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Draft 5

  1. You have chosen to ignore posts from Rocky. Show Rocky's posts

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    I agree Z, the Patriots almost have to make trades to move up or aquire more picks for next year.  They do not have enough salary cap or available spots.
     
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    I'll wade in with my thoughts because this discussion needs some uninformed guessing: @23...Darius Butler...@34 Connor Barwin...@47 Louis Delmar...@58 Shawn Nelson.....and then get Brinkley or Appleby later....then fill in with WR, OT, and RB. The Pats are in a great position to load up,even on the second day...let's hope they really lock it down.
     
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    There are plenty of spots that could be contested by a rookie or earned by a rookie.
    1 QB
    1 RB
    1 or 2 WR
    1 TE
    1 OG
    1 or 2 DL
    1 OLB
    1 ILB
    1 DB
    1 S

    The Pats could definitely use 11 picks and end up controlling those players on the roster or reserve list the first day of the season. Injuries happen in the preseason and we could use the extra long term depth.
     
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    If BB thinks there is a stud worth moving up for I hope he pulls the trigger. We do not need all 11 picks. Curry at 3 would be great. However, we would have cap issues.

    Think defence with the first 4 picks. The offence may need help in a few years (RB,OL, WR) but the D needs it now to win next year.
     
  5. You have chosen to ignore posts from Faucetman. Show Faucetman's posts

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    If BB thinks there is a stud worth moving up for I hope he pulls the trigger. We do not need all 11 picks. Curry at 3 would be great. However, we would have cap issues. Think defence with the first 4 picks. The offence may need help in a few years (RB,OL, WR) but the D needs it now to win next year.
    Posted by thehub


    I think Maualuga at 15 would be great and affordable.
     
  6. You have chosen to ignore posts from KyleCleric2. Show KyleCleric2's posts

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    i don't see us necessarily needing to move up for Maualuga and we'd be better off with what we get at 23 and whatever other pieces necessary rather than 15.
     
  7. You have chosen to ignore posts from ohyes. Show ohyes's posts

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    Thanks guy's for the answers.

    Good one Faucet :) Is that Jag a type P #90

     I guess the consensus is @ 23 is take
    1. BPA @ any position / glaring need is not first thought here ( A Starter or really close)
    2. package an move up for Malualuga or other. Maybe who slips a little
    3. try and trade out
    4. take the LB you absolutly love because he could not be at 34 and we don't feel Woods/Guyton is THE GUY.

     @34  Take the LB of choice  value here with any of the list.
             English is just my guy.

    I think Rey M. was to USC as RAY L. is to the Ravens. In that the pieces can move around the core. You have to admit that Rey could make 2 or 3 play's a game that impact the other team/players thinking. Is Rey able to bring it to the next level is his big ? for me. Not 2 or 3 down LB. Can he cover? Can any of the LB's coming out for sure? What we do know is who ever we take they will be used in the best way to play to their strenght.

    Thankls for ripping kippers list. Z
    I hate it.
    We loose the chance to get English,Pettigrew, Harvin, Wood, Jenkins and Nicks @ 34. We know some was'nt making it to 2nd round anyway. Make's it all to real that if we don't jump right the first time it could hurt. We also know Brown's tremendous charater won't make him more productive in 09 with 4 other RB's.
     
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    Well thnx guys after reading all of these posts I'm now addicted to Aspirin! I don't know which player or players BB really likes but I live in Florida and if you want a star WR Percy Harvin is who the Patriots should draft.Forget about all of the wanna be OLB/DE's,just go offense! Then instead of worrying about how great the Defense is the Patriots can use the yankee theory beat them into submission!!!! Force the rest of the NFL to adjust to the offense.I would also draft Pat White if he's available,that way you can give Tom a break now and then and use the Wild Cat offense!Plus could you see the look on the defensive coordinators faces as they look out on the field and saw 4 wides named Moss,Galloway,Harvin and White that my friends would be 4.3 in the forty across the board!!! You send White in motion and drive the defense completely insane!!! Or you line Harvin up in the backfield and let them guess where the ball is going!!By the end of the first you'll see opposing coaches waving white flags!!!
     
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    Bozo
     What are you talking about?
    No way does Harvin or White take Welker off the field. HaHa
    You think Urban Myers is using this make others adjust philosophy?

    It's not that we know what BB is thinking. 
    It's what will the 22 teams in front of us do?
                       Grab a cool rag it's just a few more day's !!! Undecided
     
     
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    The pats will need to trade up to get alot of the players some of you put (ie maualuga, etc.). Try to be more realistic when you make your mocks, A player wont fall to ne's pick just because you want him to........
     
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    i don't see us necessarily needing to move up for Maualuga and we'd be better off with what we get at 23 and whatever other pieces necessary rather than 15.
    Posted by KyleCleric2


    I think we all agree that we need an impact player on defense as our top priority.  This doesn't necessarily mean we'll take one with our top pick.  If I were to rank the best defensive prospects for our system that have a reasonable shot at being there at #23 or with a slight move up (no more than adding #89) I'd rank them this way.  Trading #23 and #89 moves us up to between 17 and 18.

    #1  Rey Maualuga
    #2  Robert Ayers
    #3  Darius Butler
    #4  Ziggy Hood
    #5  James Laurinaitis
    #6  Connor Barwin
    #7  Brian Cushing
    #8  Clay Matthews
    #9  Michael Johnson
    #10 Larry English

    If we come out of this draft with one of these guys with either of our first two picks I'd say we have a better football team than last year.  Just getting Brady back assures that.
     
  12. You have chosen to ignore posts from ohyes. Show ohyes's posts

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    The running total on your list Z is 23 1st round guy's. That list don't include Freeman and by your standards he is a second any other year. Don't know how he becomes the BPA at 23 with your assessment. I think we all know that the Pats are not taking a QB first anywho. If the Pats had your list of 23 rated just as you rank them and everyone picks before us somewhere for thetop 22 then Davis is there and you take him. I just thought the Pats as well as everyone here would assume the BPA to BB was not a QB.

    From your post's Z

    The problem I see with this draft for NE is that there is very, very little difference between the defensive talent at #23 and at #34. This places NE in a kind of tought spot, because unless you are describing someone slipping to NE from the top-ranks, then it becomes hard to see how any player in there is more or less of a "reach" than any other.

    My contention is that with upcoming need at OL, DL, and TE, perhaps not as pressing as at OLB or other positions, it is still enough to take the better player if that is the case. Simply, if NE thinks Barwin or whoever is there at #34 (I say 50/50 chance) then you take the player you won't be able to get there,

    Anyhow, the fundamental makeup of this draft leaves me with the feeling that NE might end up going offensive at #23 if they think there is value down the line.

    I mean nabbing Pettigrew or Brown and hoping that the one of these Defensive prospects is still there at #34 seems borderline prudent.

    I think if Ne starts thinking about packaging it has to be for the only real "value" guy for them in the draft, and that would be Tyson Jackson-- who slots in like a Ty Warren and would have zero question marks as a 2-gap run stopper, at least less than Hood.

    Maybe there is an outside chance that they *love* Jenkins and if they see him slipping a bit they make a move on a free safety/corner hybrid type player??

    I still think one of the 4 choices with or @#23 is going to get your guy. But I'll edit
    I tried to get your thought's in. You seem to know player's/draft's


     
  13. You have chosen to ignore posts from ohyes. Show ohyes's posts

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    I think we all agree that we need an impact player on defense as our top priority.  This doesn't necessarily mean we'll take one with our top pick.  If I were to rank the best defensive prospects for our system that have a reasonable shot at being there at #23 or with a slight move up (no more than adding #89) I'd rank them this way.  Trading #23 and #89 moves us up to between 17 and 18. #1  Rey Maualuga #2  Robert Ayers #3  Darius Butler #4  Ziggy Hood #5  James Laurinaitis #6  Connor Barwin #7  Brian Cushing #8  Clay Matthews #9  Michael Johnson #10 Larry English If we come out of this draft with one of these guys with either of our first two picks I'd say we have a better football team than last year.  Just getting Brady back assures that.
    Posted by Faucetman


    Agreed Faucet   
    I think it's quiet possible we could get two of these guy's with 23&34. I'm not against the packaging of some late picks to move around. We can't keep'em all.

    As for what Kyle said
    i don't see us necessarily needing to move up for Maualuga and we'd be better off with what we get at 23 and whatever other pieces necessary

    Point well made Kyle  
    I think if we stick on the first two picks and BB thinks that these are his guy's. Say Laurinaitis then Barwin OR  Matthews then Johnson. While their not my first choices. It would be fun to see what these to could add to the team going through camp.
 
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    Very good analysis guys. As we all agree that there is no real stud available at #23, I would trade up and get a sure DL or OL for future. Then in the second round get OLB, CB, SS.

    If not Pettigrew is the only real deal available for us at #23. What you guys think?
     
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    Are the Pats having Pettigrew in for a visit? Have they shown any interest? Anybody know his wonderlic score? I know that they might intentionally NOT have him in for a visit to mislead everybody else. Though his 40 time does suck, I think he would be a solid safe selection @ 23...though Jared Cook and Chase Coffman should be there in late 2nd or 3rd and Cornelius Ingram could be there even @ 100.

    As far as need DL will be a big one next season. Fork, Sey will be looking for bucks and
    Jarvis Green will be a goner most likely. Overall, it seems like DL and TE are 2 positions that have warranted 1st round picks in the past so I wouldn't be surprised if that were the case again. Z seems to think that Tyson Jackson would be our guy if DL was the case...but it seems like Jarrod Gilbert fits the size profile of our DE's too so if we don't go DE @ 23, either 47 or 58 may be an option as well.

    Personally I like Darius Butler (or V. Davis) @ 23 because of the price tag on high quality DB's these days...though it seems like we do have some depth for this season, next year both Hobbs and Bodden are going to be FA's.


    For the record, I hate the idea of taking Donald Brown @ 23.


    To me Maualuga is the sleeper that could drop and if that's the case I think we might bite. ILB is an impending if not immediate area of need and if you can get a guy who could've been top 5 last year @ 23 this year then i think we would.

    Z, your last post was monstrous and spot on.
     
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    Sorry for the trouble Z
    Not trying to be a stickler just understand.
    The post was a consensus

    [/Quote] In short, you approach the draft mindful of three things: Need, available talent, value at position. And if you are draftin high, salary profile at a position becomes very important.

    I think what your trying to say is.
     Need / Look at team needs both long & short term and how fast you need them

    Talent / who can you pick from that fits your scheme and your ranking of them at one of the positions

     Value /   who's there that fits and who will be left over talent wise and the drop off according to your ranking of said players at your next pick and how bad you need to fill a slot at a givin position

    You assume
    You don't just draft people because they are talented, you draft based on what your team needs down the road. Anyone who watches the draft over a number of years, even casually, should understand this

    I assumed
    That anyone that read the post knew we would fill a need on some level with a 1st Rd pick.

    Again Sorry for the mix-up

     
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    I have New England making a couple trades in this mock

    Trade #23 and #58 to Houston for #15 and a 3rd rounder next year.  Trade #124, #234, #204 to Kansas City for their 4th rounder (#102) as well as a 6th rounder next year.  

    #15 Rey Mauluga

    The perfect complement to Mayo, A hard hitter with decent speed despite his combine results.  Despite what many think, I believe him to be a 3 down linebacker, and an anchor to our newly constructed defense for years to come.

    #34 Connor Barwin

    The Pats need a pass rusher, and Barwin is the perfect replacement for Vrabel.  He is versatile, with the ability to play DE, OLB, and TE, and tore it up on his pro day.  Great attitude, hard working, and humble, Barwin seems like a perfect fit for the Patriots, a true Patriots player.

    #47 Patrick Chung

    Hard hitting, some questions about coverage but Rodney wasn't ever a cover specialist either.  Another perfect fit for the Patriots, and could have gone higher without the height questions.  Still, I feel he is the best fit at safety for the Pats, as besides William Moore, the top prospects are the FS type, where we alreay have Sanders and Meriweather.  The Pats need a SS to replace Rodeny, as Meriweather and Sanders are far better suited at FS.

    #89 Lawrence Sidbury

    A DE, possible replacement for Seymour.  I was strongly considering taking Gilbert with #47, and selecting Jennings out of Alabama here, however, I felt safety was a more pressing need.  Sidbury comes from a small school, but he is worth taking here, as he is one of the last 3-4 ends available.  

    #97 Gerald Cadogan 

    Big,6-5, 309, fast (4.99), and smart, this kid has BB written all over him.  At #97, now is the latest we can get a OT, Cadogan may not last but we can all hope.  Better grom Kazcur's replacement so we don't have a rookie starting in '10.

    #104 Rames Barden

    More recieving depth for the Pats.  He is big and fast, and is on the rise.  Will make a good #3 in the Pros.

    #170 Morgan Trent

    Little late for a CB, but we had more pressing needs.

    #199 Andy kemp

    Pats wrap up a top tier draft with a underrated guard.
     
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    Titletown,

    This the best mock draft I have seen on this board so far. I hope you are spot on with the first 4 picks.

    I also think BB will move up - we have the picks to deal. Go get the sure thing in RM.

     
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    Z,

    Yeah, I'm not too keen on the whole idea of the Pat White experiment.

    I do like the idea of moving up since we have xtra picks and we're not going to be able to turn them all into 2010 picks....plus it makes sense to use some to move up and get better talent that we can use sooner since we all know the Brady clock is ticking and time is of the essence.

    Titletown,
    That looks good to me...except for the Sidbury pick, unless you're going to project him at OLB because he's too small to replace Sey...he only weighs 265 and that means he'd have to add at least 25lbs if not more. Jarrod Gilbert is the right size to play on our DLine though, but i'm not sure he's there @ 89.  I like the idea of packaging 58 w/ 23 and moving up the 8 spots, and also getting a 2010 pick out of it too....good thinking.


    If we took Maualuga, Barwin and then Gilbert @ 47 and we're looking to get a safety still...Rashad Johnson from Bama might be there @ 89...though there are questions about his size, but BB said at the combine that Safeties are turning more and more into DB style players and if that's the case then Johnson fits the profile. The kid played for BB's buddy Saban and is supposedly as smart as they come too...I'm guessing they have their eye on him and don't need to have him in for a visit due to the Saban connect.

    This draft is officially on the clock! Only 12 days away!
     
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    Thanks Hub,
    Just picking players I feel are best fits with the Pats.  That actually may be my final mock barring any big news.  
     
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    Ush I was very close to taking Gilbert with the 47th pick, I didn't realize how small Sidbury was, somehow under the impression he was a 3-4 end.  In that case, I think Gilbert is the right choice w/ #47 and Rashad Johnson form Bama would be the pick at #89

    Same trades as last time, just taking Gilbert at #47, and Johnson at #89

    #15 Rey Mauluga
    #34 Connor Barwin
    #47 Jarron Gilbert
    #89 Rashad Johnson
    #97 Gerald Cadogan 
    #104 Rames Barden
    #170 Morgan Trent
    #199 Andy Kemp
     
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    If Andre Smith is there @12, then I say send #23 & #47 to the Broncos.
     
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    Overall, I'm getting confortable with the idea of trading up. These are the players I would trade #23 & #47 for:

    1) Andre Smith,OL
    2) Michael Oher, OL
    3) Maclin, WR I watched Maclin on ESPN tonite. He came across as a very intelligent player. Good hands. He's no Chad Jackson.
     
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    im starting to think that barring a trade up (which is very possible) or an elite player slipping to us the first pick will be either darius butler or brandon pettigrew. not huge needs, but they will be. and both are tremendous players. personally, i would love to see maualuga in a patriots uniform, even if it means packaging the #58 pick. however, i would be happy with any of these 3.
     
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    I like all three of those players as well, but I'd be more hesitant to trade away #47. 23 and 58 is as much as I'd offer, even if it meant 15 or 16 is as high as we could go.

    Maclin could drop to the Jets at 17, but even then they could go with Wells or Moreno. I wouldn't trade up for Maclin though, especially since Harvin could very well be there at 47, and McCoy could be there at 59. McCoy might be almost as good a route runner as Maclin, even though he's a running back. Maclin doesn't seem that polished as a route runner, and isn't the fastest out of his cuts.

    But as far as those two OL, I'd be very happy to end up with one of them in a trade. Brady is a precious asset that must be protected at any expense, even if the defense suffers a bit as a result. Interesting that the Pats brought Andre Smith in this week.

    Do you know of any second round left tackle prospects that have elite long term potential? Beatty seems like he'll go in the first somewhere.

    It would be very interesting if the Patriots neglected OLB and even ILB in the first couple rounds of this draft. It would certainly open up a range of other opportunities, especially if Jason Taylor is waiting in the wings.

    Two of our biggest immediate needs, linebacker and safety, are at positions cheaply filled in free agency, compared to OL and CB. There are also four rounds of depth at safety this year.

    So many teams go into drafts with multiple huge glaring needs, and we could have several next year. I would hate to go into that draft without stocking up on extra picks or addressing some of those needs in this draft.

     
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