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    [Quote]I'm sold on the talent in this draft.

    I like the OT crop. I like the LB crop more than last season.

    I like the DE/OLB crop, even though the good ones might be gone.

    I don't see thePats stockpiling for later on, because they have needs that need to be addressed and the draft is the least expensive means of doing it.

    I wish there were better CBs up top, but I think they get by.[/Quote]

    That's just it! Like I was alluding to earlier, there's some great talent at the top with regards to positions that happen to be need areas for us, but then towards the bottom of the 1st round you're looking at a huge drop off if you're still focusing on need rather than best player available.

    I do see the Pats stockpiling for later because that's their M.O. and in this case I think it might be the more preferred route. Also, They already have two 2nd rounders and moving out of the first round should net the Pats an additional 2nd rounder this year which would leave them with three 2nd rounders to go along with their two 3rd rounders for this draft. Trust me, there's very good talent to be had in the 2nd round, and having three picks there can really help us load up some.

    Now, if they trade Cassel for a 1st rounder, and if you then factor in another 1st round pick due to moving out of round one this year, plus their own 1st round selection; that gives the Pats three 1st rounders should they choose to exercise those picks to help really load up on talent.

    To me, this makes more sense then exercising a pick for the hell of it, just hoping something good will happen because the team is in desperate need of an infusion of good young talent (on the cheap) when the talent is just not there. This would be like trying to place a square peg in a round hole (know what I mean?).
     
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    if we were able to pick up an extra first round pick or early second round pick from trading Cassel, i would find drafting Percy Harvin an interesting project. BB could do a lot with him, lining him up all over the offense and of course special teams.
     
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    As much as I like Faulk, a 3rd down short yardage/pass catching back will need to be developed or drafted at some point. Faulk has been a huge part of the Pats offensive success but he cant remain as productive forever. If there were multiple picks in the 1st round perhaps a player like Harvin will be chosen or the Pats could groom BenJarvis Green Ellis for that role. I think the greatest need for the Pats is to improve the defense & they'll probably pick a defensive player for their first pick.
     
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    Robert Ayers DE Tennessee / rising / mayo's close friend won't be over looked by Pats
    Alphonso Smith / A SMALLER db great skills / suprised you have't been blasted for even a mention ricky. this guy can press and was compared to Hobbs at the SR Bowl

    Kyle Moore from USC can put on the weight to play DE in 34 D can rush passer / seems to be rated higher than Moala

    Nic Harris S/LB would be a strong option.Not sure how high he goes. Anyone watch him much? He had 75 tackle this year three for loss. Is he SS or FS?

    TE class looks very good this year! Lots of underrated players

    Let's face it guys. The guy (I think) we have to find is Tedy's replacement. Tedy's no threat to rush or in coverage. Maybe Guyton is the Answer. Maybe we take a look again at Zach Thomas who said he would not go back to Dallas maybe Seau. I think we have to find a young guy at this spot this year. Lets all say it together MAUALUGA
    We''ll see

    In the Rb class I would take Coffee from AL. Their center Cadwell the can play both guard spots on OL also
     
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    [Quote]I see what you are saying. I just don't see it happening.

    As far as the Pats trading out of the first, I can't remember the last season they went in without a first rounder. The draft is such a key part of this team's success, so I just don't see them skipping a round.

    As far as trading something, you can count on it. LOL.

    There is a high likelyhood that they receive a pick for Cassel in next year's draft, or do apick swap trade -- for instance, Cassel and their first rounder this year for someone else's first rounder this season and next season, which could move them up a few spots.

    I also wouldn't overlook the player trade for Cassel. Mike Reiss brought up a good point, that a potential deal exists where they could trade Cassel for something like Chad Greenway.

    Trading out of the first is a lot harder to do than most people think.

    That said, the fact that players like Cushing, Sintim, Maualuga, etc, will be hanging around a bit, unless there is a LB run like we haven't seen. And if there is then it is likely that some talented OT or CB comes down.

    For instance, Vontae Davis is the kind of player who could be there.

    But going into next season without making a first round acquisition of some kind seems unlikely to me.

    Just my 2 cents.[/Quote]

    I am not sold on Cushing. He may be the third or forth best player on his own defense. Some one will fall. I keep saying Sintim will rise and I keep thinking Laurenaitis will fall. I think Maualuaga goes from top five to top 15 (still out of the Pats range). ZB, I think we could see a run on OTs with Oher, Smith and Monroe off the board by pick #18. Some one like Davis could be available. What do think about Cassel for the high 1st in 2009 or 2010 draft, ZB ? I think the Pats would settle for something in the 10-20 range. They still have to deal with Wilfork, Mankins and Seymour. Thus making Carolina, Tampa Bay and Minnisota better suitors than KC, Detroit (heaven forbid) St Louis or Seattle. The SF 1st (10-15) would be ideal and good luck (cf: Mayo).

     
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    Projected Patriots draft picks through 7 rounds:
    Round 1 #22 (from MIN) Rey Maualuga (ILB) USC or James Laurinaitis (ILB) Ohio State or Aaron Curry (OLB)Wake Forest

    Round 1 #23 (pats pick) ) Vontae Davis (CB)- Illinois or Alphonso Smith(CB) wake forest

    Round 2 #47 (from SD) Pettigrew (TE) Oklahoma state (hopefully he'll fall if not take best available TE)

    Round 2 #56 (pats pick) Trade for Ocho cinco (WR) Cincinnati or pick Boone(OL) the OSU or Ciron Black, OT, LSU

    Round 3 #86 (from MIN) Zack Follett (ILB) –California

    Round 3 #91 (pats pick) Curtis Taylor, FS, LSU or Kam Chancellor (FS) Virginia Tech

    Round 3 #97 (comp pick for Samuel) Max Unger, C, Oregon very versatile can play all 5 positions on the line

    Round 4 #120 (pats pick) Trade for Ocho cinco or pick Dominique Johnson (CB) Jackson state
    Round 4 (comp pick for Stallworth) CONNOR BARWIN (DE) Cincinnati

    Round 5 #151 (pats pick) Brandon Tate WR North Carolina

    Round 5 (comp pick for gay) Pat White (QB) West Virginia

    Round 6 #186 (pats pick) The best RB available

    Round 7 #216 (pats pick) Best CB available

     
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    Nate would love that draft, but will never happen, most of those players will be drafter much higher than you have them.
     
  9. You have chosen to ignore posts from ohyes. Show ohyes's posts

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    No comp pick for Stallworth we cut him
     
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    yeah i know most of the ranges the players were supposed to be picked in are the lower round in the range. But i can still hope. Thanks for your comments.
     
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    i thought we didn't cut him we just chose no to pick up the option on him. so we might still get a comp pick for stallworth.
     
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    I don't really mind that pick. Smith seems a great fit for the system. I'd prefer that pick though in the second round over the first though. In his mock, Laurinaitis is probably my choice though I would have a tough time passing Moreno.
     
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    I hope we dont take either. Smith is too short, I just want one decent 5'11" to 6'1" corner to assist in the red zone and that can jump.
    Laurinaitis makes allot of plays, but seems to me to be few behind the line, not many true impact plays. We dont need a guy that cleans up garbage in the first, we need a difference maker.
    I would much rather grab Brinkley with our 2nd as a ILB, assuming Maluaga (sp?) doesn't fall to us in the first somehow
     
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    i don't see us going with an outside linebacker in this draft. i think we have the players there right now with Vrabel, AD, Redd, Crabel, and potentially Woods. A guy like Brian Cushing (or if we some how got a top 10 pick Aaron Curry) though could be an interesting pick as he (they) could project to an inside or outside linebacker position. Right now, that's the perfect help for us in terms of pass rushing, run defense, and youth in the front 7.
     
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    RE A Smith, He is 5'9 however he's got the speed & hands to make QB's pay for mistakes. He may be the best playmaker at DB in the draft. I usually don't pay attention to verticle jumps but what if he shows excellent jumping ability. What DB is going to cover an elite WR like L Fitzgerald without help from a safety anyway. It will depend upon who may slide in the draft to NE but he may not be a bad pick.
     
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    Z,

    how do you know so much about football?
     
  17. You have chosen to ignore posts from RandyMossinThem. Show RandyMossinThem's posts

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    obv u take the better corner uless ur ne we shouldnt take hims a double of wheatly and hobbs. it has been said NE is looking for an asmouga type db such as dom. johnson
     
  18. You have chosen to ignore posts from MordecaiBloodmoon. Show MordecaiBloodmoon's posts

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    Johnson is one that intrigues me. He has the size we need, does he have the NFL level skills? havent seen enough film on him yet, but as the draft gets closer I will be watching
     
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    ZB in that case you should run our draft :) LOL
     
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    ZB, I wasnt saying to blow our 1st rounder on any tall CB. I just think we have enough 5'9" ish guys, and one good taller one would be a boost to our D. For that I like Johnson in the 2nd. Smith is a great potential player as well, but I think we end up at safety. So yes we can use him, just not sure if he is a CB in the pros. We know BB wont take any scrubs
     
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    People need to let it go on Hobbs in the SB. It was a all out blitz on D which means in all likelyhood that Plax should have run the slant(inside) or the blitz should have got there.Hobbs was beat on the same play call earlier in the game in which Plax ran the slant.
    Not trying to bashing anyone.

    Now back to the draft
     
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    "I stayed at a Holiday Inn Express last night."

    Classic! ZB you certainly have a high football IQ, did you play college football at all or maybe even coach college ball?

    Here's one Mock-Draft that leaves me scratching my head and asking myself would the Pats take Clay Matthews over a player like Michael Johnson, if he was still on the board? I didn't think Matthews looked that good last night in the Senior Bowl to be considered a 1st rnd talent. Same goes with Brian Cushing.
    Robert Ayers played well last night and I was just wondering what you guys on the board think of him? Also I regret putting Alex Mack as my 1st rnd pick after watching him get manhandled all night, but he wasn't the only one on that line. Who impressed you guys if you happend to watch the game?

    http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/2009/01/nfp-mock-draft-updated/

     
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    I hope we can get Malaluga. Just think about it. Where would you run the ball at Seymour, AD,Malaluga or Warren,Vrable, Mayo Or maybe straight at Wilfork,Mayo,Malaluga
    I thought Chung, Malaluga,Alphonso Smith and Robert Ayers all made a cases for himselves at the SR Bowl. Still maybe Guyton works out for us at ILB and we target Chung or safety/LB hybird. I just don't see James Sanders in enough piles in the secondary or up in run support.
     
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    i like the maluga idea as well although he wont be around unless we get a higher pic .... ZB i didnt directyly say dom johnson was amouga bet i meant in relative size they are about the same ... dom is a little small in wieght but he seemed to cover well .... if you think we should take alphonso then i would just say are dbs are fine he is a double of wheatly sam size same speed and will get picked in the same round thats all we need a big corner who we can bring in for goal line or to cover bigger recievers who hobbs cant even touch thats all. Sean Smith From Utah or Dom. Johnson is who we need in are secondary not three eliss hobbs who get burnt keep in mind ... alphonso was going up agiasnt collgege players not pro .. wide outs .... alphonso is just to small and i would be very suprised if we picked him if is around really late then ok take him 3rd round wich is not likely .... but hey idk u did stay at Holiday Inn Express Last Night
     
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    Robert Ayers was low on the radar until the Senior Bowl practices started. He got noticed. So far, kinda reflective of Mayo last year.

    Alphonso Smith can play CB. His height really bugs me though. Hobbs has jumping ability too. Holds one of the heighest record verticle jumps in the combine. After his performance last night I wonder how far up the ladder he got moved.
     
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