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Draft 5

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    I don't like Oher....everytime i've seen him play (which is only twice) he's been called for multiple penalties. He false started at least twice in the bowl game vs. TTech and I know he had a holding penalty in the Senior Bowl. I'm also not too keen on Beatty who looked overwhelmed by Ayers @ the Senior Bowl. I will openly admit these opinions are not based on in depth research and are more snap judgments than anything. Also, I'd rather take an OL down the board a little...mostly cause it's just not that sexy of a pick...LOL...unless Andre Smith is there, he's a lot sexier than most OL...hahha...but only because he was a top 5 pick before he started sabotaging his draft status.

    I doubt Denver will want to trade out of 18 because I think they feel they need to make a splash PR wise with this draft after the PR debacle of trading the best young arm in the game. In my opinion McDaniels bungled that situation badly and may regret it on a short-term basis...not that Jay 'I'm a bigger baby than you think' Cutler doesn't deserve some blame. It's just that as an unproven 32 yr. old head coach you should probably want to prove yourself at least a little before you start messing with the 25 yr old Pro-Bowl franchise qb. If Denver had built their D into some semblance of an existence then with that O they would have been dangerous. But who knows, Orton may do surprisingly well there and Cutler may go Bledsoe and get happy feet and start throwing picks all over the place. Should be interesting to say the least.


    Also, I predict it will have to be 58 we throw in to move up (unless it's 89 and another later pick) because if you're asking to move up the other team knows there's a damn good reason and will most likely leverage a little more than what the point value is on the draft board.
     
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    I think a trade up to the top 15 will happen but I think it will with the Redskins at 13 and not for RM.  RM is an awesome player but is not a 3 down LB, he will struggle in coverage.  So if he's not the target (IMO) who would be, I got two names here Andre Smith LT Alabama or Everette Brown DE.  The Skins would get the 23rd and 34th, Pats along with the 13th would also get the Skins third round pick # 80.

    So here's my mock:

    #13 (from Washington) Everette Brown-DE (can play OLB, amazing pass rushing abilities)
    #47 Jamon Meredith OT-Would eventually anchor the left side
    #58 Clint Sintim DE/OLB
    #80 (from Washington) Darry Beckwith ILB
    #89 Chris Baker DT (insurance, in case Vince is not here next year)
    #97 Ramses Barden WR
     
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    There may be some moving around in the draft but I don't feel it will be in the 1st round.  Talentwise things look better in the 2nd round for moving around.

    Try as the first six to seven picks may they will be stuck with those picks.  As you more than likely know it's about the bucks and I don't see a prospect there that is worth moving up for.  So Detroit, St. Louis and Cincinnati will have to make their selections. 

    Denver I see as letting the draft come to them.  They have a lot of needs.  I don't know if they would want to trade up and lose picks.

    I would think that the 2nd round is where the action would be.  There's about a round and a half worth of those second tier players.  My thinking is that you would see some wanting to move out from the end of the 1st round and some wanting to get into the 2nd round or become more active in the 2nd round.  As much as I would like to see the Pats use #34 and #47 they may get some crazy offers. 
     
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    Little upset we let this post slip to Pg 2.  Now to kick it off.  The more I think about it, the more I am starting to like Rashad Johnson, FS out of Alabama. He has good speed, and is a ball hawk, picking off 11 passes over the past two years.He is a hard worker, who isn't afraid to fight for the ball.  This is a guy who walked on to one of the greatest football programs in America, and went from a walk on RB, to one of the greatest Safeties in Alabama school history.  He was also one of the only junior captains in recent school history.  BB's good buddy Nick Saban dubbed him the smartest player he has ever coached.  With Saban his coach, his transition into BB's defense should be seamless.  Johnson seems like a perfect fit for the Pats.  The Pats should go get him should he slip into the 3rd round, even if it means trading up, they have the chips to do so.  
     
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    Exactly Z,

    I was really only looking at Johnson as a alternative plan should we not get Chung, my top target, or William Moore.  I was simply stating that Johnson would make a great fit for the Pats, though our need is at SS.
     
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    I keep thinking that whoever we draft in Rounds 1,2....they need to be impact players.

    We need new players that will step up and make a play late in a game.

    I don't like the idea of drafting for depth....that's what got Bobby Grieir fired.

    TE Ingram in the 2nd or 3rd??

    Does Beattie project as a dominating LT? Great athelete, but lacks power. Can he bulk up and get stronger?

    Does Clay Mathews continue to improve and become dominating?
     
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    #23 (traded, for 2009 2nd, 2009 6th, 2010 1st from Cowboys for #23 2009 and 3rd 2010)
    #34 Michael Johnson DE/OLB 
    #47 William Beatty OT 
    #51 (from Dallas) Jarron Gilbert DE
    #58 Patrick Chung S
    #89 Cody Brown DE/OLB
    #97c Jasper Brinkley ILB
    Was going to stop at 3 rounds, what the hell
    #124 Bruce Johnson CB
    #170c Johnny Knox WR
    #197 (from Dallas) Marlon Lucky RB
    #199 Patrick Turner WR
    #207c Alex Boone OT
    #234 John Phillips TE
    I don't think we bring all these guys in, if they pick at that spot is the player who I think they'll pick at that spot
     
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    It's too bad Meriweather doesn't have great hands like Johnson does, and Johnson's hands make him quite appealing.

    But earlier today I was thinking about the 2001 Super Bowl, when Milloy and Law set an early tone by laying down brutal hit after brutal hit on the receivers of "the greatest show on turf."

    William Moore has his flaws, but his big hitting ability could really pay dividends in the 4th quarters of games, when receivers become more fatigued and hit averse. Once bitten, twice shy, as they say.

    Nic Harris would be another lower round option to come in situationally and soften up the receivers.

     
  9. You have chosen to ignore posts from Pats7393. Show Pats7393's posts

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    It's too bad Meriweather doesn't have great hands like Johnson does, and Johnson's hands make him quite appealing. But earlier today I was thinking about the 2001 Super Bowl, when Milloy and Law set an early tone by laying down brutal hit after brutal hit on the receivers of "the greatest show on turf." William Moore has his flaws, but his big hitting ability could really pay dividends in the 4th quarters of games, when receivers become more fatigued and hit averse. Once bitten, twice shy, as they say. Nic Harris would be another lower round option to come in situationally and soften up the receivers.
    Posted by arodrambone

    I had a tough time at 58, probably took me longer than any other pick.  I love Macho Harris but I think Moore will help more than Harris.  Johnson is slightly less experienced than Macho but can develop into a good corner.  He's a good cover corner.  You are correct we need to bring that hitting back into our secondary, I think these two guys will help.  I wouldn't be upset if they pick up Harris at 58 and S Michael Hamlin at 89 if he's still there. Hamlin is another hard hitter.
     
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    Man it seems like nobody has any idea what the Pats are thinking in this draft. I just read Peter King's latest article where he predicted that the fact that anybody knows that the Pats love Darius Butler means they're smokescreening...makes sense to me.

     Personally I think if there's a player they're hoping will slip it's REY MAUALUGA. This is a guy who was a top 5 pick if he came out last year and is slipping because he pulled his hammy at the combine, didn't have a great senior bowl, didn't score well on the wonderlic and 'might' not be a 3 down guy. But if you watched college football the past 3 years you know the guy can flat out play. We don't need him to be a rocket scientist because Mayo will be making the calls...we just need him to be the beast that he is. I don't know if we'd move up for him, but I think if he slips to 23 we'll take him...and then hope that either Barwin, English or Sintim is there @ 34....or if we're going to sign Jason Taylor, use this pick to take Max Unger or Alex Mack.

    After that I'm hoping we can get Jarron Gilbert, Patrick Chung and some O-Line help in the third round. I'd use our late picks to gamble on TE, RB and WR. I'd be fine with flipping a pick or two to next year, but I'd rather see them use xtra picks to move up and get players that they want.

    My wild card pick is still Percy Harvin if he's there @ 34.


     
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    seems like a very hard draft to predict, I say barring any unforseen falls the Pats trade out of #23, up or down remains to be seen.  
     
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    http://www.nfl.com/draft/story?id=09000d5d80fe27bf&template=without-video-with-comments&confirm=true

    Vonte Davis among those that are falling because of off field issues.  When will these guys learn, he's also no seen as a consistant player also contributing to his stock falling.  Another name is Michael Johnson who is the report says could now fall to mid 2nd round.  This would be a good pickup at 58, the guy is gifted.  If he is coachable he could be a nice player in this system. 
     
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    The 2 guys with the best hands in this draft Harvin and Tate,I know this because someone handed them some POT and neither one of them dropped the joint/pipe they used to smoke it.....Both were last seen singing bye bye early rounds!!Harvin cost himself millions!! Tate probably won't be picked until late 4th round to the end of the 5th round geniuses the pair of them....I wonder who else got caught with their hands on the Sticky Icky!!!!
     
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    When they talk about Davis falling, they are talking about him entering the 20's, not the 2nd round. I'd think that if Butler and Jenkins are gone, several teams in the 20's, including the Pats, would find it difficult to pass on him.
     
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    [QUOTE]What is up Ush. right now I don't see Harvin or Maualuga as Patriots. Both of them did terrible in the wonderlic, which unless you play D-line, is something the Patriots actually consider valuable. And what is worse for Harvin was the failed drug test at the combine. On top of that was my initla gut feeling, that neither player really seems like the kind of guys NE tends to go for. Just my two cents.
    Posted by zbellino[/QUOTE

    What is up my main man Zbellino!  Yeah at this point I have no idea what the Pats are going to do...not that I ever did, but I've just thought too much for too long about what we should or shouldn't or will or won't do...so I'm not surprised I'm saying things contrary to popular opinion at this point.

    However, I think if you step back from all of the draft stats/opinions and look at who the best players in college football were last year...Maualuga and Harvin are both right there. It's true that the Pats value intelligence in players, but the wonderlic isn't the end all be all of intelligence tests. There are plenty of cases where guys scored low on the Wonderlic but were still NFL stars. Dan Marino scored a 16 I'm pretty sure. Believe me I see what you're saying, but all I'm saying is that it's possible that the debate doesn't stop at the wonderlic as to who we're going to draft.

    Further, Harvin's drug test came back positive for marijuana....big deal. Kevin Faulk got popped for a blunt last year...not a big deal. I will concede that it shows poor decision making (smoking weed anywhere near the combine date is idiotic). Beyond that, the only possible downside is that he could be suspended the next time he gets caught...so maybe you're right, but if he's there at 34 I would consider taking him...he's insurance in the slot for Welker and for Faulk...two guys without who we are screwed. This is all especially possible since we may not even end up drafting an OLB at all...we may just sign Jason Taylor and see what happens with Crable/Redd/Woods for another year.

    A few days away!!! Can't wait!!



     
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    And z, if the Pats were using Butler as a smokescreen, it would probably to help make Davis fall to 23 if he was the Pats true target or not.
     
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    I guess I should make my own biased draft since I became a Penn State Nittany Lion 3 weeks ago.
     
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    LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!!  Yeah and for some reason I heard Belichick's gonna be wearing a purple and gold hoodie this year...coincidence? i think not!

    And I agree with Kyle....we're trading up for Maybin and the taking Derrick Williams, Cadogan and Paterno with our next 3 picks. New England St. Nittany Patriots is the new name.

    Congrats to you both!
     
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    Oh yeah, and for all my friends here that are old hands, Kye, Faucet, Ush, Arod and the rest of the crew. In full disclosure, I became an LSU Tiger one week ago, as I am teaching literature and finishing my PhD down there for the next four years. Hence, I am now duty bound to bag on all Volunteers, Gators, Razorbacks, Commodores, Tigers from any state other than LA, Crimson Tide guys, Rebels, Gamecocks, Wildcats, and Bulldogs from Georgia or Miss State. I no longer feel I can be objective. LOL. Oh, BTW, here is my new Mock. #11 Tyson Jackson for #23 and #34. #47 Traded out for future picks #58 Darry Beckwidth #89 Demetrius Byrd #97 Herman Johnson #124 Rick Jean-Francois #170 Quinn Johnson #199 Traded #207 Curtis Taylor #234 Traded for the future                                                                                                
    Posted by zbellino
    Hilarious ZB. More unbiased commentary. Through SC's Brinkley (all thumper less the price) Cal Poly's Barden. I like Rick Jean Francois' passion; didn't he say he'd take out Tebow 's knees for nothing. (Rent money).

    One element that I found annoying about the 08 09 season was too many players were injure. While I agree that the Pats could add depth to the roster by drafting only LSU players, it's unlikely. We still the many coaching connection that could lead us to other players.

    One question do you start Beckwith at SS ? I can't see him inside or outside against the bigger guards or tackles. However, out laying RBs, WRs, and TEs is another matter. Not exactly a pass rush specialist, but then with Jackson and Francois, he won't have to register the sacks.

    Mike In Canada (not a Bills fan !)


     
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    I've seen a few of West Virginia's games and Pat White's an amazing player. To some degree the NFL is a copycat league and with the success of Miami's wildcat - especially in their first game against the Patriots in the of '08 season, Bill will most likely be looking to fill the QB position with a player of White's caliber, intellect and versatility.
    It's highly unlikely NE uses their eleven picks. I see trades and stockpiling for future draft picks. Having said that if NE doesn't pick him up, someone else will and he's going to be successful in this league.








    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X0YPDFmcp5Y im not sure were gna get him but just watchin Pat White's highlights make me shiver. Just think of all the things we could do with him. i would be so happy if we got him! DJ Moore looks like he might be high on the pats board if BB went to visit him at UConn.
    Posted by mattadlard

     
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    Yo Z,

    What, besides the NFL draft, are you doctoring in at LSU?

    Obviously we'll expect full reports on all Tiger prospects.
     
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    Good for you...enjoy the bayou! Did you just finish your Masters somewhere? If so, where?

    Here's a question for you....do you think there's any chance Barwin (if drafted by the Pats obviously) could see any time at ILB?  It seems like his athleticism and penchant for learning new positions quickly could provide some versatililty that we wouldn't expect out of most prospects.

    Draft countdown @ 31 hrs 18 mins and counting...tick, tick, tick.

    In other news...nice to see the C's drop a beatdown on Chicago own their own court.
     
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    Hey Zeb, Faucet, Kyle, et al:  Thanks so much for your discussion over the last weeks.  After listening to you guys, I feel really ready for tomorrow-- what do they need, who might fill those needs, which players would fit the Patriots' mold, etc.  For the 2nd year in a row, I'M READY!  Zeb, good luck in your new venture.  As a high school English teacher I might offer this from Keats IF we draft a bruiser for an OL..."Oft of one wide expanse had I been told..."  ("On First Looking into Chapman's Homer")  Hey, if BB is looking to move up to #9 or so--who is he targeting???  Have a great day tomorrow!
     
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    Clark U! I used to play in the HS B-ball tourney there....put up my career high (30) in that gym! Love that tournament...on that weird rubber floor.

    Yeah, I'm not counting out the C's just yet...especially after last night's performance. It would be great if KG somehow came back and gutted it out for us in the EC Finals....he could just play the 4th quarters even! Who knows....as far as I'm concerned we're playing with house money this year. I truly think we could give Cleveland a series and even beat them...LA I'm not so sure...they're too big I think, but who knows what happens between now and then injury-wise...that's why they play the games.

    Been hearing all the noise about the Pats wanting to move up into the 8 or 9 range...Peter King surmises that it's not for Tyson Jackson, but that it's for an offensive player...that would seem to make no sense to me. What am i missing? Anybody got a clue or some interesting theories?

    24 Hrs and 40 mins till Matt Stafford is a Detroit Lion...poor soul.


     
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    Hows it going guys and how does everyone like the new forum? This is my first post in at least a month(F'D up my lower back)and just trying to keep up with this thread.
    Congrats ZB and hope you keep the board up to date with the football program!

    So who do you guys like at 23 or do you see them moving up in the top 10 in todays newest rumor?

    A Not So Flashy Mock Draft

    Last year I was hoping NE drafted some of the bigger names and that hope was quickly deflated when they took Terrance Wheatley over the FS from Iowa can't think of his name Goodfrey(?). Anyway I hope this mock looks nothing like what will take place this weekend, but I also know now not to get my hopes up. Here's to a great weekend with the Pats, Sox and Celtics kicking @ss and taking names later.   

    #23- Larry English- I've liked him all the way through and I think he'd be a nice addition to the NE Defense.

    #34- Jamon Meredith- Rumor has it he's moving up alot of teams boards and if the this years draft follows the same path as last years then I think NE may grab him at #34.

    #47- Patrick Chung- The Pats need a safety and this kid looks like the real deal. Hopefully he'll still be on the board!

    #58- Rashad Jennings- This may be a little early for him, but he could a big steal for NE.

    #89(A)- Asher Allen- Not sure what NE will do but this kid would be nice addition to the DBs and add some solid depth as well.

    #97- Everette Pedescleaux- Ever since I read an article on him I've like the potential of this kid. Small school player that will need some time adjusting to the NFL game and he could learn alot from guys like Seymour, Warren and Wilfork.

    #124- Graham Gano- Listed as a kicker, but NE will use him as a punter and maybe they can strike gold with their 4th specail teams player?

    #170- Antonio Appleby- Good size for a ILB in NE's D, just not sure he'll come off the board sooner.

    #199- Lee Robinson OLB

    #207- Rulon Davis DE

    #234- Rob Bruggeman C
     
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