Re: Draft and Free Agency - Safety
posted at 2/18/2014 11:28 PM EST
In response to PatsEng's comment:
In response to TrueChamp's comment:
Oh, "THATS HINDSIGHT" sure eng. You are the king of hindsight. You have literally admonished every player signing BB made on our past thread. Suggesting they were poor signings at the time they were made...amazing. Dillion, Gronk, Adalius, Hernandez, Moss, Volmer. You must have hated the Rodney Harrison signing, and the Seymour extension must have really twisted your cap, oh and all that money we threw at at that 6th round value QB from Michigan must have got your goat hey eng!?!?
Lets go through them one at a time:
Dillion - never said was bad signing just pointed out his red flags and he failed because of red flags. Please point out where I said it was bad.
You just said it was bad..."failed" equals what? Good? You are saying Corey Dillion failed because of his red flags in order to prove your point that BB shouldn't draft risk/value players!
Gronk - Have said many many times I would do that deal again, please point out where I said otherwise. But as with Dillion, red flags that guess what have come back to haunt him
Ok so what is this a back handed compliment? You would of signed him to the same deal but what, wouldn't have drafted an injury risk like Gronk?
Adalius - now you get on me for the signing which I have time and time again have said he didn't fail because of performance but because of personality conflicts. You would think the guy who hired him (you know the same one who coached him) would have known his personality would have clashed but never said it was a bad deal (that was you). Then again how was I suppose to know their personalities conflict, I didn't interview him or hire him
HA, your still doing it. Adalius wasn't a faliure...he was a faliure! You think Bill Belichick made a mistake in signing Adalius Thomas who is the very defintion of the type of players you condemn Bill Belichick for NOT signing! Read your own words man. You want stud top rated FA's like Adalius, Dillion etc.. but then say BB should have known not to sign them. Lemme guess you have some guys back in 07 and 04 that you liked better then AD and Dillion as FA's? lol
Moss - again pointed out red flags and he failed because of red flags but never said it was a bad deal
NOW RANDY MOSS IS A FAILURE? 23 tds in his 1st year and a 18-1 record....Moss failed because of red flags...UGHHHH
Vollmer - never said it was a bad deal but again look at red flags and failing because of red flags
Volmer another BB failure to recognize those "red flags" have to be kidding me.
Hernandez - If we knew about his past the way the Pats must have when they signed the extension I would say that extension was bad. Too much risk for a guy with such a tainted past. That's one you need to wait out before hand. Good job you found the one case which is really hindsight because we lacked the info the Pats had. Btw he failed because of his red flags too.....
I can't keep up. So, you think BB and Kraft knew this guy would feel the urge to snuff a guy out sooner or later but went ahead and gave him 40 mill anyway...that doesn't sound very smart.
Notice something here about the guys you pointed out, 1 - I never said any were bad deals (though you think I have would love to see you point out I did) except or Hern but that's new knowledge the Pats knew at the time we didn't, and 2 - THEY ALL HAVE RED FLAGS AND HAVE FAILED BECAUSE OF THEM. I keep telling you it's red flags I don't like and to stop signing them. I'm surprised you chose to use them as examples of bad contracts and not of value guys.
And there you have it ladies and gentlemen. Patseng says we shouldn't have signed Randy Moss for a 4rth round pick because of "red flags" or Clock Killin Corey Dillion due to his..."red flags", or Adalius super freak Thomas because of...."red flags" or extended Rob Gronkowski after catching 28 tds his 1st 2 seasons because of, wait for it..."red flags" and perfect fit receiving move TE Hernandez locked up with Gronk after they were the main ingredeients for Tom Brady's best season of his career. 2 years without a peep and BB and Kraft shouldn't have locked up the core of Brady's 36 td 4 interception TE arsenal? SURE.
Red flags are guys you typically get cheaper, your VALUE GUYS. Goldson didn't have red flags they just didn't want to give market value, my argument is too many red flag guys is bad and sometimes you have to pay market value or above market to get a guy without red flags entering his prime.
But let me ask you so I can clearify. Was me saying Amendola was going to get injured and not provide as much as Welker did with the Pats right after him signing hindsight? Or me saying we need to draft a DT in the early rounds because the interior DL was weak and Wilfork was getting older with more wear for the last 3 drafts hindsight? or how about me saying A. Wilson looked slow and something was off at the end of his Ari career right after he signed that must have been hindsight too right? Btw those are all red flags too injury prone, not investing younger into an aging position with little depth, and an aging player drastically slowing down at the end half of a season and losing his starting position. It's funny you call it hindsight I call it red flags. I guess the difference is I see the red flags and you see it as bad luck over and over and over again.
BTW I love the Seymour extension WAIT...Richard Seymour didn't have any..."RED FLAGS"? WHAT?(
you must have hated it had no value), but hated the trade (you must still love it for it's value), I loved the Harrison pick up because he didn't really have major red flags
WAIT, Rodney Harrison the "Dirtiest player in the league" didn't have any ..."RED FLAGS" he was an aging veteran safety who slowed down and was cut from the team he played for most of a decade...sounds familiar?? Right!, You must have HATED that Adrian Wilson type pick up
and as far as Brady considering he came from a comp pick (one of those pesky ones BB couldn't trade), had no red flags,
He was a slow weak QB with no muscle who couldn't win the starting job on his own team and was passed over 198 times but Tom Brady had no....."Red Flags"!!!??? OK
was signed in his prime, and was still paid as a top 10 QB (go figure giving money to a young player with no red flags in their prime) I loved it but you don't like to give market value deals for young players entering their prime with no red flags. No value there
You have now approached rusty status on this subject. You just condemned every one of BB's moves from above....while saying you are not condemning them...amazing stuff really.