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Draft 5

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    Brace may lead to the occasional use of the 4-3 and to beef up red-zone defense.  Vollmer sounds like a project, he could project to 6'8" 370 (he has room to grow).  BB wouldn't take him this early if he didn't believe he has 5 star potential.  Butler is a great addition and Chung has good speed from the tapes I've watched.

    BILL IS PLAYING CHESS THE REST ARE PLAYING CHECKERS.
     
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    Love this draft for us so far.  

    And FOUR MORE picks in round 3!

    Have to admit, I'm curious to see what the Pats locker room would do with Michael Johnson.  Could be worth a flier.

    If we're not trading for Taylor or Peppers(I think the latter is possible tomorrow btw) that means BB liked what he saw last year in Crable.

    Love to add a Wideout too.  Need some depth there.


     
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    Zb, thank you for that pick by pick analysis, I was already happy with the picks, but you leave me going to bed even more excited about the players the Patriots have added already.

    I think both Chung and Butler are going to be stars.  Meriweather is also an emerging star.  I can't wait to have a young, athletic secondary that can actually stop the other team from throwing the ball all over the field.

    I find your comments on Brace interesting, I didn't know much about him because I honestly didn't anticipate him coming to New England.  I love Wilfork, and would hate to see him go, but he basically is a 2 down run stopper, and if Brace can replace that, it saves a lot of money. I may be in the minority, but I think Seymour is more important to the defense than any nose tackle in there.

    Michael Johnson and Lawrence Sidbury are my top targets for tomorrow.
     
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    Johnson nor Sidbury fit the Pats scheme.  Neither will be looked at.  They fit the 4-3 better. 
     
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    Wow....interesting day one to say the least. As usual the Pats seem to be playing it as smart as you'd expect. The trade with GB was pure genius...flipping a 1 they obviously weren't crazy about into 3 valuable picks in the meat of the draft.

    Chung! Butler! I didn't know much about Ron Brace, but they obviously thought highly of him....and Seymour for that matter...unless we take Jarron Gilbert today as Seymour's replacement. Think about how much $$ they would be saving if they replaced those 2 guys with a 2nd and 3rd round picks.  

    I know nothing about Vollmer but it doesn't seem like anybody besides ZB does either...seems like BB has to throw in one head scratcher every year just to get his kicks.

    Oh well on Barwin/Maualuga....at the point we'd passed on Maualuga 3 times I knew he wasn't the pick @ 34...but that's just cuz I'm real smart. ;-)

    JTaylor is obviously going to be a Patriot...would've been interesting to see if we would've bit on English @ 23 if he was there though.

    It'll be nice to have a fully stocked and loaded defensive backfield next year. It's been awhile since we've had the toys to compete back there it seems.

    Today I hope we use the 3rd rounders on: ILB, DE, TE, T & WR. Putting Bruschi's replacement in the pipeline seems highly necessary if someone like Brinkley's there...but maybe they have someone pegged in FA next year or they like Guyton more than I think. Either way the depth at that spot isn't great as it is.

    Well fellas...happy drafting!
     
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    Yeah I think they at least deserve a B+ IMHO. I mean they got a guy with a 1st rnd grade and got him #41 talk about a steal. They also got Chung and he was SS I wanted the Pats to grab over Delmas/Moore. Hopefully he can come in and contribute right away to shut up the doubters but I think BB and the Pats know alot more how to run a team than your average fan. Ron Brace could be the ending of VW but at least the Pats have a fall back plan at their price. The only curveball was Vollmer and thats because I never really heard anything about him other than seeing his name at NFLDraftCountdown.com.
     
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    Clearly Maualuga has some issues for him to slip right out of the first rnd and we've already discussed MJ and his size is really what intrigued me all the way through but I agree the Bengals can have them because that team is leader less from the top to the bottom. I really feel bad for Carson Palmer but not that bad because he's getting paid millions.

    What do you think ZB do the Pats draft R. Jennings with #83?
     
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    What did the Pats get for their first 3 round pick?
     
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    What did the Pats get for their first 3 round pick?
    Posted by mrmikejohnson


    They traded with the Jags and got their 7th round this year and next years 2nd rounder. IMHO the Pats got a steal out of this deal!
     
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    Pats select Brandon Tate and I must say I love this pick a 1st round talent at #83 wow!
     
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    Ugh. I was excited until I heard "he tested positive at the combine."
     
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    As expected, Coach Bill ANNIHILATED my perception of what we should be doing, in the first 2 rounds!

    And that is fine with ME! In Bill We Trust!

    By far, the most underrated aspect of managing a football team is the Salary Cap, the constraints of which force all teams to plan a good 3 to 5 years ahead. While that may seem ridiculous ~ and of course it IS ~ the ones who fail to do so ~ and that's at least 25 of the 32 teams, frankly! ~ continually and constantly watch, helplessly, as their teams get torn apart, as they are forced to let more of their Core leave than they can possibly afford.

    The rest of the league was cutting the distance between them and Coach Bill, ere the last 4 years...

    But Coach Bill is pulling away, surging, once again, and doing so right before our very eyes...VERY reminiscent of Bill Walsh and the Miners of the latter 80's.

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    In short, Coach Bill wasn't feeling the love for Maualuga, Matthews, et cetera...or any of the rest of the Top 32. He just didn't see them as being worth investing a Gold Chip Pick in...or, more importantly, in investing precious Salary Cap Room in.

    Now, we've got 4 2nd Round Picks, and 4 3rd Round Picks.

    That...is INSANE.

    That is INSANE.

    Right now, most Yankees are howling in rage, because Coach Bill didn't draft anyone most'f us'f ever HEARD of.

    But those folks don't realize how SEISMIC this weekend's event have BEEN.


    The most damaging attribute of The Salary Cap Era has been DEPTH. Had the Salary Cap not forced us ~ even with the truly MAGNIFICENT management of Coach Bill and Counselor Pioli, ere the last 9 years ~ to strip down our Reserves to vulnerable levels, we wouldn't've bottomed out at Running Back in 2005, at Wide Receivers in 2006, at LineBackers in 2007, and at QuarterBacks in 2008.

    We would've, most likely, won an additional 4 Super Bowls...and been working on our 7th consecutive, right now.

    The Salary Cap is EVIL.

    ***

    DEPTH.

    Depth of Talent.

    Depth of young, talented players of Skill and Ferocity at all positions.

    Because of YEARS of judicious, patient, and disciplined management of Draft Picks and Veterans, Coach Bill has put us in...an extraordinary position.

    We went into this draft with the deepest and most talented team in the WORLD. In the WORLD.

    We went into this draft with two guys who I'm betting will soon be considered the Greatest Coach AND the Greatest QuarterBack of All Time.

    We went into this draft with a fusion of talent, experience, depth, and youth that is the ENVY of all other 31 teams.

    And now we're in the middle of surging FAR ahead of where we already were.

    8 picks in the first 3 Rounds???

    The value of having a DEEP roster of young, talented, and dedicated professionals, playing for BEANS...can NOT be overestimated.

    We are going to have ~ minus whichever number of picks we trade forward to enhance NEXT year's draft ~ anywhere from 6 to 8 Top 3 Round picks ~ and an equally advantageous position NEXT year! ~ who we'll be able to lock up for 5 YEARS, as they and the other young talents we already have infuse a TIDAL WAVE of Speed, Power, and Ferocity into this team of passionate, self-sacrificing GREATS that it is truly a privilege to root for.

    Coach Bill just took out a Lien on the next 5 years.

    As INSANE as it is to even say it, the best years of the Patriots are almost certainly
    yet to come.

    I can't believe it.
     
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    They did a lot of work on Tate pre-draft. He'll be a great pick.
     
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    Tate is another outstanding pick.  He'll fall into line just like everyone else does in New England, and he's one of the 3-4 most talented receivers in the draft.  #3 receiver by 2010.
     
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    Nice post Brackula. Pats trade #89 to Titans for next years 2nd rounder. Awesome man!
     
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    I think this will go down as one of BB's better drafts, every guy he has taken so far should make our roster and the fools complaining obviously haven't been through this draft process too many times before.  Never doubt BB has done his homework on these guys and every pick so far has been a need position.

    We don't need an outside linebacker.  Pierre Woods is going to be a monster this season, Crable will be a solid back up.  If we sign Jason Taylor or another salary cap casualty before the start of the season it will be for depth and situational pass rushing.  Outside linebacker was highly overrated by the "experts" in this draft and we already have one of the best in the league with A Thomas.
     
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    woods!dead wood! come-on.maybe crable,or tully.AD is good for the LOLB,but is starting to get up there in age.his replacement will be needed in a year,or two.
     
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    I was hoping the Pats would land Barwin but with how the draft is panning out so far no complaints and I was also thinking they may land Jason Williams but the Cowboys grabbed him early.

    Just think ZB if they want Brandon Spikes next year they could package their new picks and grab him hopefully anywhere between 8-15.

    I still would like the Pats to draft Brinkley and R. Jennings but I'm prepared to be disappointed when they go to another team.
     
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    Hey Bill..just a reminder...pick #97 is a compensatory pick...YOU CAN'T TRADE THE DAMN PICK..NO MORE EGGS FOR NEXT YEAR...you gotta pick a football player....
     
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    The Pats take Tyrone McKenzie another nice pick. ZB you must be lovin this draft!

     
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    Yea well the way you have been picking the Pats guys I might as well pencil in Moore lol.
     
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    Humble thanks, JD! Coach Bill is RIDICULOUS!!!
     
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    He's versatile,  but does he project better inside or outside?  I would guess inside.  Good pick.
     
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