DT Tommie Harris visit to Pats

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    DT Tommie Harris visit to Pats

    http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/07/31/report-pats-bringing-in-tommie-harris-for-a-visit/

    Interesting.  I wonder what is going on. 
     
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    Re: DT Tommie Harris visit to Pats

    I saw this too.  Thought the team could use a  line backer now  Gusee BB knows what he is doing. Tatupu maybe?
     
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    Re: DT Tommie Harris visit to Pats

    He seems like insurance against Haynesworth acting up or Wright getting injured again if anything. A guy that can play DT but could also swing out to DE in a one gap system (given his size). If he is signed I see him as a backup when they are in a 34 front and when they switch to their 4 DL front line he'd replace Wilfork on the line and line up next to Haynesworth.

    He was once a top line player but over the last couple years has seen a reduction in both playing time and production because of injuries among other things. If they bring him in it would be another low risk high reward player. The one thing I must say though, the more of these type of players you bring in the more risk you assume. It's good to have a couple of these guys on the roster, because they could be a huge boom and return to their high level of play, but when you start to rely on these types of players without solid, dependable, low injury risk players around them then you could be setting yourself up for some major issues if you get a string of injuries or they show why the were low cost options to begin with.
     
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    Re: DT Tommie Harris visit to Pats

    Always thought Harris was more of a 4-3 type DT?  Can he play DE?  I confess that I've only seen the Bears play a few times so I don't know his strengths.  Maybe he's a part of their sub plans when they're in the 4-3? 
     
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    Harris is more of a 43 DT but it's not a huge swing from 43 DT to a 34 DE one gap. If you pushed him to a 2 gap DE that would be something completely different
     
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    In Response to Re: DT Tommie Harris visit to Pats:
    Harris is more of a 43 DT but it's not a huge swing from 43 DT to a 34 DE one gap. If you pushed him to a 2 gap DE that would be something completely different
    Posted by PatsEng

    I don't think our ends play a one gap, do they? Weather they grab a guard or tackle, they are still responsible for both sides. They don't get mugged like our nose (center, guard, guard), but they usually don't get to just shoot a gap and leave the middle backer and outside backer exposed.  I suppose it happens sometimes, but I don't know if Tommie could play that spot.
     
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    mthurl - the last couple years we've been playing both 1 gap and 2 gap systems. Last year they used more 1 gap because of the personal. Typically you see Wilfork line up directly over center or just lightly off when he was in the NT position. He would watch both A gaps and when he saw which gap the rb was leaning to he'd move into that gap then also assist in the B gap and the other A gap. The DE's lined up under the B Gap and were only responsible for that gap but if Wilfork moved to to opposite A gap then they'd assist off the uncovered A gap. Then the OLB's would line up wide edge and assist off the C/D gaps.

    It's a very complex system to run for Wilfork and the OLB's and there is a lot of room for mistakes but it makes the DE's jobs easier since they don't have to cover 2 gaps. It's a way to manufacture a pass rush when you have DE's who can't provide pressure in a 2 gap system
     
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    If BB signs this guy and he doesn't release a DL then, unless I'm mistaken, that would be 14 DL in camp.  That strikes me as high if BB is going to play a lot of 3-4 (yes, I read yesterday's training camp recap).  I don't normally speculate on what BB will do but I'm thinking more 4-3 than just as a sub-package.  Perhaps their new base D?

     
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    In Response to Re: DT Tommie Harris visit to Pats:
    If BB signs this guy and he doesn't release a DL then, unless I'm mistaken, that would be 14 DL in camp.  That strikes me as high if BB is going to play a lot of 3-4 (yes, I read yesterday's training camp recap).  I don't normally speculate on what BB will do but I'm thinking more 4-3 than just as a sub-package.  Perhaps their new base D?
    Posted by ATJ


    We typically carry 8-10 DL during the year so 14 DL isn't very many to have in camp. Esp considering you can have almost double your roster this year.
     
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    I agree MVP. Looking over the roster he has a bunch of versatility players then can switch in and out of 43, 34, nickel and sub packages.

    Most of the DL are DT/DE hybrids that could play inside as 3 techs or outside as 5 tech guys in either 1 gap or 2 gap systems.

    The LB's are multi faceted with OLB just large enough to put their hands down but not large enough to do it consistently and most of the ILB have the speed to cover in OLB

    Their are at least 2 if not 3 S's that can come up into the box as heavy S's or light LB's

    The whole team is built around maximum flexibility to adjust game to game. Harris fits that mold as a high reward specialist as a 3 tech DT or a 1 gap DE. I'm just surprised we haven't heard Roth's named linked to the Pats in negotiations yet. He also seems the max flexible player BB also seems to go after that can play 43 DE or 34 OLB.
     
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    Re: DT Tommie Harris visit to Pats

    I agree with the above....You can't classify BB's defense into any one category. We all know this. You also CANNOT have enough D-linemen. This is according to BB. If we can get Harris on a discount then it is a beautiful consolation prize to Alby! Imagine Those 3 together?
     
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    Some people see that they were in a 34 formation 42% of the time and assume the rest of the time they were in a 43 formation but never realize that they also ran 1 man, 2 man, 5 man, and goal line fronts.

    In percentage 3 man fronts dominated the plays followed by 4 man, then 2 man, then 5 man, then goal line, then 1 man. And, actually in formation setups they only ran a pure 43 3 total times last year which was the lowest of all the formations they ran

    I think most people get confused when they hear a 4 man rush and instantly think that means a 4 man front
     
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    Re: DT Tommie Harris visit to Pats

    Call it what you want, just get players that can wreck an O line so we can pressure the QB.  Something we havn't done in a few years..
     
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    Re: DT Tommie Harris visit to Pats

    A visit doesn't necessarily mean he will sign...

     
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