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    Actually I think the wonderlic results aren't officially released, so like the scores described in the above link, whatever we hear about Barwin's score will be second hand. A quick google search revealed nothing for me.
     
  2. You have chosen to ignore posts from mountainmonkey. Show mountainmonkey's posts

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    Pyegian...based on his wonderlic score, it probably took Maualuga four years of college just to learn to spell his last name properly. He couldn't find Foxboro with GPS...we need an ILB with some smarts...let's keep looking...
     
  3. You have chosen to ignore posts from pyegian. Show pyegian's posts

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    I've asked a few times but my question with Matthews is whether he is a guy who can come in, play on the outside and put up double digit sacks. He just doesn't seem like an edge rusher to me, maybe its because he didn't get much of a chance to do it at USC, but really, if not Barwin, I'll take anyone who can impact a game rushing off the edge.
     
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    Yeah, Mayo is definitely calling the plays if he teams with Mauluaga. He still hasn't had his pro day (April 1st) so he could rise or fall there too. RM hits like a ton of bricks, but he is not as smart or as fast as Mayo. What people say about Cushing or Mathews applies to RM (hiding deficiencies and playing to strengths) and next year it will apply to Mays. This happens routinely when a player is part of a great defense; another example is how good will Scott be without Ray Lewis or Ed Reed. To me playing great defense is always more important than personal accolades.

     
  5. You have chosen to ignore posts from mountainmonkey. Show mountainmonkey's posts

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    Faucetman....huh?...the President of basketball operations for the Indiana Pacers would perform worse on the Wonderlic score than Maualuga.? Do you want another chance at creating a decent analogy?
     
  6. You have chosen to ignore posts from arodrambone. Show arodrambone's posts

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    I'd be very tempted if Brace was there at 34, but definitely not at 23.

    If Maualuga was there at 23, that might make it even more tempting to take Brace at 34, because having such a strong ILB behind the nose tackle would make it somewhat easier to survive Wilfork's departure.

    Wilfork will be able to command as much money as he wants, and it could very well be a hundred million dollar deal if that's what he pushes for, especially if he has a good year. I would not want to be at his mercy next year, and I bet the Pats regret not locking him up long-term before the Haynesworth deal was signed.

    Having Brace and Wilfork on the team together might be somewhat awkward and insulting to Wilfork, but maybe we could try some interesting formations, and Wilfork will still be motivated by scoring big on the open market. We could always trade Brace down the road if we were able to come to an acceptable deal with Wilfork.

    I know that RMaualuga and Brace at 23 and 34 would not address our need at OLB, but maybe Taylor gets signed before the draft, or an arrangement is made for his signing after the draft.

    If Maualuga fell to us at 23, and Barwin/Maybin were gone at 34, and OLB was somehow addressed in some other way for this season, and Brace was there at 34, it would be something to strongly consider.

    There does not appear to be a Seymour fill-in available at 23 or 34. An eventual replacement for Mankins would be another thing to consider at 34, or somebody like Beatty, if the OLine could be shuffled around.
     
  7. You have chosen to ignore posts from pats-fan-2007. Show pats-fan-2007's posts

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    Brace #34 would be a major reach. There are about a dozen players I would take instead.
     
  8. You have chosen to ignore posts from arodrambone. Show arodrambone's posts

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    Interesting point Pats Fan. Brace does weigh 30 pounds more than Wright, but I'm sure there is something to your argument.

    They say baseball pitcher rely on their rear ends to no small extent, and Pedro's butt was explained to be a significant source of his power.

    I agree that Brace wouldn't seem like a great value at 34, and I know he didn't face many double teams playing next to Raji.

    But as more and more teams switch over to 3-4, the price of nose tackles will be skyrocketing.
    I imagine some 5 teams will be bidding for Wilfork next year, and we will be but one of them.

    I don't know what the long-term solution at Nose is, but I'm skeptical the solution is out-bidding 4-5 other teams for Wilfork's services, especially after the Haynesworth deal.

    Hopefully BB has something up his sleave, like a long-term contract for Wilfork this off-season.
     
  9. You have chosen to ignore posts from pats-fan-2007. Show pats-fan-2007's posts

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    2008 Wonderlic Scores. I'm not sure how accurate these are, but they're fun to look at.

    Note that Mayo and Wheatly had scores at or near the top of their respective groups.


    http://potencial.wordpress.com/2008/03/23/2008-wonderlic-scores/
     
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    Arod, I only watched a couple BC games, but I never really noticed Brace.

    He might end up being a good player, but I wouldn't bet a #34 on it. He might still be there in the 3rd round.
     
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    Brace started for a whole year without Raji, not sure how he did/the team defense did that year, i belive the team made the confernce championship but there should be plenty of film on him handling doubles and what he looked like without a top ten talent next to him
     
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    Faucetman..Jackie Macmullen wrote the book...Bird Watching...a history of Bird's total carreer as a player, coach, and executive. A more proper comparison would be to Bill Rusell....all things being equal, Russ and Bird could out think the he## out of any opponent on the floor...and that was an integral part of their greatness....15 on the wonderlic score...maybe Larry Birdsall....sure as he## not Larry Bird.
     
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    That Brace would be a downgrade from Wilfork is not in dispute. The debate is whether some 70-100 million dollars could be better spent shoring up less expensive positions than Nose Tackle, especially since 4-5 teams will be bidding on Wilfork.

    Hopefully he is locked up this offseason, but Wilfork becomes a lot less attractive in a crazy bidding war.
     
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    Agree with ZB on the conference debate. The SEC is the most competitive. Willis and Mayo case in point, but the old adage about how the NFL will find you if you are a good player is true. Case in point that Canadian fella you mentioned. Reuben Mayes revisited. Alot depends on the systems and the players (cf: recruitment). I do think you get a better assessment of a player based on the level of competition he faces; in the SEC you play a very good team at least every other week.

     
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    True, ZB. Another thing I`d like to add is that it is very difficult to find a good 3-4 nose. All the more reason to lock up Wilfork.
     
  16. You have chosen to ignore posts from reamer. Show reamer's posts

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    So I had, for some reason, a distinct dislike for Victor Harris, but I've been looking into his game recently, and I like how physical he is. He's really raw, but he's currently rated as a third rounder. I'm more than willing to gamble a third on this kid. His biggest knocks are his straight-line speed and his footwork. Both can be improved, however, and in one highlight I saw him run stride for stride with Darius Heyward-Bey, who is freakishly fast. Track speed does not equal football speed.

    Also, check this out: http://vault.sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1105992/index.htm

    Not saying Harris could be as good as Law, but I definitely see some similarities: same size and physicality, same nose for the ball, same ability and willingness to help out in run support. Law was truly special, but I don't see why Harris couldn't become a very solid starter--or at least an upgrade over the loveable smurf.
     
  17. You have chosen to ignore posts from Pats7393. Show Pats7393's posts

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    23rd- Connor Barwin DE/OLB/TE
    34th- Eben Britton OT or Merideth, depends who's avaialble
    47th- (if not traded for 2010) Sean Smith CB
    58th- Paul Kruger DE
    89th- Jasper Brinkley ILB
    3rd Compensatory- Ramses Barden WR (BTW 6'6" 227lb 4.50 40)
    120th- Terrance Taylor DT (can play nose)
    4th Compensatory-Courtney Greene SS
    6th Round-Alex Boone OT
    7th Round-Josh Mauga ILB
    7th Compensatory-Jared Bronson TE
     
  18. You have chosen to ignore posts from pyegian. Show pyegian's posts

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    Pats7393, good mock. I read an article recently about Barden and I'd be really happy getting him in the 3rd round. It seems like his stock is rising and he might go higher, though. 6'6 with 4.5 speed can't be taught. I also think Sean Smith might go higher, but everything fell into place that would be a killer draft.
     
  19. You have chosen to ignore posts from Pats7393. Show Pats7393's posts

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    Thanks, I also think Smith will be gone but that was my one pick that was more of wishful thinking than anything else.

    I looked at this guy Brinkley and I was surpriced how I have not heard of him before, doesn't have Mayo speed but it's a big hit type guy and will stuff anything in the middle against a run.

    Man can you imagine Moss, Barden, WW, Lewis and Galloway in a 5 receiver set? that will be sick to watch.
     
  20. You have chosen to ignore posts from Pats7393. Show Pats7393's posts

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    [Quote]That is very similar to my last mock


    #23 Barwin
    #34 Smith
    #47 Britton or Meredith or Mack

    #58 trade

    #89 Brinkley

    The more i think about it, the more Britton sounds like he needs to be here.

    I think Smith has a huge chance of rising right out of range though, but he is a good pickup either way.[/Quote]

    Z you are a smart guy lol
     
  21. You have chosen to ignore posts from titletownfan. Show titletownfan's posts

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    Pretty good Pats, not a bad mock at all

    #23 Connor Barwin
    #34 Ebon Britton
    #47 Patrick Chung
    #58 Trade
    #89 Jasper Brinkley
    #97 Coye Francies
    Rd 4 Rames Barden
    Rd 5C Andy Kemp
    Rd 6 Devin Moore
    Rd 6C BA
    Rd 7 BA
     
  22. You have chosen to ignore posts from Pats7393. Show Pats7393's posts

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    [Quote]Pretty good Pats, not a bad mock at all

    #23 Connor Barwin
    #34 Ebon Britton
    #47 Patrick Chung
    #58 Trade
    #89 Jasper Brinkley
    #97 Coye Francies
    Rd 4 Rames Barden
    Rd 5C Andy Kemp
    Rd 6 Devin Moore
    Rd 6C BA
    Rd 7 BA[/Quote]
    Here's my updated with the comp picks and trying to have some fun with it:

    23rd-Connor Barwin OLB/DE/TE
    34th-Traded to KC 2010 1st and 2009 5th 131st
    47th-D.J. Moore CB
    58th-Larry English OLB/DE (or Paul Kruger DE)
    89th-Jasper Brinkley ILB
    97th-Ramses Barden WR (6'6" 227lb 4.50 40)BB wants him he'll take at 58
    4th-Ricky Jean-Francois DT/DE
    5th From KC (my mock) Gerald Cadogan OL (possible LT)
    5th-Otis Wiley S
    6th-Alex Boone OL
    6th-Derek Nicholson ILB
    7th-DeAndre Wright CB
     
  23. You have chosen to ignore posts from reamer. Show reamer's posts

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    Faucet, I would be so happy with that draft! This is just about my favorite draft so far. I can't even begin to explain how exciting that would be. The only thing I'd change, potentially, would be to take James Casey instead of Cornelius Ingram, but I'd be happy with either one.

    That would be a lot of trading up, but we'd still end up with eight players, which is probably the maximum we can afford to add, both from a monetary and personnel standpoint.

    The only disappointment would be missing out on Everette Pedescleaux, who I think will be a beast at the next level. I'd rather keep our sixth rounder and hope that Unger falls a few more spots. Or, heck, I'd even pass on Gilbert (who I like a lot) and take everyone one slot sooner in order to nab Pedescleaux with the 6C pick.

    Gilbert is more athletic and a better pass-rusher, but he's not as stout against the run. He was used primarily to penetrate into the backfield. He's uber-talented as a big DE in the 4-3, but I don't know if he can play five-technique effectively; at only 288 he may not have the bulk to take on double-teams. Pedescleaux, on the other hand, absolutely destroys blockers one-on-one and I've seen him push back double-teams. He's enormously strong, and deceptively athletic for a 6'6 310 guy.

    Ideally, we end up with both. I think they could both be starters in time.
     
  24. You have chosen to ignore posts from Pats7393. Show Pats7393's posts

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    [Quote]
    With all these picks we can do whatever we want. How about this?

    #15 (23/58) Rey Maualuga ILB
    #34 Julius Peppers DE/OLB
    #42 (47/6th) Max Unger C/G
    #89 Jarron Gilbert DE
    #97 Cornelius Ingram TE
    4th (4th/7th) Pat White QB/WR/ST/WC
    5C Johnny Knox WR
    6C Quinn Johnson FB
    [/Quote]

    I don't think the Pats will make a move on RM based on personality and what he scored on his written test in the draft. Also the money for a top 15 is higher than at 23 and if Peppers comes on board where's all this money come from? If anything the Pats will trade to even later in the draft where they can still pickup, Barwin, Matthews (who BB likes) or ILB Laurinaitis in the 1st, I have them picking up ILB with the 89th Jasper Brinkley.

    Cap wise does not make since to bring in Peppers and move to 15 for RM. Is Laurinaitis that much of a drop from RM? I don't think he is but I'm not BB so we'll see.

     
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    23rd traded to Titans # 30 and 2010 3rd (titans get DT)
    #30 from Titans-James Laurinaitis (Barwin goes to dolphins at 25)
    #34 from KC traded to Atlanta for 1st 2010 (Atlanta gets LB)
    #47 Larry English OLB/DE
    #58 Jamon Meredith OT
    #89 Ramsees Barden WR
    #97 Ricky Jean-Francois DT/DE
    4th traded to Tampa for 2010 3rd
    5th Otis Wiley S
    6th Traded to Bears for 2010 5th
    6th Alex Boone OT
    7th DeAndre Wright CB

    And Jason Taylor gets sign.
     
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