Re: Dreadful Defence
posted at 11/11/2012 7:09 PM EST
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Boy were they bad today. No way to sugar coat it or spin a positive out of it. Let's hope Talib can help. Today was their worst defensive performance maybe ever.
Look at your last sentence. NE's D ALWAYS struggles with Fred Jackson. They failed today, but I still really like this Run D.
4 fumbles created an INT, some pressure and some sacks is not terrible at all, especially with 2 Safeties playing together for the first time.
The Cunningham strip sack set up some of this team's points in the 1st half.
Every QB in this league throws for 300 yards, dude. No one cares about what happens between the 20s, it's what you do inside them that matter. Last time I checked, I saw TWO big turnovers inside the 20s today while our offense has its collective thumbs up their anuses in the 4th.
I refuse to blame Spikes and Mayo on awful calls nor do I blame the ball bouncing wrong for the Pats when Spikes absolutely knocked Jackson into next week.
Wake up. Everything in this league is stacked againt the Ds.
Bwa ha ahha haha . What an idiot you are.
"Every QB throws for 300 yards"? That would be true except that it's not. In fact, Fitz has thrown for 300 yards two out of 9 times this year... both against the Patriots fully "rebuilt defense". And for the moron that keeps yapping about how giving up yards doesn't matter, it's all about points... Now you're claiming that giving up 31 points doesn't matter because they "created" four turnovers? Let me clue you in on something, chief, not every turnover is "created" by the defense. In fact, you are the one that always says that NE turnovers are Brady's fault, as opposed to being "created" by the opposing defense.
I'm just waiting for you to pronounce McCourty the best safety in the NFL for catching a ball thrown to him and that BB drafted him knowing that he would be a failed CB and he'd be moved to safety and "dominate".
As for you not blaming Mayo or Spikes.... yeah big surprise. When have you ever blamed anyone on BBs D for playing horribly? Mmmmm, never? Can we all assume you blame Brady for giving up all those rushing yards?
Maybe it would be more accurate if it said, every QB that plays the Patriots throws for 300+ yards.....
It's insubstantial if QBs throw for more league wide.
There is still a threshhold, even if it moved, of what constitutes good and bad.
We aren't (and can't) compare this defense to passing defenses from 1990.
But we can compare it to others NOW.
Unless you are willing to posit that rule changes ONLY affected New England, then it's a non point.
They are still ranked 18th in scoring which is the ultimate stat.
Bottom four in pass defense, and that plays a huge part in this.
And let's face it, their run defense is probably over rated as it is. Yes, running up the middle is tough. But Ray Rice and Spiller have shown that you can get around NEs core by attacking the edges.
How many teams have a defense that is good enough that their offense can come out and run the ball against an offense that scores over 30 points a week and plays with a lead 90% of the time?
NE probably is run less against than the average team, just because they don't really give other teams a chance to run the clock, or to really sit back and play conservative.
ZB, my only point is that BB pass defenses have always been middling. So, even if the league is pass happy due to rule changes - every team's pass defense should have worsened - but proportionately, so, the patriots pass defense ranking shouldn't have gone from 15th to 30th..., y'now? Plus, 18th in points is lower than what it has been historically. Was it that long ago the Patriots were top 10 in pts. given up? If the current patriots could get off the field on 3rd downs, stop giving up the 20+ yard receptions, and moved back to the middle of the pack in passing yardage given - would that possibly impact the number of points given up by this team?
I think we both agree the pass rush and secondary is still a problem.