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    http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/29/2012-draft-visits-and-workout-tracker/


    Scroll down to N.E and it looks like we are focusing on DEFENSE BABY! Brockers anyone???
     
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    thank goodness... .no Janoris Jenkins

    he probably had a date
     
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    Ron Brooks is my top defensive mid-late round sleeper... VT WR Danny Coale on the offensive side of the ball.
     
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    Sweet! Imagine if our first 5 picks were ALL on D !
     
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    Ron Brooks is my top defensive mid-late round sleeper... VT WR Danny Coale on the offensive side of the ball.
    Posted by mbeaulieu07


    MB:  good to see you on another thread.

     this is that list of the NE visits, with a few exceptions this appears to be a list of possible FAs or real late picks.

    Why Brockers ..will he drop that far or is trade in works?
    Irwin at 63  is he worth it, if say we cant get Upshaw, McClellin ( my pick),
    I agree with you on Brooks  he was under hyped because of the Honey Badger.

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    *Louisville cornerback Josh Bellamy (3/21).Arizona State cornerback Omar Bolden (?/?).LSU defensive tackle Michael Brockers (4/?).  USA  Sports weekly  # 10*LSU cornerback Ron Brooks (3/?).*Bethune-Cookman linebacker Ryan Davis (3/?).UCLA safety Tony Dye (4/3).West Virginia linebacker Bruce Irvin (?/?).    USA  Sports weekly  #59Oklahoma linebacker Ronnell Lewis (4/?).*Hampton cornerback Micah Pellerin (3/5).*LSU safety Brandon Taylor (3/?). USA  Sports weekly   #160
     
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    That said BB will draft all offensive players ....lol....just when we think we know the answer to the question....BB changes the question....
     
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    In Response to Re: Draft workout/visits listed : MB:  ...Why Brockers ..will he drop that far or is trade in works? .. Sports weekly    #160
    Posted by mgraham


    that jumped out at me as well. note that the other visitors are late second or later rounders. it looks like a trade up. totally out of recent patter for bb. however, i have been saying that bb may be looking for a NT so he can move vw to LDE. brockers is about the same weight as vw, but longer.
     
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    In Response to Re: Draft workout/visits listed : that jumped out at me as well. note that the other visitors are late second or later rounders. it looks like a trade up. totally out of recent patter for bb. however, i have been saying that bb may be looking for a NT so he can move vw to LDE. brockers is about the same weight as vw, but longer.
    Posted by seattlepat70


    If he is the draft choice I think Vince would go back to his more natural nose position and Brocker's would start at end and block out the sun. BB would try to lean him up and turn him into another Seymour.  I'd like to see either combination truthfully.

    The best outside linebacker on my board is Bruce Irvin from WVU.  I'd like to see them both get drafted in the 1st round, or with a 1 and high 2.

     
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    In Response to Re: Draft workout/visits listed : If he is the draft choice I think Vince would go back to his more natural nose position and Brocker's would start at end and block out the sun. BB would try to lean him up and turn him into another Seymour.  I'd like to see either combination truthfully. The best outside linebacker on my board is Bruce Irvin from WVU.  I'd like to see them both get drafted in the 1st round, or with a 1 and high 2.
    Posted by wozzy


    agree on using vw-brockers combo either way.

    irving, i am kinda mixed. the thought of a quick olb in the line up is attractive. . 
     
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    In Response to Re: Draft workout/visits listed : agree on using vw-brockers combo either way. irving, i am kinda mixed. the thought of a quick olb in the line up is attractive. . 
    Posted by seattlepat70



    several of teh pros dont see irvin having a spot he can play on the field. 
    makes no sense to me for bb to visit brockers. dbs at lsu i cna see.
    if he were going to move up, why would he announce it to the world and make it harder to get the player?
     
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    In Response to Re: Draft workout/visits listed : Definately...at least we can rule out Brockers entirely from Belichick's inevitable gameplan (unless this is a double swing-back elliptical jedi trick of his this time).
    Posted by LazarusintheSanatorium


    exactly
     
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    thank goodness... .no Janoris Jenkins he probably had a date
    Posted by mgraham



     :) 
    you are on tonight mgraham!
     
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    In Response to Re: Draft workout/visits listed : Irvin will be there at 63
    Posted by rameakap

    We're at 62 now, Saints lost their 2nd round pick.
     
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    If we look at the old draft trading chart, we have the ammo to move up if we were targeting a specific player; ie.e Brockers or Barron.

    27.  680
    31.  600
    48.  420
    62.  284
    94.  124
    128. 44 (i'm not sure where this pick is yet, anyone know after the comp picks were awarded)

    I think we should keep pick 31 as it is a perfect spot to land Branch/McClellin or one of the other 34 OLBs.

    So, 27 and 48 gets us to 14
    27 and 62 gets us to 17

    I've seen Brockers mocked a lot to DAL at 14 and PHI at 15 so this would seem to be the range we'd have to move to.  As I said before, we only have a couple of missing pieces on the team.  What if we packaged 4 of our picks to try to get Brockers and Barron?

    14.  (27/48)  Brockers
    25.  (31/94)  Barron
    62.  McClellin or Curry
    128. Broyles or Bernard Pierce  (both injured guys who represent big time value if there)

    We then bring back Carter.  We just need a couple of pieces and we're set.

     
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    Thanks for posting this link, TrueChamp.  Definitaly some names to get excited about here!
     
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    The Eagles need a safety and an OT it would make sense that they target Barron/Adams at 27/31 or Martin/Smith and trade us pick 15.
    Posted by rameakap


    Yes, along with a few other teams. Most think Barron won't make it to 27. So, if you were Andy Reid, I think you make your pick at 15 (Barron), and look to jump back into round 1 to land Adams at say 27 or 31 if he's your guy.

    This depends on how bad they want Barron whether or not Reid would trade us pick 15, because I don't think he's getting Barron at 27.
     
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    In Response to Re: Draft workout/visits listed : If he is the draft choice I think Vince would go back to his more natural nose position and Brocker's would start at end and block out the sun. BB would try to lean him up and turn him into another Seymour.  I'd like to see either combination truthfully. The best outside linebacker on my board is Bruce Irvin from WVU.  I'd like to see them both get drafted in the 1st round, or with a 1 and high 2.
    Posted by wozzy


    I agree. A starting DL of Brockers, VW and Fanene would be nice.

    I like Bruce Irvin, but I don't think he is the best OLB in this draft. He certainly has great potential as a pass rusher, but I would rather have Branch, McClellin, Curry ahead of Irvin. All 3 of those guys will be lining up as ends and at 3-4 OLB. Plus, Irvin only has 2 years of production, with last year considerably down from his 1st.
     
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    Brockers would be a nice addition. He would add a kind of versatility to the set. He could (and has) playe 3-tech, under, and END on either side. In practice I think he is a good candidate for left end, across from whoever is playing elephant DE. 

    He is an incredibly athlete by any regard, but I'm not so sure about BB taking a flyer on an underclassmen that high. 

    Intriguing, to me, are Bruce Irvin and Ronnel Lewis. Either of these guys could contribute at that elephant position. Given the loss of Anderson, and the uncertainty about a player of Andre Carter's vintage, I see it as a major question marks going in. And both of these men would stand as second round pickups likely, maybe 3rd, meaning NE could address other holes (DB) a bit higher. 

    All in all, I agree with the draft strategy we are seeing take shape here. 

    Frankly, I think the offense has enough talent, and NE needs to focus on getting the defense up to snuff. They would get more out of the offense by adding more talent on defense than by adding another star player in the former. A defesnse that could get more timely stops, and more forced turnovers, in short more possessions for the offense (3-4 more per game), could net this offense another 10-14 points per game, especially against stingier opponents. 


     
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    If we look at the old draft trading chart, we have the ammo to move up if we were targeting a specific player; ie.e Brockers or Barron. 27.  680 31.  600 48.  420 62.  284 94.  124 128. 44 (i'm not sure where this pick is yet, anyone know after the comp picks were awarded) I think we should keep pick 31 as it is a perfect spot to land Branch/McClellin or one of the other 34 OLBs. So, 27 and 48 gets us to 14 27 and 62 gets us to 17 I've seen Brockers mocked a lot to DAL at 14 and PHI at 15 so this would seem to be the range we'd have to move to.  As I said before, we only have a couple of missing pieces on the team.  What if we packaged 4 of our picks to try to get Brockers and Barron? 14.  (27/48)  Brockers 25.  (31/94)  Barron 62.  McClellin or Curry 128. Broyles or Bernard Pierce  (both injured guys who represent big time value if there) We then bring back Carter.  We just need a couple of pieces and we're set.
    Posted by Faucetman


    In your scenario faucet, you are using both 1sts to move up to land Brockers and Barron. I agree with your thoughts on Dal and Philly. However, both of those teams also need safety help and could be real candidates for Barron, along with several other teams picking before us.

    The more I think about the drop off of talent in this safety class (next year being much better), i think we should be moving either McCourty or Moore to FS and grabbing a CB (where there is better depth this year), and possibly look to draft a big safety later on this draft to back up Chung like Iloka.

    I like the idea around Brockers. Package 27/48 to move to 15. Grab Brockers or if by some chance Cox slips, maybe him.

    We then trade pick 31 into top of round 2. So a 2nd this year, 2nd next year. 2a we grab Branch. 2b/2c could be a swap between McClellin/Curry (OLB/DE) and Hosley/Robinson/Boykin/etc. Meaning grab each of 1 of those at 2b and 2c.


     
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    Brockers would be a nice addition. He would add a kind of versatility to the set. He could (and has) playe 3-tech, under, and END on either side. In practice I think he is a good candidate for left end, across from whoever is playing elephant DE.  He is an incredibly athlete by any regard, but I'm not so sure about BB taking a flyer on an underclassmen that high.  Intriguing, to me, are Bruce Irvin and Ronnel Lewis. Either of these guys could contribute at that elephant position. Given the loss of Anderson, and the uncertainty about a player of Andre Carter's vintage, I see it as a major question marks going in. And both of these men would stand as second round pickups likely, maybe 3rd, meaning NE could address other holes (DB) a bit higher.  All in all, I agree with the draft strategy we are seeing take shape here.  Frankly, I think the offense has enough talent, and NE needs to focus on getting the defense up to snuff. They would get more out of the offense by adding more talent on defense than by adding another star player in the former. A defesnse that could get more timely stops, and more forced turnovers, in short more possessions for the offense (3-4 more per game), could net this offense another 10-14 points per game, especially against stingier opponents. 
    Posted by zbellino


    Perhaps you are right on Brockers. Would you do make the trade up for Cox? Similar type of package (27 & 48).

    I think if we are looking to replace Carter/Anderson, we need a DE/OLB bigger than both Irvin and Lewis. I like them both, but neither could play 4-3 DE in the NFL. I'm thinking a bit bigger like Curry and McClellin. Both are in the 260 range, and can move between DE and OLB. Both should be had in round 2 as well.

    Something nobody is currently talking about is the knee surgery of Spikes. It seems like he will be okay and return to form, but he's missed some significant time inside. Is Fletcher the guy to start with Mayo, or do we consider a kid in this draft that we could play inside? personally, I think Ronnell Lewis could make a very good ILB. I think that is his natural position. he has the hitting capacity of Spikes, but is quicker/faster and better in coverage. he also is a ST stud. I would love to see Mayo/Lewis inside together in a 3-4, with Nink/McClellin/Curry/Branch (take your pick) on the other side.
     
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    If we look at the old draft trading chart, we have the ammo to move up if we were targeting a specific player; ie.e Brockers or Barron. 27.  680 31.  600 48.  420 62.  284 94.  124 128. 44 (i'm not sure where this pick is yet, anyone know after the comp picks were awarded) I think we should keep pick 31 as it is a perfect spot to land Branch/McClellin or one of the other 34 OLBs. So, 27 and 48 gets us to 14 27 and 62 gets us to 17 I've seen Brockers mocked a lot to DAL at 14 and PHI at 15 so this would seem to be the range we'd have to move to.  As I said before, we only have a couple of missing pieces on the team.  What if we packaged 4 of our picks to try to get Brockers and Barron? 14.  (27/48)  Brockers 25.  (31/94)  Barron 62.  McClellin or Curry 128. Broyles or Bernard Pierce  (both injured guys who represent big time value if there) We then bring back Carter.  We just need a couple of pieces and we're set.
    Posted by Faucetman
    The Pats are not moving up to get Brockers heis Immature, over rated and did not test well at all at the Combine and in interviews. He is not the next Richard Seymour.
     
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    I love the fact that they are bringing in LSU players. The Ron Brooks kid is Special. He is an athlete that can do it all. Patriots Player if there ever was one. He reminds me of Ellis Hobbs in regards to his Enthusiam, competitiveness and toughness. He is more talented though. Looks like a backup WR. Plays like a linebacker. Can cover kicks with the best of them. Can blitz from the Corner. He isnt the best Cover CB, but will make up for it with smarts and toughness.  I would welcome him for sure. I also like the Taylor kid at safety. I would be happy if we added him. Looks like they are def. looking at CB. Not that we dont have a solid rotation when healthy, but B.B. is always looking for CB's. You can never have enough. I also like the Irvin kid from W.V.
    Posted by patsfan76

    There is a great value adding from the bench and surplus players from that defense. Starting at CB, for instance,was hard. Most of LSU's starting CBs will end up as first round locks ... but their backups were still pretty good. If they were on any other team, they might have been starters, which means they might have been higher ranked. 

    From that perspective, they are great "values" that can be had late. 

    Brockers is tricky ... he is raw, but gifted. I wish he had comitted for another season, but if he did fall to NE I would love them to grab him. Athletes of his caliber are rare at that position. 
     
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