I read the PFT post and the article. Robert Kraft said that he AND the organization were duped. IMO, it was to cover his ___ for not knowing or possibly turning a blind eye to Hernandez' aberrant behavior. I don't blame the pats for their Hernandez decision. They've got a business to run, but imo, they are trying to dupe us with their own duped comments. Own up.
RESPONSE: Here we go again! Own up to what?? Once again, you are laying blame at the feet of Bob Kraft, BB, and the Patriot Way for the Aaron Hernandez mess.
Here's the potential scenarios I see.
1) as reported it could be a problem with their security office.
RESPONSE: So...BB, Kraft, and the Pats are to blame for not having an adequate security office...right?
2) it may not be a problem with the security office but the pats have a business to run. I would never assume that they could have suspected that Hernandez would kill anyone but they should know their players and the lives they lead. This is a billion dollar + business and it's primary assets and revenue generators are its players. This also is as public a company as there is. When the team chooses to invest $40 million in a specific asset, I assume they dig a little more into the individual. If they didn't that is on the pats, and they cannot claim to be duped.
RESPONSE: So the Patriots, even if they didn't know, should have known...right?
3) it is possible that the pats knew sordid things about Hernandez yet chose to take the chance anyway. It's naive to think all players on any team are clean or lead clean lives. Further, Hernandez hadn't been in any specific legal trouble whether or not he could have been. Hernandez was a terrific football player with unique skill sets. If the pats didn't re-sign him, someone else would have- quickly - and taken their own chances.
RESPONSE: So, BB and Kraft supposedly knew sordid things about Hernandez, yet chose to turn a blind eye to these things because AH was a productive player...right?
4) I am more than willing to believe that the pats were put in an incredibly difficult position regarding their contract decision on Hernandez. I am even willing to accept that they may have made the right decision at the time with the extension. Winning trumps the "patriot way". What I am not willing to accept is Kraft's words that they were duped.
RESPONSE: By "winning trumps the Patriot Way", you are once more stating that the Pats turn a blind eye to the sordid things that they supposedly knew. You conclude by raging that Kraft was not "dupped" by AH, because he and BB actually knew about some of the sordid things that AH was involved with, but chose to keep AH anyway.
By now, we here realize that, from time to time, you'll say things here that you think are popular with most posters, in order to try to gain some badly needed points in the credibility department. One such occasion occurred two months ago, when you started a thread entitled "Sorry to Pats Fans", in which, after you initially acknowledged that Bob Kraft and BB were blameless for the AH situation, you then proceeded to savagely attack the Patriot Way, announcing it to be dead...and blamed BB, Kraft, and the Patriot Way by implication for the Hernandez situation. And now, you're continuing on the same path, based on this Ron Borges/Rolling Stone article. Want proof?
1.) Here is your initial post, to start that thread: (dated 6/26/13, at 9:18 p.m.)
"I know that I occassionally play devil's advocate, and I may have some "feelings", especially after this incident, about the "patriot way".
But as fans - you didn't deserve this. The team, frankly, didn't deserve this. Regardless of BB's penchant for seeking "value" in talented players with less than stellar character, he didn't deserve this. Bob Kraft didn't deserve this.
I am not looking to gain any different treatment of y'all from these comments. Treat me no differently. I just wanted you to know that from an outsider, looking in, this is some bs that you didn't deserve."
2.) RESPONSE: How nice, and sweet. But then the venom started to spew from you, with this post (dated 6/27/13, 9:51 a.m.):
"...criticizing play is different than having to deal with a murderer you once supported. What this does is put to rest the "Patriot Way". Earlier I suggested the slogan was media driven, but Hernandez's own comments about the Patriot Way told me that the language if not the mentality manifested itself within the team."
3.) You then continued in a subsequent post (dated 6/27/13, at 3:02 p.m.):
The only way that Hernandez becomes a topic in the future - at least as I see it today - is how it relates to the "patriot way"."
If "The Patriot Way" had nothing to do with the AH situation, than why would A.H.'s situation "relate" to the Patriot Way?
4.) Next, you posted the following: (dated 6/27/13, at 3:42 p.m.):
"I think it (the Patriot Way) is a mirage - like a political slogan. It may have once been about something when the Pats had legendary defenses and seemingly clean guys...there's no denying that the Pats started using the mantra as a way to suggest that they could overcome the known questionable characters that they drafted or brought in.
Dog(ggggg), the implication is clear...if there were no "Patriot Way", there would have been no Aaron Hernandez situation to deal with.
There is no way for a team to fully control their players, but the team used it to promote themselves as something different. Players embraced the slogan if not the ideal. Who knows if Hernandez can actually be linked to this other double murder, but if he can, those killings occurred a week before he was given his extension and actually made a statement about "the patriot way". What statement is that, Dog(ggggg)?
I don't begrudge Belichick for trying to gain an advantage by acquiring, at a cheaper cost, players with known warts, but then give up the mantra, because it seems to be backfiring.
Dog(gggggg), the Patriot Way is backfiring?? How so? I thought that it had nothing to do with the AH situation?
4.) Next, on 6/27/13, at 11:26 p.m., you stated:
"...what may have been the patriot way - related to team and doing your job and whatever else - did morph into some kind of morality thing. Whether it was Kraft related or Pioli or someone else that helped the media fuel the perspective, that's what it morphed into. No one within the pats organization disputed it either. Further, people like Hernandez used the moniker to discuss the change to their life - which in reality was a lie. Pats fans can choose to believe that this idea(l) never became more than something only football related, but in reality some in the organization and the media made it more and there was no one out there denying the embellished idea(l).
Dog(ggggg)...so Kraft, Pioli, or "someone else" within the Pats organization is to blame for the Patriot Way...and, since it backfired, BB, Kraft, and the Patriot Way share blame for Hernandez mess. Right, Dog(ggggg)?
5.) Then, on 6/28/13, at 10:50 a.m., you stated the following:
"...Belichick...understood the chance he was taking with Hernandez...I don't think anybody could have or would have foreseen such a situation. Regardless, the situation has happened and it has happened with one of the guys who had known issues; One of the guys who actually used the term "patriot way" in describing to the public the changing of "his ways" - which was a lie.
I thought that BB wasn't to blame for the AH situation, Dog(ggggg)??
6.) You then added, on 6/29/13, at 7:13 a.m.:
"...Here's the thing. Belichick never pushes the morality play...when he brings players into the fold - if they were wayward - they "sat up and flew straight". And this was the Patriot Way of "rehabbing" the bad player images. Leave the dirty work to BB...players shut up and toe the line. Others started pushing that it was more than that. fans, media, the players themselves, Kraft. Great promotional stuff. I'd bet shirts were even made up at some point. I don't begrudge the idea, but as evidenced by Hernandez, its hard if not impossible to "change" everyone...The pats seemed to think their system was above that.
So, according to you, because Kraft and BB thought that their system was better than everyone elses, that they could continue to afford to bring in bad boys like Hernandez, right, Dog(gggggg)? In other words, the arrogance of the Patriots as demonstated in the concept of "The Patriot Way" was responsible for the AH situation, right, Dog(gggggg)? And because Kraft and BB pushed the concept, and knew about some of the sordid activities that AH was involved in, but chse to turn a blind eye...they are at least partly responsible. too. Right, Dog(gggggg)? After all, according to you, the Patriot Way concept "backfired, as you so stated above.
Once again, by your own words, I've demonstrated that you are quite disingenuous, and couldn't tell the truth if your life depended on it. This is the reason why you have no credibility on this forum.
Babe Parilli had you pegged from the get go regarding this insincere apology thread that you started when he posted to you on your "Apology" thread, on 6/27/13, at 10:10 a.m., the following:
"Same old troll with an agenda. I was quite sure you had your usual ulterior motive. Your jealousy of the Pats is disgusting. You really just plain suck. The Patriot Way is alive and well troll. He (AH) got involved in dastardly things and he got booted. Chalk one up for the good guys - AGAIN.
Shortly thereafter, Babe added the following:
"the troll is just playing you all. He's about as sincere as the snake was in Eden".
Can't wait to see you try to slither your way out of this one, Doggie-doo.