Dumervil goes to the Ravens

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    The last game I drove was the Leaf/Flyer game..

     
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    Lol I didn't drive for the game..

    Although as friends have told me I did get some air time..

    Apparently I was caught on cam while the national anthem was going on..



    I wouldn't have caught that  . . . but I was wondering about the guy on the Zamboni.  They flashed to it for a second during one of the intermissions and I was thinking, "hey that could be hotblitz"

    Good game Saturday.  Must have been a fun one to work.   

     
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    Ya they were outshot 33-13 but pulled it out..

    The B's are like kryptonite to the Leafs so it was nice..

     
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    Ya they were outshot 33-13 but pulled it out..

    The B's are like kryptonite to the Leafs so it was nice..



    It was a little nerve wracking at the end when the bruins went six on five.  Nice to finally get that monkey off their back. What is that, the first win over the bruins in two, maybe three, years?

     
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    Lol ya, with a few thrashings in there to boot..

    On to the second half of a home and home now...

     
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    Ravens will be good again this year..

    Mark it down. Feel free to call me out at the end of the year if I'm wrong but this team will win 11 games at least.

     




     

    I've marked it.  lol

    FLacco lost his favorite WR and the D was gutted.  Dumervil is incredibly overrated.   Since he was shopping himself, I wouldn't be shocked if Baltimore just flipped out Ed Reed for Dumervil in terms of contract guarantees.

    Ouch. Bad offseason so far for Baltimore. 

     



    They have a better defense then us, by far! Flacco is good regardless of how much you want to hate.. 

     

    2 tight ends who are more then capable and Ozzie always knows how to draft..

    Their front 7 is vicious even with a Few unknowns...

    Canty, Spears, Ngata, Dumervil, Suggs...

    To me the loss of Ellerbe, Kruger aren't that severe as the were more a product of who they were playing with...

    Webb is a top 5 corner in the league, or so he was before he got hurt and Graham came on  last season. Smith will make a good free safety and Pollard is easlily replaced.

     



    You're going to see them cut more key players after this Dumervil move. You'll see.

     

    Canty is a 4-3 player, by the way.  Spears is nothing more than a steady starter, not an impact guy like the emerging Ellerbe.

    Webb may not project well on the outside.

    This swapping in and out of your base D doesn't work. It caught GB and NOs in recent years. It will catch Baltimore.

    To preetnd Ed Reed and Ray Lewis, down the middle, meant nothing is a preposterous premise.

    "Pollard is easily replaced".  I am pretty sure Ed Reed and Pollard just made a strong duo helping win a SB.

    To cast that off is flat out arrogance. Ds need continuity, not names on jerseys.

     

     




     D's need Continuity????  LOL! Oh, my!

     

    You better tell Bill that, next time you are spit shining his jewels.

    L@@k!!!!!! At all the different DB's alone , in the past 6 yrs.  LMAO@U

     




    Yes, he chose to rebuild his base through the draft, which is what works, especially with a flat cap.  He's got incredible continuity now. 

     

    These other teas who are victims of the market, don't.

    Some fans like McCourty, Dennard and now adding in Talib, too.  The commitment to this started in 2010, not 2007, dummy.

     




    The commitment started in 2007 and has been a human turn style since then.

    Is that the reason they over paid Arrington?  To finally achieve continuity?

    So how did the Patriots get from point A to point B? Let's take a look at a year-by-year breakdown, starting from the '08 offseason.

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    2008

    The two most notable moves in the 2008 offseason are still being felt today by the Patriots defense.

    The first was the team failing to re-sign No. 1 cornerback Asante Samuel. The Patriots have been looking for help in the secondary, specifically at cornerback, ever since. We'll see just how desperate that need would become in 2009.

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    Adding linebacker Jerod Mayo was a preemptive strike on the eventual retirement of Tedy Bruschi, which would come the following year. We saw Mayo fill a Bruschi-like role at linebacker, although he is a much better outside linebacker in the 4-3 than Bruschi was.

    The subtraction of Junior Seau gets an asterisk because he came back for the stretch run, only to leave once again following the '09 season when the Patriots were hit hard by injuries at linebacker.

    In all, the Patriots only added one player who would prove to be any value to the defense. Deltha O'Neal? Fuhgeddaboutit.

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    2009

    The year of the mass exodus, this is arguably the year Belichick knew was coming, but was probably hoping would never come.

    The Patriots took the volume approach at cornerback in 2009, after two offseasons which saw them lose their top three cornerbacks in nickel packages (Samuel, Gay, Hobbs). Out of the five cornerbacks they brought in that year, only one—Kyle Arrington—remains on the roster. Shawn Springs was a one-year addition, and was quickly jettisoned when he became upset with his role.

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    Despite all the subtractions and failed additions, this offseason wasn't a total loss. The Patriots ended up with Patrick Chung and Kyle Arrington, both of whom remain important components in the secondary, and linebacker Rob Ninkovich, who has been a valuable and underrated component of the defense for his versatility. All three are starters in the base defense.

    Leigh Bodden and Darius Butler (kinda-sorta) provided answers at cornerback, if only for a couple of years. Same could be said for linebacker Tully Banta-Cain, who gave the team 15 sacks in two years as a pass-rusher, including a team-leading 10 sacks in 2009.

    Defensive tackles Ron Brace and Myron Pryor have both flashed potential in limited time, and though Brace looks like a possible breakout candidate in 2012, Pryor has yet to make any impact felt farther than Brett Favre's chin.

     

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    2010

    Ty Warren was on the roster for one game in 2010 before he went on injured reserve with a torn tricep. Getting rid of Adalius Thomas was a locker room move as much as it was a lack-of-production move. Derrick Burgess performed well down the stretch in 2009, but couldn't make the switch to the 3-4 defense. 

    Meanwhile, the Patriots' trend of spending high draft picks on defense continued with the selection of Devin McCourty in the first round, followed by Brandon Spikes and Jermaine Cunningham in the second round.

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    We have yet to see how the picks of McCourty and Cunningham pan out; McCourty played well in 2010, but poorly last year, and is a starting cornerback once again in 2012. Cunningham is loaded with untapped pass-rushing potential that has yet to consistently show up on the football field, but it looks like he'll get a chance to make it happen this year.

    All-in-all, the haul wasn't bad. The Patriots got a starting cornerback who remains a question mark, a starting linebacker in Spikes and two talented specialist defensive linemen in Cunningham and Deaderick. Undrafted free agent Kyle Love may be one of the better additions thus far, and could be a starter in the Patriots defense after playing a significant role last year (51.2 percent of snaps, according to Pro Football Focus).

     

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    2011

    2011 was an odd year; whether it was because of the lockout or for some other reason, the Patriots didn't take nearly as many shots at the board on defense as they had in recent years through the draft. In fact, they only took one defensive player through the first five rounds and three in their nine picks total.

    The selection of Dowling raised a lot of eyebrows at the time because the Patriots had already spent so much on the position through the draft. In hindsight, the Patriots were probably aware that this was a make-or-break offseason for Butler.

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    They also knew that pass coverage needed improvement, with the pass defense having been victimized at times in 2010 and showing the inability to cover even the shortest of patterns in their playoff loss to the Jets.

    In all, the 2011 additions played their part (minus Haynesworth, Carter and Ellis) but the loss of so many players in the secondary was a key talking point as the Patriots gave up big yards week after week and finished 31st in the league in total pass defense. 

     

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    2012

    The Patriots lost their two dynamic pass-rushers, Mark Anderson and Andre Carter, less than seven months after acquiring the two via free agency. The loss of linebacker Gary Guyton is noteworthy if only because the Patriots had been developing him unsuccessfully, and have yet to replace his role as a cover linebacker.

    The Patriots responded to losing their best pass-rushers by adding one of the better pass-rushers in this year's crop in the draft: Chandler Jones. Linebacker Dont'a Hightower is yet another of those movable pieces at the second level that the Patriots love. He is a similar player to Spikes, but offers more athleticism.

    The addition of Tavon Wilson is clearly a response to the faster, more athletic breed of tight ends that have taken over the NFL.

    Overall, the number of subtractions up against the number of additions, as well as the astonishing youth on defense which makes this the youngest unit in the league, has many thinking this is the capstone year in the rebuild.

     

    Conclusion

    In summary, here are the major noteworthy losses and their corresponding additions in today's defense. This is not done for the sake of comparison (see: Jones listed next to Seymour), but more for a point of reference to how the Patriots have plugged the holes.

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    The only spot where the Patriots haven't had to make a move is at nose tackle, where Wilfork remains.

    Whether the moves are "upgrades" or "downgrades" relative to the dynasty defense of '01-'04 will play itself out in time, but it is clear that the Patriots have turned over nearly every spot on the defensive roster. The rebuild is complete.

    So after all this, what have we learned?

    That Bill Belichick turned in his veteran defense for a shiny new unit. In fact, Greg Bedard of The Boston Globe points out that this is the youngest defense the Patriots have fielded under Belichick.

    The fact that this process has been five years in the making may have left Patriots fans pulling their hair out over some bad defenses in year's past, but the bright side to that is that because it began back in 2008, the Patriots have developed new veteran leadership in Wilfork, Mayo and ****Chung**** specifically.

    Sports work in cycles. When we first met Tom Brady, he was being aided to Super Bowls by a New England Patriots defense among the stingiest in the NFL.

    When we last saw Brady—in the 2011 season—the Patriots made it to the Super Bowl in spite of their defense, not because of it.

    If the defense is finished, the two could finally balance each other out.

       

     

     
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    pezz4pats, truthfully that article sugar coats quite a few things, for instance it doesn't really mention in a sumarative form busts like Fennene, Haynesworth, Gregory, Bodden or the trade and failure of Burgess. Nor does it mention how much of a bust Chung in fact turned into, or the fact that our defense appeared to be doomed once again until we traded for one of the biggest thugs in the NFL Talib.

    A good post nonetheless. Some real head scratching moves brought to light once again in this "rebuilding of the defense" thing that has been going on for five years.

     
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    pezz4pats, truthfully that article sugar coats quite a few things, for instance it doesn't really mention in a sumarative form busts like Fennene, Haynesworth, Gregory, Bodden or the trade and failure of Burgess. Nor does it mention how much of a bust Chung in fact turned into, or the fact that our defense appeared to be doomed once again until we traded for one of the biggest thugs in the NFL Talib.

    A good post nonetheless. Some real head scratching moves brought to light once again in this "rebuilding of the defense" thing that has been going on for five years.




    Ya, it doesn't nearly begin to mention all the busts (value depth) players who made their way in and out rather quickly.  Those were basically the great core players.  LOL

    It was written before the Fannene signing and the falling out of grace by chung and others, but does a good job of stating where the famous "rebuild on the fly", began.

    I had to delete a lot of adds and comments and pics and inadvertently deleted the author and date.

    By Erik Frenz (AFC East Lead Writer) on September 11, 2012  
     
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    Ravens strength was their emotion on defense and their willingness to take chances on offense.

    This really served them well in the playoffs. 


    Think they will be a better regular season team next year but a much worse playoff team.

     
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    Another in a long line of pass rushers we don't get.  Thank God we have Dink and Arrington.  Maybe we'll get that really old guy.  Then again I'm sure Denver will scoop him up.  I'm glad we haven't touched that extra $15 mill at least we won't get caught in salary cap hell.

     
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    Kind of funny that Baltimore ends up improving their defense after all the predictions of doom.  They will have a better defense next year.

    Patriots slept on this one. 

     
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