.
     
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    Is this where safeties who can cover become more valuable? Hm . . .

    I wonder if Mayo signals a shift in ILB as well. He's smaller, quicker, better in coverage. If our inside backers and our safeties are all cover guys, perhaps we can get away with a bigger front 3 - 5?

    Ideas to ponder, I suppose.
     
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    I'm not torn with Peppers. I don't want him at all. I'd much rather see us not tie up the annual cap space (realistically somewhere around $8-11M) so we can extend Wilfork and Mankins. I'd rather us draft a Sintim, Barwin or Sean Smith (if we don't take them at #23) at #34 for $1M a year for the next several years and have a younger/faster ILB/OLB/SS, rather than Peppers, who'll be able to rush the passer on third down, but be a coverage liability at OLB.
     
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    Hm. I certainly wouldn't want to weaken one area in order to cover up a discrepency in another, but do we kow for sure that Peppers would be a liability in coverage? Ahhh, the not knowing is killing me!
     
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    Yeah, I agree with you guys that NYJ is an unlikely destination for Barwin. I was just struck that their head coach showed up at the Cincinnati pro day, given that there were 10 other top program pro days going on at the same time.

    I guess I'll chalk that up to Rex Ryan being a former coach of theirs, and perhaps looking at Mickens and other players as well.

    I'd be very happy with Maybin at 23 as well, although I think Barwin would be my preferred pick.

    I think Maybin might be a slightly better pure pass rusher, given his insane first step and insanely long arms. But I think Barwin will be better at every other OLB skill, as well as toughness.

    But if Barwin's gone at 23, and Maybin is there, it will be an acceptable consolation prize.
     
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    Does anybody have Maybin's arm length measurements? What about English, Sintim, etc?

    I just found Barwin's. 32.5" arm length and 10.0" hands. Pretty good.

    http://gobearcats.cstv.com/auto_pdf/p_hotos/s_chools/cinn/sports/m-footbl/auto_pdf/ProDayLog
     
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    Not to go off the topic of Barwin (who I think is great, and just a question, does anyone know where Barwin would have ranked as just a TE), but I was reading NFL.com article about small school/canadian schools kids that could get drafted, and I think that Jamall Lee looks like something. He could be a late round option as a developmental back. He is massive at 6-1 and 225 (thats B. Wells, and Rashad Jennings size) and runs a 4.39 ish 40 which is simply amazing. He runs high which isn't good for a guy his size but he can be tought to run lower, he also doesnt look to be afraid of a little contact. I think he would be a good commitee back, which NE is starting to use, I think he could be a good pickup if we miss out on some other backs
     
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    Bishop is a college in Canada, so i mean its CFL country, its decent but not like a big 12 school. And i know highlights are just the highlights but on the two Youtube video's i found he simply looks dominante making a lot of long runs
     
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    J Lee sounds like an intriguing talent. Can he catch screen passes & block? The Pats will need an eventual replacement for K Faulk.

     
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    It looks as though he can catch, in the highlight reel he had a nice catch in double coverage. Bishop runs the spread so I dont think he was called on to block all that much, but blocking is another thing that could be worked on.
    He rushed for 4,296 yards in college, He is the son of a CFL RB, he also had a vertical jump of 44 inches, he is considered on of the top prospects in the CFL draft.
     
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    JoshuaTree,

    I've been a fan of K Faulk since his LSU days & he really worked at it to become a good blocker. He's always had good hands & speed & an ability to make tacklers miss. I think the Pats have a good group of RB's but I'm not sure if they have a RB with his versatility that they can develop for the future. J Lee sounds like he could be an every down type of back although it would be an adjustment from playing at Bishop to the NFL.

     
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    David there would most deffinetly be a learning curve, as with all rookies, his might be a little larger. He just has some things that can't be taught, and if has the work ethic than he could be a very complete back
     
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    I thought Barwin moving up to around #23 was crazy. I guess I'm out of line again.
    http://www.profootballtalk.com/category/rumor-mill/
    Scroll down to Cincinnati's Barwin in Demand.
     
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    Does anyone think that the #23 or 34 pick become valuable if Freeman is on the board ? Like Cleveland and Quinn a player could fall to #23 or #34 that alot of teams would covet making either of those picks valuable as trade commodities. Much like Hester and the SD pick.
    For the record, if Spikes has a good senior campaign the Pats will not have a shot at him in the 2010 draft. He'll be top 10 material (heck he is already). Same goes for Taylor Mays.

     
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    I just hope we nail our first four picks, if we use them all. Even #59 should net a starter, which is why I wouldn't trade it to move up for Maualuga.

    There are going to be some seriously pressing needs next season, and we very well might be drafting for need at positions which force us to reach (LT, DE?)

    We have relatively minor needs this year, which is very fortunate. OLB is the only dire need at the moment, while most other teams have numerous dire needs.

    Next year, Mankins and Wilfork will no longer be good values. They will be fair value at best, assuming good health. I don't think there is an acceptable alternative to Wilfork, but I think a decent and much better value can be found for Mankins in this year's draft.

    If the OLB we draft this year, combined with Crable and others, prove not to be up to the task, I think a fraction of the money that would have gone to Mankins next year could be spent on an exceptional OLB free agent next year.

    Linebackers and Safeties, arguably our two greatest needs this year, are also the lowest paid positional players when free agency rolls around.

    I hope as a general strategy BB uses our picks to draft positions that are more expensive to fill in free agency, even if there is not an urgent need at the position right now.

    Mankins replacement at Guard, Cornerback, Left Tackle, a possible Seymour replacement, and even Brace at #34 to replace Wilfork should be strongly considered.

    Brace might not be nearly as good as Wilfork, but I'd be willing to bet he would be a better value than what Wilfork will command in free agency. Given that linebackers are significantly cheaper than nose tackles, and given the traditional dominant role linebackers play in a 3-4 formation, I think it wouldn't be a bad idea to replace Wilfork with Brace, and use that Wilfork money to address a couple different needs, including a top MLB free agent if needed.

    We have 3 free agents next year who all play some of the most expensive positions in the game (Wilfork, Seymour, and Mankins). I would rather draft value at their positions where possible, and sign free agents at other, cheaper positions that will help compensate for their loss at better value.
     
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    Who are our Cornerbacks next year?
     
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    Z, I meant the year after this coming year. I think we're fine for this year, but I think we should use a mid-late 2nd rounder on a CB, at the least. It's an expensive position to fill in FA for the most part, though FA seems to have worked out well this year.

    Byrd, Francies, or Moore at 59, I'd hope.

    There will be several other needs next draft.
     
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    I think Wheatley is a very good player, but his health can't be counted on, so if it looks like a similar caliber player may be available at 58 (and it does) who is also less injury prone, it would obviously be something to look at.

    It's definitely a tricky situation with the number of CBs we have now, even if Springs could be moved to safety.

    If one of our picks was traded for a pick next year, and a CB wasn't drafted, I would also be happy with that.

    I think running back is a position you can turn to in the draft at the last minute without using a first or second rounder, but it's riskier trying that with CBs.

    Maybe there's a good hybrid CB/Safety that they can draft, and put him at CB next year if need be.

    Speaking of hybrids, Unger might make sense at #34, since he can play anywhere on the O Line and help soften the blow if/when Mankins leaves after next year.

    I also get the feeling that Laurenaitis might fit better with a Peppers infused front 7 than Maualuga, given his better range and coverage abilities. He and Mayo could cover a lot of ground together, and help make up for Peppers' weakness in coverage.

    Lot's to consider, that's for sure.
     
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    Wonderlic scores:
    http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/football/bears/chi-22-pompei-scout-mar22,0,7151782.story

    Percy Harvin scored a 12. Ouch. Maualuga only scored a 15.
     
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    Peppers aint happenin. FAce it.

    At 23 -- Percy Harvin or Malcolm Jenkins or the best LB available

    at 34 -- Hakeem Nicks or CB or LB

    at 47 -- Ron Brace or G/C Antoine Caldwell or William Moore

    at 58 -- best remaining player at position of need -- tackle, LB, or safety/CB
     
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    Arod, thanks for that link.

    Scratch Harvin from the list. We don't need another Chad Jackson, nothing above the neck.

    As for Maulauga....thats not good news. Think back to our linebackers....Bruschi, Vrable, Colvin, Seau....they are all very smart guys.

    Same goes for Mayo....very intelligent player.

    I'm starting to sour on Maulauga.....unfortunately.
     
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    I'm starting to think Michael Johnson, GT.

    I saw a lengthy interview on youtube. He seems like a good guy with a solid background and appears to have the smarts BB looks for.

    Not to mention his physical freak-ness.
     
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    Peppers is perhaps more likely than Jenkins.
     
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    Shame that Maualuga appears to be dumb as a brick. Intelligence is vital for a defender in the Pats 3-4 system, especially playing the mike linebacker.

    Does anyone know Barwin's wonderlic score?
     
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