Draft 5

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    #23 (traded, for 2009 2nd, 2009 6th, 2010 1st from Cowboys for #23 2009 and 3rd 2010)
    #34 Michael Johnson DE/OLB 
    #47 William Beatty OT 
    #51 (from Dallas) Jarron Gilbert DE
    #58 Patrick Chung S
    #89 Cody Brown DE/OLB
    #97c Jasper Brinkley ILB
    Was going to stop at 3 rounds, what the hell
    #124 Bruce Johnson CB
    #170c Johnny Knox WR
    #197 (from Dallas) Marlon Lucky RB
    #199 Patrick Turner WR
    #207c Alex Boone OT
    #234 John Phillips TE
    I don't think we bring all these guys in, if they pick at that spot is the player who I think they'll pick at that spot
     
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    It's too bad Meriweather doesn't have great hands like Johnson does, and Johnson's hands make him quite appealing.

    But earlier today I was thinking about the 2001 Super Bowl, when Milloy and Law set an early tone by laying down brutal hit after brutal hit on the receivers of "the greatest show on turf."

    William Moore has his flaws, but his big hitting ability could really pay dividends in the 4th quarters of games, when receivers become more fatigued and hit averse. Once bitten, twice shy, as they say.

    Nic Harris would be another lower round option to come in situationally and soften up the receivers.

     
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    [QUOTE]It's too bad Meriweather doesn't have great hands like Johnson does, and Johnson's hands make him quite appealing. But earlier today I was thinking about the 2001 Super Bowl, when Milloy and Law set an early tone by laying down brutal hit after brutal hit on the receivers of "the greatest show on turf." William Moore has his flaws, but his big hitting ability could really pay dividends in the 4th quarters of games, when receivers become more fatigued and hit averse. Once bitten, twice shy, as they say. Nic Harris would be another lower round option to come in situationally and soften up the receivers.
    Posted by arodrambone[/QUOTE]
    I had a tough time at 58, probably took me longer than any other pick.  I love Macho Harris but I think Moore will help more than Harris.  Johnson is slightly less experienced than Macho but can develop into a good corner.  He's a good cover corner.  You are correct we need to bring that hitting back into our secondary, I think these two guys will help.  I wouldn't be upset if they pick up Harris at 58 and S Michael Hamlin at 89 if he's still there. Hamlin is another hard hitter.
     
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    Man it seems like nobody has any idea what the Pats are thinking in this draft. I just read Peter King's latest article where he predicted that the fact that anybody knows that the Pats love Darius Butler means they're smokescreening...makes sense to me.

     Personally I think if there's a player they're hoping will slip it's REY MAUALUGA. This is a guy who was a top 5 pick if he came out last year and is slipping because he pulled his hammy at the combine, didn't have a great senior bowl, didn't score well on the wonderlic and 'might' not be a 3 down guy. But if you watched college football the past 3 years you know the guy can flat out play. We don't need him to be a rocket scientist because Mayo will be making the calls...we just need him to be the beast that he is. I don't know if we'd move up for him, but I think if he slips to 23 we'll take him...and then hope that either Barwin, English or Sintim is there @ 34....or if we're going to sign Jason Taylor, use this pick to take Max Unger or Alex Mack.

    After that I'm hoping we can get Jarron Gilbert, Patrick Chung and some O-Line help in the third round. I'd use our late picks to gamble on TE, RB and WR. I'd be fine with flipping a pick or two to next year, but I'd rather see them use xtra picks to move up and get players that they want.

    My wild card pick is still Percy Harvin if he's there @ 34.


     
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    What is up Ush. right now I don't see Harvin or Maualuga as Patriots.

    Both of them did terrible in the wonderlic, which unless you play D-line, is something the Patriots actually consider valuable.

    And what is worse for Harvin was the failed drug test at the combine.

    On top of that was my initla gut feeling, that neither player really seems like the kind of guys NE tends to go for.

    Just my two cents.
     
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    seems like a very hard draft to predict, I say barring any unforseen falls the Pats trade out of #23, up or down remains to be seen.  
     
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    I don't know. I could see a few players NE might grab at #23 if they are so inclined.

    In no particular order:

    Vernon Davis
    Darius Butler
    Eben Britton
    Larry English
    And possibly a few others too.
     
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    http://www.nfl.com/draft/story?id=09000d5d80fe27bf&template=without-video-with-comments&confirm=true

    Vonte Davis among those that are falling because of off field issues.  When will these guys learn, he's also no seen as a consistant player also contributing to his stock falling.  Another name is Michael Johnson who is the report says could now fall to mid 2nd round.  This would be a good pickup at 58, the guy is gifted.  If he is coachable he could be a nice player in this system. 
     
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    The 2 guys with the best hands in this draft Harvin and Tate,I know this because someone handed them some POT and neither one of them dropped the joint/pipe they used to smoke it.....Both were last seen singing bye bye early rounds!!Harvin cost himself millions!! Tate probably won't be picked until late 4th round to the end of the 5th round geniuses the pair of them....I wonder who else got caught with their hands on the Sticky Icky!!!!
     
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    I know allabout Davis. I just think he is is in the mix. He never really performed to his potential, but that is saying a lot because he has max upside as a safety/corner tweener.

    Part of his "stigma" is based on his brother, which is completely unfair IMO.

    But he is really agressive, and hyper athletic.

    Johnson is another story. The guy motors it down, and seems incredibly apathetic in interviews I have seen. Ifthis were last season he would be in the top five and his name would be Vernon Gholston . . .same player. DE/OLB with eye-popping triangle numbers and a rep for being a slow learner and taking plays off.

    I want players that play full time, even if they have trouble meeting that potential.

    But as a physical specimen Johnson is a phenom.
     
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    When they talk about Davis falling, they are talking about him entering the 20's, not the 2nd round. I'd think that if Butler and Jenkins are gone, several teams in the 20's, including the Pats, would find it difficult to pass on him.
     
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    [QUOTE]What is up Ush. right now I don't see Harvin or Maualuga as Patriots. Both of them did terrible in the wonderlic, which unless you play D-line, is something the Patriots actually consider valuable. And what is worse for Harvin was the failed drug test at the combine. On top of that was my initla gut feeling, that neither player really seems like the kind of guys NE tends to go for. Just my two cents.
    Posted by zbellino[/QUOTE

    What is up my main man Zbellino!  Yeah at this point I have no idea what the Pats are going to do...not that I ever did, but I've just thought too much for too long about what we should or shouldn't or will or won't do...so I'm not surprised I'm saying things contrary to popular opinion at this point.

    However, I think if you step back from all of the draft stats/opinions and look at who the best players in college football were last year...Maualuga and Harvin are both right there. It's true that the Pats value intelligence in players, but the wonderlic isn't the end all be all of intelligence tests. There are plenty of cases where guys scored low on the Wonderlic but were still NFL stars. Dan Marino scored a 16 I'm pretty sure. Believe me I see what you're saying, but all I'm saying is that it's possible that the debate doesn't stop at the wonderlic as to who we're going to draft.

    Further, Harvin's drug test came back positive for marijuana....big deal. Kevin Faulk got popped for a blunt last year...not a big deal. I will concede that it shows poor decision making (smoking weed anywhere near the combine date is idiotic). Beyond that, the only possible downside is that he could be suspended the next time he gets caught...so maybe you're right, but if he's there at 34 I would consider taking him...he's insurance in the slot for Welker and for Faulk...two guys without who we are screwed. This is all especially possible since we may not even end up drafting an OLB at all...we may just sign Jason Taylor and see what happens with Crable/Redd/Woods for another year.

    A few days away!!! Can't wait!!



     
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    [QUOTE]When they talk about Davis falling, they are talking about him entering the 20's, not the 2nd round. I'd think that if Butler and Jenkins are gone, several teams in the 20's, including the Pats, would find it difficult to pass on him.
    Posted by KyleCleric2[/QUOTE]

    Exactly Kyle. Few people have watched the Illini, and why would they, LOL.

    But Davis is likea young Ty Law. Big-10 CB, big bodied, but tremendously athletic.Ty had 8 career INTs, he has 7, but he also has 3 FF. And their tackling stats don't even compare, with Davis being a mauler for a CB.

    People don't appreciate the tremendous upside this kid offers, and how really minimal the questions (that do exist though) about his ethic are.

    With the right coaching, this kid could be the best player coming out of the 2009 draft a few years from. His upside at safety and corner are that crazy high.

    I won't pretend to know what their board looks like at #23, and what it looks like for corners, but he is in the mix I am sure. It would be negligent to remove him.
     
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    What up Ush,

    Yeah. I am a big SEC fan, and I like the athleticism of Harvin. I would still be mildly surprised to see him there at #34.

    Let's pretend I am Robert Kraft (dons blue shirt with white starched collar, LOL).

    For my money he has too many red flags to be part of the equation at #23. Let's go through em'. He never really played WR or RB, and has little formal (NFL style experience) at either spot. He has an injury history on functional spots. He came to the combine with a posse of his friends (reportedly) and was "disrespectful" to the coaches. He was among the worst wonderlic scorers. And tested positive for the chiba at an even he knew about four years in advance.

    And believe me, I am the last person to question a little of green alien. But it raises major, major questions about his mind. Even when I was a teenager and flirted with Mary I knew to avoid her before a job interview.

    He is one of those prospects that I wish the best for, but is kind of off my radar now.
     
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    And z, if the Pats were using Butler as a smokescreen, it would probably to help make Davis fall to 23 if he was the Pats true target or not.
     
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    Oh yeah, and for all my friends here that are old hands, Kye, Faucet, Ush, Arod and the rest of the crew.

    In full disclosure, I became an LSU Tiger one week ago, as I am teaching literature and finishing my PhD down there for the next four years.

    Hence, I am now duty bound to bag on all Volunteers, Gators, Razorbacks, Commodores, Tigers from any state other than LA, Crimson Tide guys, Rebels, Gamecocks, Wildcats, and Bulldogs from Georgia or Miss State.

    I no longer feel I can be objective. LOL.

    Oh, BTW, here is my new Mock.

    #11 Tyson Jackson for #23 and #34.
    #47 Traded out for future picks
    #58 Darry Beckwidth
    #89 Demetrius Byrd
    #97 Herman Johnson
    #124 Rick Jean-Francois
    #170 Quinn Johnson
    #199 Traded
    #207 Curtis Taylor
    #234 Traded for the future

            
            
            
            
            
            


     
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    I guess I should make my own biased draft since I became a Penn State Nittany Lion 3 weeks ago.
     
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    LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!!  Yeah and for some reason I heard Belichick's gonna be wearing a purple and gold hoodie this year...coincidence? i think not!

    And I agree with Kyle....we're trading up for Maybin and the taking Derrick Williams, Cadogan and Paterno with our next 3 picks. New England St. Nittany Patriots is the new name.

    Congrats to you both!
     
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    #11 Aaron Maybin    OLB
    #58 Derrick Williams  WR
    #89 traded
    #97 Gerold Cadogan LT
    #124 Maurice Evans DE
    #170 Deon Bulter WR/KR
    #199 traded
    #207 A.Q. Shipley OC
    #234 traded

    Haha, neither are a bad draft all said and done. LOL.

    Good for you man. Great school.

    My cousin was a Lion. What are you doing at Penn State?
     
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    [QUOTE]Oh yeah, and for all my friends here that are old hands, Kye, Faucet, Ush, Arod and the rest of the crew. In full disclosure, I became an LSU Tiger one week ago, as I am teaching literature and finishing my PhD down there for the next four years. Hence, I am now duty bound to bag on all Volunteers, Gators, Razorbacks, Commodores, Tigers from any state other than LA, Crimson Tide guys, Rebels, Gamecocks, Wildcats, and Bulldogs from Georgia or Miss State. I no longer feel I can be objective. LOL. Oh, BTW, here is my new Mock. #11 Tyson Jackson for #23 and #34. #47 Traded out for future picks #58 Darry Beckwidth #89 Demetrius Byrd #97 Herman Johnson #124 Rick Jean-Francois #170 Quinn Johnson #199 Traded #207 Curtis Taylor #234 Traded for the future                                                                                                
    Posted by zbellino[/QUOTE] Hilarious ZB. More unbiased commentary. Through SC's Brinkley (all thumper less the price) Cal Poly's Barden. I like Rick Jean Francois' passion; didn't he say he'd take out Tebow 's knees for nothing. (Rent money).

    One element that I found annoying about the 08 09 season was too many players were injure. While I agree that the Pats could add depth to the roster by drafting only LSU players, it's unlikely. We still the many coaching connection that could lead us to other players.

    One question do you start Beckwith at SS ? I can't see him inside or outside against the bigger guards or tackles. However, out laying RBs, WRs, and TEs is another matter. Not exactly a pass rush specialist, but then with Jackson and Francois, he won't have to register the sacks.

    Mike In Canada (not a Bills fan !)


     
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    Haha, yeah. He actualy said this:
    “If we get a good shot on (Tebow), we’re going to try our best to take him out of the game,” Jean-Francois told the Orlando Sentinel. If LSU can get in such a hit, Jean-Francois added, the effect will be like “a car wreck without a seat belt.”

    My take? Welcome to SEC baby boy.

    I would slot Ricky Jean as one of those mid round prospects who might look good as a backup or as a starter on a 4-3 team. I wouldn't mind having a few more guys like Wilfork and Harrison on this squad, with that edge, but I don't think he fits as a real depth option here, or as a player who can step in and replace fellow Tiger Jarvis Green.

    Jackson is a flat ouy stud, enough said. But I won't hold my breath that NE can come away with him. Coming in I was worried that there were other needs they would be attendant to at #23, but the addition of Springs and Bodden, lightens that load a touch, meaning the only positionI think NE must add this offseason is OLB. That leaves options open where getting a DE could make sense.And passing Jackson when you are in striking distance and have two DL players finishing their contracts would be insane. That said, the seemingly insurmountable odds favor Jackson passing NE as he gets picked well in advance of where it makes sense to take him.

    I think Beckwith would play ILB here. He weighed in at 242 at the combine and pro-day, and at just 6'1" he is just dense enough to get here done in there.

    But most of it is about technique.

    At first I thought he was too small, but then I thoguht again.

    I would hesitate to add 230 lb linebackers, but Beckwith comes just up to the numbers. He is roughly the same size as Farrior 6'1-1/2" 243 vs Darry 6'9/10" and 242. And he is not afraid to mix it up. And we all know that Farrior has had a long and illustrious career stacking and shedding.

    So he could be an option later on down the line.

    In honesty, the ILB I think NE would target this draft is Tyrone McKenzie. He is slotted almost a round later but IMHO, would accomplish the same type of objective, which is too bring in a football player type ILB to supplement the growing combo of Mayo and Guyton.

    Both he and Beckwith would need some work to get up to snuff here, but the difference is that you pay a "big program" tax to get Beckwith.

    I know NE brought in McKenzie, I think they brought in Brinkley, but I am unsure if they brought Beckwith in? Does anyone know if they did?
     
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    I've seen a few of West Virginia's games and Pat White's an amazing player. To some degree the NFL is a copycat league and with the success of Miami's wildcat - especially in their first game against the Patriots in the of '08 season, Bill will most likely be looking to fill the QB position with a player of White's caliber, intellect and versatility.
    It's highly unlikely NE uses their eleven picks. I see trades and stockpiling for future draft picks. Having said that if NE doesn't pick him up, someone else will and he's going to be successful in this league.








    [QUOTE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X0YPDFmcp5Y im not sure were gna get him but just watchin Pat White's highlights make me shiver. Just think of all the things we could do with him. i would be so happy if we got him! DJ Moore looks like he might be high on the pats board if BB went to visit him at UConn.
    Posted by mattadlard[/QUOTE]
     
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    Yo Z,

    What, besides the NFL draft, are you doctoring in at LSU?

    Obviously we'll expect full reports on all Tiger prospects.
     
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    Literature. Most specifically late marxist/postmodernist theory and the modern global novel in English.

    That and finally rooting for a fashionable SEC football team without seeming like a frontrunner. LOL.

    Yeah, I can't wait to dig in. I am already researching the recruiting class from highschool and player options.

    Given that even in off-years LSU puts 6-7 prospects through the draft/undrafted FA process, I should have my hands full. But you know I will try to stay on top of it.

    Which should include many a saturday drinking brews and watching the Tigers. I can't wait to have a stake in all these college games I have been watching.
     
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    Good for you...enjoy the bayou! Did you just finish your Masters somewhere? If so, where?

    Here's a question for you....do you think there's any chance Barwin (if drafted by the Pats obviously) could see any time at ILB?  It seems like his athleticism and penchant for learning new positions quickly could provide some versatililty that we wouldn't expect out of most prospects.

    Draft countdown @ 31 hrs 18 mins and counting...tick, tick, tick.

    In other news...nice to see the C's drop a beatdown on Chicago own their own court.
     

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