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    no way the 4th gets traded for 2010 3rd, or 6th for 2010 5th, neither the Bears nor Bucs are that stupid. I don't think we trade #23, and English probably won't be there at #47.

    #23 Connor Barwin
    #34 William Beatty
    #47 William Moore
    #58 Trade for 2010 2nd, 2009 4th, Raiders
    #89 Jasper Brinkley
    #97 Coye Francies

    Rd 4A Rames Barden
    Rd 4B Brenard Scott
    Rd 5C Andy Kemp
    Rd 6 Trade
    Rd 6C Best Available
    Rd 7 Best Available
     
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    7393-Why would the Patriots move back to pick number 30, for only a 3rd round pick in 2010? For a 2nd round pick in 2009 maybe....
    #34 pick to a team like Atlanta for their 1st round pick in 2010 would probably not be that great, Atlanta is a rising team

    This is a draft with a lot of depth? Why trade out of a lot spots? It seems like they would want to trade up for that special player that they are looking for.
     
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    It struck me a couple days a go that because this is such a deep draft, with so many players being essentially similiar in skill sets and styles, that it almost doesn't matter who we pick up with which picks. In fact, as long as we get studs with 23 and 34, I'm pretty sure we'll end up with an absolutely fantastic draft, or at the very least several starters for the future.

    Look at a list of the top ten CBs, OLBs, OL, or WRs. They may have slightly different talents and will impact games in different ways, but their overall team contributions will likely be similiar in terms of production. Maybe I'm oversimplifying things, but it seems to me that we're pretty much set no matter what happens.
     
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    [Quote]It struck me a couple days a go that because this is such a deep draft, with so many players being essentially similiar in skill sets and styles, that it almost doesn't matter who we pick up with which picks. In fact, as long as we get studs with 23 and 34, I'm pretty sure we'll end up with an absolutely fantastic draft, or at the very least several starters for the future.

    Look at a list of the top ten CBs, OLBs, OL, or WRs. They may have slightly different talents and will impact games in different ways, but their overall team contributions will likely be similiar in terms of production. Maybe I'm oversimplifying things, but it seems to me that we're pretty much set no matter what happens.[/Quote]

    I totally disagree with you, it very much matters whom you pick! My school of thought is that if there are several players whose talent seems equal, then to me it's a cause for alarm. The reason being is that common sense indicates that not all of these so called "equally talented players" will have as good of careers as on another (it's not gonna happen). Therefore based on your opinion, these players haven't done enough to create separation from the pack which to me, means that the potential of picking a bust is very high.

    That said, I feel that Barwin & Maybin have started to create some separation from the pack at OLB. Sean Smith has started to create some separation from Alphonso Smith & Darius Butler at CB. I doubt that we'll spend a high pick on WR this year and as for OL, we may go there at #58 if this pick isn't traded.
     
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    Right, which is why only one or two players at each position ever make an impact in the NFL in each draft cycle . . . ?

    Sorry, I just think that there's a lot of talent to go around, and we have six fairly evenly spaced draft slots in the first three rounds, which means it doesn't really matter a whole lot which direction we go. I'm utterly confident that BB will find starters at at least three or four positions, and quite possibly upgrade the backup spots at another few.

    Also, it's purely a matter of opinon, but I disagree that Maybin and S. Smith have distanced themselves from the pack. If anything, I have Maybin rated as my fourth bset OLB prospect, and S. Smith as the fifth best CB.

    In other words, by virtue of our difference in player evaluations, we're proving my point: the top five or ten players at certain positions in this draft are all very good and all very likely to enjoy a productive career under BB.

    Can we agree on that at least? :)
     
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    And Maybin's arms are even longer than Johnson's. 35 3/4 or something. That is huge, especially going forward as he develps more functional strength.
     
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    Trade picks #23 & #89 to Chicago for #18 to move up for Ray Maualuga. #18 Ray Maualuga ILB rank 1 #34 Connor Barwin OLB rank 4 #47 Duke Robinson OG rank 1 #58 William Moore SS rank 2 #97 Keven Ogletree WR rank 13 (4.34 40) #124 Tony Fiammetta FB rank 1 #170 T.J. Lang OT rank 12 #199 Keven Huber P rank 1 #207 Lydon Murtha OT rank 20 #235 Jake Ingram LS rank 1. The Pats will pick the best available player at each pick to fill future needs, after the immediate needs for ILB, OLB, and SS, are filled.
     
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    [Quote]Trade picks #23 & #89 to Chicago for #18 to move up for Ray Maualuga. #18 Ray Maualuga ILB rank 1 #34 Connor Barwin OLB rank 4 #47 Duke Robinson OG rank 1 #58 William Moore SS rank 2 #97 Keven Ogletree WR rank 13 (4.34 40) #124 Tony Fiammetta FB rank 1 #170 T.J. Lang OT rank 12 #199 Keven Huber P rank 1 #207 Lydon Murtha OT rank 20 #235 Jake Ingram LS rank 1. The Pats will pick the best available player at each pick to fill future needs, after the immediate needs for ILB, OLB, and SS, are filled.[/Quote]
    Below is part of an article in NFL.com, the value of the draft is where NE has most of their picks. To trade up with a tight cap is probably not the best solution. IMO RM is not the type of player you go and do anything possible to get. JL is just as good of a player and will be availalble at 23 if they really want an ILB. There are also a couple of ILB that will be there late in the second round. You want a guy that gives TB some snaps to rest not take his place this year. Why I believe RM will not be a patriot unless he falls right into their lap much like VW did.


    5. First-round grades will be few
    The more I talked with personnel directors, the more I realized that most teams will not have 32 players with a first-round grade when the evaluation process is over. It appears closer to 20 to 25 guys will receive a first-round grade. That makes the top 10 picks of the second round very interesting, and a number of teams really want to get there.

     
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    Yeah, I'd rather have Laurenaitis at 34 and #89 than move up from 23 for RM.

    89 May very well be a future starter at Safety, TE, CB or some other position.
     
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    [Quote]Yeah, I'd rather have Laurenaitis at 34 and #89 than move up from 23 for RM.

    89 May very well be a future starter at Safety, TE, CB or some other position.[/Quote]
    At 89 I like Ramses Barden although his stock is moving up quickly but it's expected on a 6'6 230lb WR that runs a 4.50 he can become Randy's understudy and take over in a few years.

    If Laurenaitis is not available, Darry Beckwith or Jasper Brinkley are also an option. Beckwith is ranked higher than Brinkley but I think is because of Brinkley's injury there's a question there.
     
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    I think Barwin and Laurenaitis could be there at 34, but I think JL has a better chance of falling there.

    JL would seem to compliment Guyton better than RM, since JL could definitely play 3rd downs and cover tight ends or running backs. RM would seem to replicate what Guyton does, albeit better. We still wouldn't have a great solution on 3rd downs, unless it was 3rd and inches and RM would be good at stopping the short run up the middle.

    JL also would have more ability to play MLB in a 4-3, where Mayo could easily move outside.

    I think he'll be there at 34, and that would be a great place to take him.
    I think a better prospect will be there at 23, and I'd include Barwin in that group of better prospects.

    It's a real tough call, but I'd say the choice is RM at 23, JL at 34, or neither.
     
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    I don't have the concern about RM for that, too. The Pats can rotate him out in passing downs for Guyton or a DB. It frankly doesn't matter if he'll play just 2 downs. The role we need filled is only a 2 down role to begin with.
     
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    Faucetman, you make a great point on Beattie potentially replacing Kaczur with no cap hit.

    Personnally, I've never been a big Kaczur fan anyway.

    The thing about Beattie is that he has a rather thin frame and so he could get pushed around a bit. But adding weight and muscle should be a pretty easy proposition.

    Beattie would be our most athletic OL by far. I like this pick, especially @34.
     
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    23 to 97 is a coin flip, in later rounds I'll like to see the pats pickup Pierre Banks, they guy reminds me so much of Harrison. He should be there in the 5th unless the secret gets out so shhhhh don't tell anyone.
     
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    I'm watching a replay of NFL Network Path to the Draft.

    Mike Mayock said he timed Darius Butler @4.38.
     
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    I think Beatty will go in the first also. I would bet on it. He might be a bit of a boring pick at 23, but it's something to think about, since it's the only likely place we could draft him.
     
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    Wow. Butler's silky smooth coming out of his backpedal. I'm impressed.

    Did you guys see Michael Lombardi's most recent mock? He has Maualuga falling completely out of the first round. I highly doubt that happens--or if it did, that the Lions would pass on him--but could you imagine if we got him with 34? I think I'd faint!

    Right now I'm completely convinced that this is the rainy day we've all been waiting for. Time for BB to use the draft picks he's hoarded. I'd like us to aggressively trade up, especially into the second round, in order to pick up a LT, ILB, CB, and OLB. We can snag a safety and WR later on, and maybe an extra OL or DL, a third-down back, and a fullback. But those first four are essential.

    I can't wait to see Light move over to RT. I will leap for joy.
     
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    That trade up to 42/44 sounds pretty good to me Faucetman. Some very good OL will end up at 47, but little trades like that happen a lot with the Patriots, especially if they like Unger.

    We're going to be really surprised with the quality of prospects that drop to us at every pick we have in the first 3 rounds. There will be multiple great picks at each spot.

    It's pretty exciting. And who knows, maybe they draft a great player at 23, and then Beatty ends up at 34 after all.

    I'm very curious to learn how the new rules are going to affect the game and the drafting process.

    Teams will be throwing over the middle more, because receivers will be better protected. Does this make slot receivers more valuable? Does it make interior linebackers more or less valuable? How does it affect the preferred size of strong safeties?

    Any ideas ya'll?
     
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    Yeah, I'm hoping they take either a playmaking CB or a playmaking Safety somewhere in the 2nd round.

    23 and 34, OLB and OL

    47 and 59, Offensive skill position and secondary playmaker

    Here's some footage of Jasper Brinkley:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kkjy42-SIyI
     
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    Also, have we added a new kick returner this offseason?
     
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    Here's a new little video on Maualuga explaining why he's a 3 down linebacker. Interview included:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDJu9tm8OnY&feature=channel_page
     
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    #23 Connor Barwin, love his motor and maturity, he can be impact player and has mold of Vrabel. Clay Matthews is my second pick but he's not going to impact right away.
    #34 Sean Smith, finally a tall and fast safety (James Sanders just doesn't get it done!)

    Is Sean Crable ready?

     
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    [Quote]Here's a new little video on Maualuga explaining why he's a 3 down linebacker. Interview included:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDJu9tm8OnY&feature=channel_page[/Quote]

    The guy is a beast but if he won't be able to understand BB's defense doesn't matter how good he is he'll never be where he needs to be. His D is a control chaos, everyone has an assignment. I think JL is a much better option at ILB for the Pats, I guess I'm one of the few who thinks RM is just too over rated but looking at some mocks people are coming around because most have 3 or 4 LBs getting picked before RM.
     
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    Texans might be targeting Clay Matthews so he might be gone by 23, changes a few things and some players moving up:
    #23 Connor Barwin OLB
    #34 James Laurinaitis ILB
    #47 Beatty or Merideth OL (one will be here the other gone)
    #58 Ron Brace DT/NT
    #89 Ramses Barden WR
    #97 Phillip Hunt DE
    4th Rnd Ian Johnson RB
    5th Rnd Lydon Martha OT
    6th Rnd Pierre Banks S
    6th Rnd Morgan Trent CB
    7th Rnd Travis Bright OG

     
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