Re: Draft and Free Agency - Safety
posted at 2/19/2014 10:22 AM EST
In response to TrueChamp's comment:
Eng let's just drop it(again) you are telling us BB shouldn't of signed guys like Dillion, Moss, Gronk, Hern, AD, because they were STUD football players with checkered pasts. But you liked the Rodney signing(dirtiest player in the league), and the Seymour extension. Your premise is too hypocritical for me and based purely on hindsight.
You knock the way the guy has built a dynasty and if you want to use examples of his multiple misses in the 2nd round, I agree but to now sit here and say- Look even the Moss, Dillion, AD, Gronk, and Hern picks were poor moves is just too far. Just saying BB should avoid the value guys(which his 13 year dynasty has been built on) and go for high rated FA's is a vague and irresponsible statement. BB pays top rated expensive talented FA's they are just his own that he brings in, coaches up and develops into stars.
True stop putting words in my mouth. Not sure where you get some of these ideas but you keep sticking words in my mouth I didn't say. That's like me saying that you think Lloyd, Fanene, Haynesworth, Ocho, A. Wilson, Bodden were the greatest signings ever and T. Wilson was an amazing pick. Again you can take on some red flag guys but don't be surprised when they fail because of those red flags. However, recently we've taken on more then a couple at a time and have made over a 1/4 of the starters red flag guys. You can't have that many red flags and expect nothing will happen, that's my issue. It doesn't work that way.
Rodney being a dirty player isn't a red flag because it didn't affect if he could stay on the field. Seymour didn't have any red flags that would suggest he wouldn't be on the field. None of that is hypocritical because they aren't red flags that could potentially effect the team unlike getting suspended for off field issues or not being able to stay on the field at all from injury.
One of these days I would love to see what you actually read because you seem to come to a conclusion on a meaning regardless of if it is right or wrong and jump on it without actually understanding what the person is saying. And yet again you do the thing you said was "lame" pulling out the you know better than BB argument.
I'll ask you again to keep it civilized:
Which low cost players over the years have paid off using this type of system. We can have a good discussion on players they wanted but under bid vs players they got with that value.
Then on the upcoming FA period lets here what ideas you have for FA's. We all know BB's system so using that system which players would you like to see picked up that would fit BB's value system.
We can have a good discussion on those players and weigh the good and bad on each if you like. To me we'd both get a good discussion on the above topics. Not going into extremes and reading into things that don't exist.
As for the system, I think it works to take a chance on a low cost high upside player with some red flags if you only take that chance on a player or two every couple years. However, if you are taking too many at any given time it does prevent you from signing higher talent players with less red flags as the Pats have done in recent years. As I think it's alright to take a chance on a couple high talent FA with no red flags every couple years just as long as you don't sign too many too quickly. This system is great for adding depth as you can get better talent for the depth and if they fail not a big loss if the cost is low, however I don't like the system when it's adding those types of players as starters you need to count on in large numbers and are paying longer term guaranteed money to them under the risk it creates chunks of dead money if they fail for those red flags. I feel the Pats haven't had the upfront talent to win in the playoffs against higher talent teams and the reasons for that is because they have to use JAGs as starters because dead money prevents them from signing high talented players and because a number of their starters are in fact injury prone and don't last a full season. To me those issues can be prevented and are known prior to signing. Simply if a player is known to cause issues in the locker room maybe don't give him money that could hurt you if you need to dump them after a year. I know crazy talk but it happens and has cost this team dearly in dead money. Also if a player is injury prone you need to invest in a better backup for them, not to mention if you already have a number of injury prone players maybe you shouldn't take on so much risk on them and not sign so many. Pick and chose your players better. Gronk, worth taking a risk on. Amendola, not worth the risk considering any number of players who are more durable can do the same job.