Eagles @ Pats Postgame Analysis

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    Hi Tex,
    I thought they did very well against that first team. The Eagles have some serious talant on that team (just ask them) and to go into the half tied with two red zone turnovers leading to scores speaks volumes.
    The Pats first team dismantles the Eagles IMO and as I said on another post I'd be very concerned if I were an Eagle fan. The Eagles look extremely athletic but poorly coached. They had a lot of senseless penalties that sustained Pats drives and if this were the Pats first team it's game over.
    I also think Cunningham did some damage, Vick looked just like last year when he tried to punch it in the end zone and got a slam sandwich. I'd be surprised if he's practicing.


     
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    Couple things Pat.

    Agree on mallet but pocket awareness and comfortableness comes with experience. He has the arm and made some tight throws. The td pass was in the perfect place with zip.

    You seem to give a pass to Hoyer by saying he played with scrubs. Disagree, he had branch(77of78 snaps) and Stalworth with our starting RB Ridley in the 2nd half going against Eagles scrubs and literally did nothing(5-17) I think 3 straight 3 n outs to close it!

    Mallet />Hoyer imo.

    O-line is a very young inexperienced unit and they did some things well. I didn't mind the missed assignments of Cannon and Solder as much as I did that our top 3 RBs had like 25 carries for 55 yards or something.

    To be honest i thought Bolden was the only one with any real power as Ridley was dominated at the end by a 3rd string D-line and Vareen seems to be more of run in space guy. I don't see how Bolden doesn't make this team. if Ridley goes down we virtually have nobody to run between the tackles.

    I cannot wait to see the Big Three at LB. Hightower and Spikes were hitting hard and Hightower was wrapping up in the limited action they saw. RB's will have a tough time against this front 7. And TE's and receiving backs will be challenged by Mayo and Hightower!
     
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    Tough game to try and analyze...every time you looked there were different guys in there for both teams. I thought the entire offensive line was poor - the tackles may of got the most notice, but the inside was just as terrible. I thought Vareen did pretty well with the space he got, but I'm not sure this guy is anything but a 3rd down type of back. I thought Silvestri looked surprisingly good on his two receptions - at least a lot better than some of the 4th-5th round picks we used to use on the position in years past (excluding Hernandez).

    The thing I just can't get out of my head is how big Chandler Jones is - I mean his hands look like they have tennis rackets attached to them. Did anyone else notice what those things looked like with that white tape he had on them? My god, I hope he doesn't break them. Bequette looked decent on one play and was handled with one blocker on the others. Scott looks huge to me as well - just a lot bigger than the edge guys we've had in years past. It's nice to see Spikes out there, because it just becomes a much more physical defense when he is.
     
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    The biggest post game fact to know is the igles needed TWO red zone turn overs for their starters to out score our back ups.....Now that is pathetic...no matter how badly you pick on the Pats performance. Analyze that...

     
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    Couple things Pat. Agree on mallet but pocket awareness and comfortableness comes with experience. He has the arm and made some tight throws. The td pass was in the perfect place with zip.

    RESPONSE: This is true to a degree. But, Mallett is now in his second year with the Patriots. He's also had plenty of experience playing in a pro-style offense, in the rugged SEC. Better protection from his OL will likely be or more benefit to him, than further experience. 

    Better protection will help anybody, but last year with the lock out QB's had the most to lose in terms of understanding the NFL. Mallet just admitted as much saying he was completely lost last year. Experience is his best friend at this point.

    You seem to give a pass to Hoyer by saying he played with scrubs. Disagree, he had branch(77of78 snaps) and Stalworth with our starting RB Ridley in the 2nd half going against Eagles scrubs and literally did nothing(5-17) I think 3 straight 3 n outs to close it! Mallet />Hoyer imo.

    RESPONSE: Insufficient sample size to make this call. I still feel more comfortable with Hoyer running the offense.

    O-line is a very young inexperienced unit and they did some things well.

    RESPONSE: What were those? I thought that the OL had an bad night. OTs Cannon, in particular, and Solder were awful.

    Mcdonald, Wendell and Connoly all looked very capable of pulling and lead blocking in the screen game, which many of us are speculating will be an important part of our offense again(as it was in the dynasty era). Also as bad as they looked they only gave up 2 sacks to mostly eagles starters and 2nd stringers. Imagine of we had a "Jets " like performance and gave up 5 or 6 sacks? I can't imagine what would be said!

    I didn't mind the missed assignments of Cannon and Solder as much as I did that our top 3 RBs had like 25 carries for 55 yards or something.

    RESPONSE: What missed assignments? I saw missed blocks...where the Pats' OTs were beaten both by speed, and bull-rushes...in which they were knocked back. One such missed block by either Cannon or Solder could end Tom Brady's season. As for the RBs gaining just 55 yards on 25 carries, I didn't see the OL providing them with any running room. Too many times, the Pats' RBs were hit behind the line of scrimmage.

    Off the top of my head the Solder play where he didn't even look at the edge rusher who had a wide open lane to the QB = missed assignment.

    I agree the holes were not there for our RB's but again this is a brand new line with depth players playing with limited experienced players like Solder, and Cannon for the 1st time. No cohesion to this unit, very little experience.


    To be honest i thought Bolden was the only one with any real power as Ridley was dominated at the end by a 3rd string D-line and Vareen seems to be more of run in space guy. I don't see how Bolden doesn't make this team. if Ridley goes down we virtually have nobody to run between the tackles.

    RESPONSE: Bolden didn't get to show any power last night...as he was constantly being hit behind the line of scrimmage. I was very surprised to see BB put him in as a punt returner. I don't believe that he ever returned punts in college. Though I understand that BB loves versatile players, it seemed to me that putting Bolden back there placed him in a position to fail...which he did.
    You can line up Jim Brown or Emmitt Smith the backfield. If they are being constantly hit in the backfield, they'll gain nothing.

    Disagree, Bolden showed plenty of power despite the poor ypc. He ran over defenders twice for 1st downs in obvious run formations(meaning we all knew it was a run but they still couldn't stop him) and he also cleaned a guys clock on ST's. This guy has power and looks like he has a mean streak to him.

    I cannot wait to see the Big Three at LB. Hightower and Spikes were hitting hard and Hightower was wrapping up in the limited action they saw. RB's will have a tough time against this front 7.

    RESPONSE: Agreed. I'm excited about the Pats' front seven. But, that secondary and OL...

    And TE's and receiving backs will be challenged by Mayo and Hightower!

    RESPONSE: There's going to be a lot more punishment meted out to RBs and TEs crossing the middle this year, against the Pats' front seven.
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    Many many Cornerbacks get beat by Jackson, I just watch the 1st half and Moore did not do a bad job. No pass rush, except one time. Have to go to work will watch 2nd half tomorrow. As far as 1st half, Mallet didn't strike me as clear favorite over Hoyer, in fact Hoyer completed longer and better passes, not great either. Mallet was helped by many penalties, on his drive, for TD.
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    Wait, till you see Hoyer in the 2nd half. It hurt to watch.
     
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    That was a hellacious pass rush.  I give Mallet high marks for not just ducking.  I thought he looked uncomfortable, but got into it after the first series, and looked good after.  Hoyer looked out of place, you mention he was in with the scrubs but he was also in AGAINST the scrubs.  Didn't look too good to me.  Guessing he has a bus ticket already bought.  Branch showed why we should keep him, and I think with a vertical threat on the field he will put up some good numbers opposite.   
     
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    TexPat, thanks for the analysis. I am in Africa so I dont get to watch the game and count on your analysis!
     
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    TP: I watched the game too and did not see what you saw with Hoyer / Mallett.

    To me, Mallett looked better poised in the crumbling pocket than Hoyer.

    agree on the the O-line - that was abysmal.
     
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    I agree the Rb's were hit behind the lione too often. Connoly and McDonal are probably too lite to be paving the way for a power run game. mankins and Waters not so much. I wonder if BB was doing that to see what they were made of. I mean we ran almost all of our runs up the middle or off guard.

    Check the game again with Boldens runs. he lays the lumber a few times!!!
     
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    I just would like to see this OL with all our regular starters in. Missing Vollmer, Mankins, & Waters is a huge factor in the performance right now. This OL is just a patchwork of guys. Solder needs work on technique for sure. He has the pyshical tools, but he needs to get those long arms out in front of him quicker. Not sold on Cannon yet....he just doesn't look quick enough to get set. Unsure if this is teachable...

    Bottom line is that although there is a concern for this OL....we maybe should hold off judgement until our regulars are in there. I'm praying that those 3 missing pieces are in place for Sept 9th. Until then, trying not to panic just yet.
     
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    I just would like to see this OL with all our regular starters in. Missing Vollmer, Mankins, & Waters is a huge factor in the performance right now. This OL is just a patchwork of guys. Solder needs work on technique for sure. He has the pyshical tools, but he needs to get those long arms out in front of him quicker. Not sold on Cannon yet....he just doesn't look quick enough to get set. Unsure if this is teachable... Bottom line is that although there is a concern for this OL....we maybe should hold off judgement until our regulars are in there. I'm praying that those 3 missing pieces are in place for Sept 9th. Until then, trying not to panic just yet.
    Posted by tanbass


         Getting Vollmer back at 100% would cure all ills. But, unfortunately, that's a big "if". You're right about Cannon...you can't teach quick feet and athleticism. He's best suited to play RG.  
     
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