Draft 5

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    Yeah, I am finishing my thesis at Clark University and TA-ing English Lit there.

    Heck yeah I think Barwin can do many , many things. That is one of the reasons he is such a great prospect. I honestly think he has only scratched the surface of his potential.

    But I wouldn't draft him for his versatility. It is just a plus, and takes too much attention from the full story, which is that he was the best ACC OLB/DE in his first season. He gets drafted because he can get after the QB like no one's business -- and has tremendous upside as a "multi-tool" OLB.

    31 hours. Ticking? I am just ticked that it starts at 4:00 this season. WTH is that?!?!?! LOL.

    I know they are trying to maximize their profit by pushing it to a more valuable time slot, but it is really inconvenient to me.

    I am hoping the C's can just get deep in the playoffs. The Big Ticket hasn't had surgery yet, and the whispers are that if they can hold out, he could be available for the Eastern Conference Finals.

    If he doesn't come back I at least want to see the Celts take Cleveland deep in that series.
     
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    Hey Zeb, Faucet, Kyle, et al:  Thanks so much for your discussion over the last weeks.  After listening to you guys, I feel really ready for tomorrow-- what do they need, who might fill those needs, which players would fit the Patriots' mold, etc.  For the 2nd year in a row, I'M READY!  Zeb, good luck in your new venture.  As a high school English teacher I might offer this from Keats IF we draft a bruiser for an OL..."Oft of one wide expanse had I been told..."  ("On First Looking into Chapman's Homer")  Hey, if BB is looking to move up to #9 or so--who is he targeting???  Have a great day tomorrow!
     
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    Clark U! I used to play in the HS B-ball tourney there....put up my career high (30) in that gym! Love that tournament...on that weird rubber floor.

    Yeah, I'm not counting out the C's just yet...especially after last night's performance. It would be great if KG somehow came back and gutted it out for us in the EC Finals....he could just play the 4th quarters even! Who knows....as far as I'm concerned we're playing with house money this year. I truly think we could give Cleveland a series and even beat them...LA I'm not so sure...they're too big I think, but who knows what happens between now and then injury-wise...that's why they play the games.

    Been hearing all the noise about the Pats wanting to move up into the 8 or 9 range...Peter King surmises that it's not for Tyson Jackson, but that it's for an offensive player...that would seem to make no sense to me. What am i missing? Anybody got a clue or some interesting theories?

    24 Hrs and 40 mins till Matt Stafford is a Detroit Lion...poor soul.


     
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    Hows it going guys and how does everyone like the new forum? This is my first post in at least a month(F'D up my lower back)and just trying to keep up with this thread.
    Congrats ZB and hope you keep the board up to date with the football program!

    So who do you guys like at 23 or do you see them moving up in the top 10 in todays newest rumor?

    A Not So Flashy Mock Draft

    Last year I was hoping NE drafted some of the bigger names and that hope was quickly deflated when they took Terrance Wheatley over the FS from Iowa can't think of his name Goodfrey(?). Anyway I hope this mock looks nothing like what will take place this weekend, but I also know now not to get my hopes up. Here's to a great weekend with the Pats, Sox and Celtics kicking @ss and taking names later.   

    #23- Larry English- I've liked him all the way through and I think he'd be a nice addition to the NE Defense.

    #34- Jamon Meredith- Rumor has it he's moving up alot of teams boards and if the this years draft follows the same path as last years then I think NE may grab him at #34.

    #47- Patrick Chung- The Pats need a safety and this kid looks like the real deal. Hopefully he'll still be on the board!

    #58- Rashad Jennings- This may be a little early for him, but he could a big steal for NE.

    #89(A)- Asher Allen- Not sure what NE will do but this kid would be nice addition to the DBs and add some solid depth as well.

    #97- Everette Pedescleaux- Ever since I read an article on him I've like the potential of this kid. Small school player that will need some time adjusting to the NFL game and he could learn alot from guys like Seymour, Warren and Wilfork.

    #124- Graham Gano- Listed as a kicker, but NE will use him as a punter and maybe they can strike gold with their 4th specail teams player?

    #170- Antonio Appleby- Good size for a ILB in NE's D, just not sure he'll come off the board sooner.

    #199- Lee Robinson OLB

    #207- Rulon Davis DE

    #234- Rob Bruggeman C
     
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    Ush and JDC,

    It makes so much sense. I have been saying it for a few weeks. I am positively non-plussed with #23 in this year's draft. There is no player that stands out there. I detest the top five in this year's draft, and think that the best slots are (as usual) between #9 and #14.

    Couple that with the names NE has brought in to work out, Jenkins and Andre Smith, and I have to wonder why they aren't moving up?

    Tyson Jackson, I feel, is part of that equation as the missing signified. Working Jenkins and Smith signals an intent. Not working Jackson signals nothing.

    Is working the other two dissimulation for an interest in Jackson? Or is it this merely a face value act?

    I would have figured for sure that NE's move would be a wait and see who falls, because their draft is so player oriented, and flipping #58 or #89 to get up into the low teens for the faller. But moving up to "get their guy for sure" has its own merits.

    So #23 and #47 and #89 puts them into #9. It still leaves them with #34 AND #58 AND #97, while taking care of the fact that they had too many selections AND essentially nabbing them a first year starter in the draft.

    I wouldn't rule Rak "Daddy" out here as well. Like I said before, he is flat out the best OLB prospect coming out in a while when we look at how BB uses his OLBs. He can set an edge, rush the passer, and is fluid enough in space. His triangle numbers are perfect.

    The new board in this scenario?

    Raji
    Rak Daddy
    Andre Smith
    Eugene Monroe
    Jenkins
    Tyson Jackson

    In no particular order.  All of those players would be instant starters, Raji and Jackson notwithstanding as a player that would start *next* season when they would let Fork or Sey go.

    My money right now is on the instant starter for 2009, as this is that kind of bold move.

    So Rak Daddy or Andre Smith would be my choice.


     
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    Find my new Thread, post your mock and see how many look bad on Monday

    #23 Aaron Maybin OLB/DE-Pats consider trading out of first but Maybin drops into their laps, will rush the passer from day one

    #34 Evander Hood DT-Find insurance in case RS is gone next year, now need a NT as insurance for VW

    #47 Traded to KC 2010 2nd 2009 3rd

    #58 Max Unger C/G-Great value here

    #67 (from KC) Ron Brace NT - Can we be this fortunate, in my world yes.  We have found good players as insurance and solid backups this year.

    #89 Traded 2010 2nd

    #97 Troy Kropog OT
    - can play either LT or RT 

    #124 Dannell Ellerbe ILB  

    #170 Aaron Kelly WR 6'5" good speed, needs to get stronger but

    #199 Traded 2010

    #207 Cameron Morrah TE - not a complete blocker but can open the middle

    #211 (moved up, gave up 234 2010 6) Victor Butler DE/OLB brings another pass rushing specialist and special teams contributor

     
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    Ush,

    Yeah, and basball is about the only sport that gets looked at here. Totally an academics first University. Really a great place to learn.


    I guess NE is opting for quality over quantity. The dreams that people on the forum have of turning four low first/high second guys into starters on the Pats are somewhat unrealistic. But moving up and snagging a player like Andre Smith or Monroe (if King is correct) gets them a player they would need.

    I think they have 11(!!!!) free agents on the offensive line next season. Resigning those guys or adding quality from the FA market is going to be tough.

    I would be happy with Andre Smith. Like I said. Before bowl-gate, combine-gate,a nd shirtless-gate, he was my #1 overall, one of the only two suepr-blue chippers, and the best player coming out.

    Very, very little downside as a starting RT in the NFL. Upside as a all-pro elite LT.

    What isn't to like there? Then go get Larry English or Barwin or someone else at #34. Problem solved.

    If *I* were at #9 I would be grabbing Orakpo for sure. The kid is a stud and would start over any of the rabble they have at OLB from day one.


     
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    OK, so dueling mock scenarios?

    #9 Andre Smith
    #34 Best OLB/DE
    #58 Best DB

    #9 Brian Orakpo
    #34 Best OL
    #58 Best DB
     
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    OK. so here is one mock draft. Probably not my last, LOL.

    Pats trade #23, #47 and a future pick for #9.

    They select  . . .

    #9 Brian Orakpo
    #34 Eric Wood
    #58 Patrick Chung
    #89 Kevin Barnes
    #97 Louis Murphy
    #124 Rashad Jennings
    #170 Devin Moore

    And then some other noise. This depends on Orakpo slipping out of the top-five. Which in this year's draft he shouldn't, but the pulse is that there could be a run on tackles up there.


     
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    [QUOTE]Ush, Yeah, and basball is about the only sport that gets looked at here. Totally an academics first University. Really a great place to learn. I guess NE is opting for quality over quantity. The dreams that people on the forum have of turning four low first/high second guys into starters on the Pats are somewhat unrealistic. But moving up and snagging a player like Andre Smith or Monroe (if King is correct) gets them a player they would need. I think they have 11(!!!!) free agents on the offensive line next season. Resigning those guys or adding quality from the FA market is going to be tough. I would be happy with Andre Smith. Like I said. Before bowl-gate, combine-gate,a nd shirtless-gate, he was my #1 overall, one of the only two suepr-blue chippers, and the best player coming out. Very, very little downside as a starting RT in the NFL. Upside as a all-pro elite LT. What isn't to like there? Then go get Larry English or Barwin or someone else at #34. Problem solved. If *I* were at #9 I would be grabbing Orakpo for sure. The kid is a stud and would start over any of the rabble they have at OLB from day one.
    Posted by zbellino[/QUOTE]zb-there are many later round picks that are great players,and many top ten picks that have become busts.eatheir way its a gamble,and you can only hope the player turns out good.
     
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    umm, ok.

    But there are many many more players from the first round that turn out to be stars. That is just a statistical fact. It is why there are rounds in the draft, and why trading up costs selections.
     
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    Z,

    Now that the draft is upon us, will you be leaving the forum until mid-November?  No training camp insight or game by game analysis?
     
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    Where did you go Mighty?

    Yeah, I usually dial it down over the summer. I like to travel and usually have personal writing projects to attend to. But I usually start chiming in about the beginning of the season. But after the draft and before the season, there really isn't much to talk about.

    But you are right. From week eight to the draft is when I am a heavy user here.
     
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    [QUOTE]Oh yeah, and for all my friends here that are old hands, Kye, Faucet, Ush, Arod and the rest of the crew. In full disclosure, I became an LSU Tiger one week ago, as I am teaching literature and finishing my PhD down there for the next four years. Hence, I am now duty bound to bag on all Volunteers, Gators, Razorbacks, Commodores, Tigers from any state other than LA, Crimson Tide guys, Rebels, Gamecocks, Wildcats, and Bulldogs from Georgia or Miss State. I no longer feel I can be objective. LOL. Oh, BTW, here is my new Mock. #11 Tyson Jackson for #23 and #34. #47 Traded out for future picks #58 Darry Beckwidth #89 Demetrius Byrd #97 Herman Johnson #124 Rick Jean-Francois #170 Quinn Johnson #199 Traded #207 Curtis Taylor #234 Traded for the future                                                                                                
    Posted by zbellino[/QUOTE]
    So next season we will have to call you Dr. Z.  I don't know if I can take that:)))).

    I think the Pats are going after Ayers, Maualuga or maybe even a slipping Curry.
     
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    Now there are rumors that NE actually wants to trade down. Maybe they are as uncomfortable at #23 as I am. LOL.

    Ok. So here is my trade up mock. I will try and post one later that accomodates a trade down -- which I see as option number two. If they can't get value at either trade, I expect they stay put and lean toward a player like Darius Butler. 

    1     Detroit Lions  -- Matthew Stafford
    2     St. Louis Rams -- Jason Smith
    3     Kansas City Chiefs -- Tyson Jackson
    4     Seattle Seahawks -- Mark Sanchez [there could be action here for Sanchez]
    5     Cleveland Browns -- Aaron Curry
    6     Cincinnati Bengals -- Eugene Monroe
    7     Oakland Raiders -- Jeremy Maclin
    8     Jacksonville Jaguars -- Michael Crabtree
    9     New England Patriots (via Green Bay Packers) -- Brian "Rak Daddy" Orakpo
    10     San Francisco 49ers -- B.J. Raji
    11     Buffalo Bills -- Andre Smith
    12     Denver Broncos -- Aaron Maybin
    13     Washington Redskins -- Chris Wells
    14     New Orleans Saints -- Malcom Jenkins
    15     Houston Texans -- Clay Matthews
    16     San Diego Chargers -- Rey Maualuga
    17     New York Jets -- Josh Freeman [If they trade up for Sanchez this doesn't happen]
    18     Denver Broncos (from Chicago) -- Vontae Davis
    19     Tampa Bay Buccaneers -- Darius Heyward-Bey
    20     Detroit Lions (from Dallas) -- Michael Oher
    21     Philadelphia Eagles -- Knowshon Moreno
    22     Minnesota Vikings -- Eben Britton
    23     Green Bay Packers (via NE) -- Robert Ayers
    24     Atlanta Falcons -- Darius Butler
    25     Miami Dolphins -- Everette Brown
    26     Baltimore Ravens -- Brian Cushing
    27     Indianapolis Colts -- Peria Jerry
    28     Buffalo Bills (from Carolina via Philadelphia) -- Larry English
    29     New York Giants -- James Laurinaitis
    30     Tennessee Titans -- Evander Hood
    31     Arizona Cardinals -- Donald Brown
    32     Pittsburgh Steelers -- Max Unger

    #34 Eric Wood
    #58 PatrickChung
    #89 trade out
    #97 Kevin Barnes
    #124 Rashad Jennings
    #170 Devin Moore
     
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    ZB do you have any concerns that Orakpo could be last years Vernon Gholston? I like the mock, but I would hate to see the Dolphins land Everette Brown.

    I really hope the Pats end up with Connor Barwin today! He really seems like he would be a good fit for the Pats in all three phases of the game.

     
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    If we traded up I wouldnt want it to be for Orakapo, I don't think he would make a good OLB in the 3-4, I see him as more of a 4-3 End. I think English would be a better fit, but that may mean nothing. I really don't think that they will trade up or down in the 1st, they will just take the player on their board.

    Malaugla isn't a 2 down player, so if he falls to 23 I would take him, true he doesnt cover all that well but his strength  is rushing the passer, something that we could use a little more of.
     
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    No. And it is just speculation.

    But VG was a r3tard. Orakpo is a smart player. Vernon Gholston had terrible technique, Orakpo has great technique. Gholston was the stiffest straight line player in the draft in years, Orakpo is about as flexible as you can expect a big body to be.  Orakpo can set an edge, all Gholston could do wasrush the edge.

    He is a far more complete player.

    It doesn't mean he is coming here, or that he is a success. But taking Orakpo doesn't scare me in the slightest. I was terrified at taking VG.

    Other targets up there are T.J., A. Smith, Monroe, perhaps Curry, and Malcom Jenkins. All depending on how the draft shakes out. I would imagine that Ne was testing the waters and have a package ready to move if the player(s) they like are still on the board when the Packers (who want out) select.
    Failing that they have some time to watch things develop, and mull over who they like at #23 (Butler, English, Britton?) or work out how to move down, which is another strategy I like.

    I am just not impressed with the guys who will be coming off the board between 20 and the late thirties. #23 is overkill. You are almost reaching for whoever you take. Trading up or down solves that problem.
     
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    English will probably have more trouble transitioning to 3-4 OLB than the "Rak."

    Maualuga is not a pass rusher at all. He is a MIKE. I don't know what player you have been watching. I am not convinced he is a two-down guy anyway, he just has two-down downside.

    Ne wants to trade up (for a player[s] we don't know) or down. Getting it done is a completely different matter.
     
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    Good stuff ZB. Did any of you guys hear Matt Cassel signed a new 6 yr deal? 30 something million guaranteed. Sounds like Maualuga won't slip to the Pats and the newest rumor/smokescreen is the Pats are targeting a OL at #23.

     
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    What newest rumor? ? ?

    Eben Britton? Who?
     
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    Eben Britton or William Beatty reported by ESPN's Wendy Nix. It's also over at rotoworld.com
     
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    So BB says trading into the top ten is a "less than zero". More dreams of Andre Smith or Rak shattered. LOL.

    OK, so that doesn't rule out the original scenario of wait and see and flip a few picks to move up a couple spots and snag the guy that falls.

    If they want Butler, they should take him, because I see him going to Atlanta after.

    Anyhow, here is one more.

    1     Detroit Lions  -- Matthew Stafford
    2     St. Louis Rams -- Jason Smith
    3     Kansas City Chiefs -- Tyson Jackson
    4     Seattle Seahawks -- Mark Sanchez [there could be action here for Sanchez]
    5     Cleveland Browns -- Aaron Curry
    6     Cincinnati Bengals -- Eugene Monroe
    7     Oakland Raiders -- Jeremy Maclin
    8     Jacksonville Jaguars -- Michael Crabtree
    9     Green Bay Packers -- B.J. Raji
    10     San Francisco 49ers -- Brian "Rak Daddy" Orakpo
    11     Buffalo Bills -- Andre Smith
    12     Denver Broncos -- Aaron Maybin
    13     Washington Redskins -- Chris Wells
    14     New Orleans Saints -- Malcom Jenkins
    15     Houston Texans -- Clay Matthews
    16     San Diego Chargers -- Rey Maualuga
    17     New York Jets -- Josh Freeman [If they trade up for Sanchez this doesn't happen]
    18     Denver Broncos (from Chicago) -- Vontae Davis
    19     Tampa Bay Buccaneers -- Darius Heyward-Bey
    20     Detroit Lions (from Dallas) -- Michael Oher
    21     Philadelphia Eagles -- Knowshon Moreno
    22     Minnesota Vikings -- Phil Loadholt
    23     New England -- Eben Britton
    24     Atlanta Falcons -- Darius Butler
    25     Miami Dolphins -- Everette Brown
    26     Baltimore Ravens -- Brian Cushing
    27     Indianapolis Colts -- Peria Jerry
    28     Buffalo Bills (from Carolina via Philadelphia) -- Robert Ayers
    29     New York Giants -- James Laurinaitis
    30     Tennessee Titans -- Evander Hood
    31     Arizona Cardinals -- Donald Brown
    32     Pittsburgh Steelers -- Max Unger

    #34 Connor Barwin
    #47 Patrick Chung
    #58 Shawn Nelson
    #89 trade out
    #97 Kevin Barnes
    #124 Tyrone McKenzie
    #170 Devin Moore

    So many players I think Ne would love that aren't here. Eric Wood for example would be perfect if they could trade down, or a great sub if Britton is gone. Butler would do fine at #23. But then they would have to adjust, and grab a tackle or center/guard at the end of round two. I did my usual and tried to keep the payers from being huge reaches even if I liked them higher. But being realistic anyone at #23 is kind of a reach. 

    Slighlty optimistic at some spots. And I like some of these guys so much that having them hang around makes me feel self serving :-) But this is a good mix  . . . no trades assumed. I really don't like #23 this year unless it shakes out that a true talent is there. We have like . . . one hour . . . before NE picks to discuss trade down scenarios. So that should be fun. Who do you guys think woul be interested in getting into #23?
     
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    Yeah, I have been all over Britton for weaks. I think he could very well go higher. Beatty wouldn't be a bad concession prize, but personally I don't think he is as talented. Britton would start on this team next season.
     
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    Nice. Good through the top three. This pick bothers me. I had trouble with Seattle because they could go with Crabs, Sanch or Curry. All three would be upgrades.

    C'mon Seattle  . . . don't "f" my board up. LOL.
     
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