Edelman is clutch and Edelman > Welker

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    Ok, so Edelman has outperformed Wes in what 2 games this year versus Wes outperforming Edelman in 9? Yup Edelman proved he's much better! Ha. Edelman is lucky the punt he fumbled bounced right back to him...

     



    Don't post actual facts for RallyC, he doesn't know what to do with those.

    Last I checked... these were the facts

    Receiving stats:

    Targets: Welker 95, Edelman 89

    Receptions: Welker 65, Edelman 61

    TD's

    Welker 5th with 9

    Edelman 34th with 4

    Yards

    Welker 26th with 679

    Edelman 33rd with 610

    YAC

    Welker 22nd with 302

    Edelman 38th with 251

    The BIGGIE... 1st Downs

    Welker 10th with 42 = 65% of receptions are for 1st downs

    Edelman 42nd with 28 = 46% of receptions are for 1st downs

    The simple version: DYAR means a wide receiver with more total value. DVOA means a wide receiver with more value per play.

    Welker DYAR = 181 Rank 16th, DVOA = 11.1% Rank 24th

    Edelman DYAR = 53 Rank 51st, DVOA = -5.0% Rank 55th

     

    It's undeniable.... The Patriots would be a better team with Welker here. 

    I don't get why a few people need to start threads to try and disprove any of this.  Instead of getting on me for stating this fact time and again when these silly threads are created, why not get on those people who are trying to save face from all the ridiculous Amendola better then Welker threads earlier in the season. That's what this is all about anyways.  Their ego has been hurt and now are turning to Edelman to help support their previous claims that they were wrong about with Amendola because he has done NOTHING!



    The Pats wouldn't be a better team if Wes was still here. It would still be"shut down Welker and you shut down the Pats" if he were still here. On, top of that he wouldn't have as many TD's, as the first or second option here, as he does as the third option in Denver! You can throw all the stats out there you want but they are still just lies!

     
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    The Pats wouldn't be a better team if Wes was still here. It would still be"shut down Welker and you shut down the Pats" if he were still here. On, top of that he wouldn't have as many TD's, as the first or second option here, as he does as the third option in Denver! You can throw all the stats out there you want but they are still just lies!



    Shut down Welker and you shut down the Pats doesn't really seem reasonable considering Gronkowski is such a beast.

    Of course they'd be better.  Tom Brady is making a failed quarterback turned kick returner into an All Pro.  Imagine if the position was held by an All Pro!

     
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    The Pats wouldn't be a better team if Wes was still here. It would still be"shut down Welker and you shut down the Pats" if he were still here. On, top of that he wouldn't have as many TD's, as the first or second option here, as he does as the third option in Denver! You can throw all the stats out there you want but they are still just lies!



    Shut down Welker and you shut down the Pats doesn't really seem reasonable considering Gronkowski is such a beast.

    Of course they'd be better.  Tom Brady is making a failed quarterback turned kick returner into an All Pro.  Imagine if the position was held by an All Pro!



    Imagine if Brady had all-pro caliber WR corps every season during his career instead of these "development projects"? 

     
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    The Pats wouldn't be a better team if Wes was still here. It would still be"shut down Welker and you shut down the Pats" if he were still here. On, top of that he wouldn't have as many TD's, as the first or second option here, as he does as the third option in Denver! You can throw all the stats out there you want but they are still just lies!



    Seriously, are you like 7?  You seem to not know very much about football, I hope it is because you are young, like 7.

    The Pats wouldn't be a better team if Wes was still here? Are you kidding me?

     
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    Imagine if Brady had all-pro caliber WR corps every season during his career instead of these "development projects"? 



    He did once and they went 16-0.

     

     
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    Imagine if Brady had all-pro caliber WR corps every season during his career instead of these "development projects"? 



    He did once and they went 16-0.

     




    Bwahahaha.

     
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    Lets let Edelman actually play a FULL season before we make the statement...he hasnt made one yet injury free

     
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    The Pats wouldn't be a better team if Wes was still here. It would still be"shut down Welker and you shut down the Pats" if he were still here. On, top of that he wouldn't have as many TD's, as the first or second option here, as he does as the third option in Denver! You can throw all the stats out there you want but they are still just lies!



    Shut down Welker and you shut down the Pats doesn't really seem reasonable considering Gronkowski is such a beast.

    Of course they'd be better.  Tom Brady is making a failed quarterback turned kick returner into an All Pro.  Imagine if the position was held by an All Pro!



    Imagine if Brady had all-pro caliber WR corps every season during his career instead of these "development projects"? 



    If the Pats had all-pro caliber receivers every year, they would be the Colts!

     
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    The Pats wouldn't be a better team if Wes was still here. It would still be"shut down Welker and you shut down the Pats" if he were still here. On, top of that he wouldn't have as many TD's, as the first or second option here, as he does as the third option in Denver! You can throw all the stats out there you want but they are still just lies!



    Shut down Welker and you shut down the Pats doesn't really seem reasonable considering Gronkowski is such a beast.

    Of course they'd be better.  Tom Brady is making a failed quarterback turned kick returner into an All Pro.  Imagine if the position was held by an All Pro!



    Since Welker got here, every playoff game the Pats have lost is because the other team clogged the middle and took away Welker. The Jets did it, the Ravens did it twice and the Giants did it twice. So it looks pretty reasonable to me!

     
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    Since Welker got here, every playoff game the Pats have lost is because the other team clogged the middle and took away Welker. The Jets did it, the Ravens did it twice and the Giants did it twice. So it looks pretty reasonable to me!




    You might want to leave this discussion for the big boys. 

    Hey Rally, your buddy is here trying to talk football and is making about as much sense as you do. You two might want to go in together on that football for dummies book.

    Bwahahahahaha!

     
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    The Pats wouldn't be a better team if Wes was still here. It would still be"shut down Welker and you shut down the Pats" if he were still here. On, top of that he wouldn't have as many TD's, as the first or second option here, as he does as the third option in Denver! You can throw all the stats out there you want but they are still just lies!



    Shut down Welker and you shut down the Pats doesn't really seem reasonable considering Gronkowski is such a beast.

    Of course they'd be better.  Tom Brady is making a failed quarterback turned kick returner into an All Pro.  Imagine if the position was held by an All Pro!



    Imagine if Brady had all-pro caliber WR corps every season during his career instead of these "development projects"? 



    If the Pats had all-pro caliber receivers every year, they would be the Colts!




    You might want to leave this discussion for the big boys. 

    Hey Rally, your buddy is here trying to talk football and is making about as much sense as you do. You two might want to go in together on that football for dummies book.

    Bwahahahahaha!

     
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    The Pats wouldn't be a better team if Wes was still here. It would still be"shut down Welker and you shut down the Pats" if he were still here. On, top of that he wouldn't have as many TD's, as the first or second option here, as he does as the third option in Denver! You can throw all the stats out there you want but they are still just lies!



    Shut down Welker and you shut down the Pats doesn't really seem reasonable considering Gronkowski is such a beast.

    Of course they'd be better.  Tom Brady is making a failed quarterback turned kick returner into an All Pro.  Imagine if the position was held by an All Pro!



    Since Welker got here, every playoff game the Pats have lost is because the other team clogged the middle and took away Welker. The Jets did it, the Ravens did it twice and the Giants did it twice. So it looks pretty reasonable to me!



    The fact that any team that could beat our offensive line and a rb with a four man front had nothing to do with it? The coaching staff having a number of brain farts. The Qb under constant pressure throwing picks, or the D that couldn't get one turn over or a three and out once had nothing to do with it? 

     
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    The Pats wouldn't be a better team if Wes was still here. It would still be"shut down Welker and you shut down the Pats" if he were still here. On, top of that he wouldn't have as many TD's, as the first or second option here, as he does as the third option in Denver! You can throw all the stats out there you want but they are still just lies!



    Shut down Welker and you shut down the Pats doesn't really seem reasonable considering Gronkowski is such a beast.

    Of course they'd be better.  Tom Brady is making a failed quarterback turned kick returner into an All Pro.  Imagine if the position was held by an All Pro!



    Imagine if Brady had all-pro caliber WR corps every season during his career instead of these "development projects"? 



    If the Pats had all-pro caliber receivers every year, they would be the Colts!




    So you're saying Brady and Manning are equally clutch, right?

     
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    Re: Edelman is clutch and Edelman > Welker

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    The Pats wouldn't be a better team if Wes was still here. It would still be"shut down Welker and you shut down the Pats" if he were still here. On, top of that he wouldn't have as many TD's, as the first or second option here, as he does as the third option in Denver! You can throw all the stats out there you want but they are still just lies!



    Shut down Welker and you shut down the Pats doesn't really seem reasonable considering Gronkowski is such a beast.

    Of course they'd be better.  Tom Brady is making a failed quarterback turned kick returner into an All Pro.  Imagine if the position was held by an All Pro!



    Since Welker got here, every playoff game the Pats have lost is because the other team clogged the middle and took away Welker. The Jets did it, the Ravens did it twice and the Giants did it twice. So it looks pretty reasonable to me!




    You are saying that was the one and only factor that decided those losses?

     
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    The Pats wouldn't be a better team if Wes was still here. It would still be"shut down Welker and you shut down the Pats" if he were still here. On, top of that he wouldn't have as many TD's, as the first or second option here, as he does as the third option in Denver! You can throw all the stats out there you want but they are still just lies!



    Shut down Welker and you shut down the Pats doesn't really seem reasonable considering Gronkowski is such a beast.

    Of course they'd be better.  Tom Brady is making a failed quarterback turned kick returner into an All Pro.  Imagine if the position was held by an All Pro!



    Since Welker got here, every playoff game the Pats have lost is because the other team clogged the middle and took away Welker. The Jets did it, the Ravens did it twice and the Giants did it twice. So it looks pretty reasonable to me!




    You are saying that was the one and only factor that decided those losses?



    Gronk being injured... what else. Have to love the revisionist history.

     
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    The Pats wouldn't be a better team if Wes was still here. It would still be"shut down Welker and you shut down the Pats" if he were still here. On, top of that he wouldn't have as many TD's, as the first or second option here, as he does as the third option in Denver! You can throw all the stats out there you want but they are still just lies!



    Shut down Welker and you shut down the Pats doesn't really seem reasonable considering Gronkowski is such a beast.

    Of course they'd be better.  Tom Brady is making a failed quarterback turned kick returner into an All Pro.  Imagine if the position was held by an All Pro!



    Since Welker got here, every playoff game the Pats have lost is because the other team clogged the middle and took away Welker. The Jets did it, the Ravens did it twice and the Giants did it twice. So it looks pretty reasonable to me!




    You are saying that was the one and only factor that decided those losses?



    Gronk being injured... what else. Have to love the revisionist history.




    That's why I asked for clarification. Saying them shutting down Welker is the number one unquestioned reason for all those losses, is way out in left field.

     

     
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    That's why I asked for clarification. Saying them shutting down Welker is the number one unquestioned reason for all those losses, is way out in left field.

     

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    It is the new Rusty logic that is permeating the board, white wash everthing till it fist your agenda/ point of view.

     

    Honestly it is not that fact that BB walked from Welker, because I think in the end it was to much of a risk to let Welker go out on the open market so the Pats got DA.

    But this constant blasting of Welker and whitewashing everything is BS.  Why would BB have give Welker offers up till the point they got DA. Just the year before they gave him a multi-year offer. 

    The business side didn't work out, it does mean that Welker all of a sudden was this horrible player that BB got rid of...

     

     
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    Re: Edelman is clutch and Edelman > Welker

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    It was a slow afternoon at work today so I did a little research and scribbled some numbers down so I could share with you guys tonight.

    Receiving stats:

    Targets: Welker 95, Edelman 89

    Receptions: Welker 65, Edelman 61

    TD's

    Welker 5th with 9

    Edelman 34th with 4

    Yards

    Welker 26th with 679

    Edelman 33rd with 610

    YAC

    Welker 22nd with 302

    Edelman 38th with 251

    The BIGGIE... 1st Downs

    Welker 10th with 42 = 65% of receptions are for 1st downs

    Edelman 42nd with 28 = 46% of receptions are for 1st downs

    HOW IS THAT FOR CLUTCH!

     

    I love this one...

    Wide receivers are ranked according to DYAR, or Defense-adjusted Yards Above Replacement. This gives the value of the performance on plays where this WR caught the ball, compared to replacement level, adjusted for situation and opponent and then translated into yardage

    The other statistic given is DVOA, or Defense-adjusted Value Over Average. This number represents value, per play, over an average WR in the same game situations. The more positive the DVOA rating, the better the player's performance.

    The simple version: DYAR means a wide receiver with more total value. DVOA means a wide receiver with more value per play.

    Welker DYAR = 181 Rank 16th, DVOA = 11.1% Rank 24th

    Edelman DYAR = 53 Rank 51st, DVOA = -5.0% Rank 55th

     

    Hmmm???  Might want to rethink your claims here guys.

     

    I don't think Edelman is clutch but one thing is for sure he didn't drop the ball when his team needed a first down, oops that honor falls in WW's bad column, as when Peyton was driving in the OT WW dropped a sure first down ball while standing all alone. Which if I remember correctly is exactly where he was when we were in the process of winning a SB. Also Edelman wasn't supposed to replace WW, that job belonged to Amendola so the comparisons can't be made as he's missed as many games as he's played.


     
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    It was a slow afternoon at work today so I did a little research and scribbled some numbers down so I could share with you guys tonight.

    Receiving stats:

    Targets: Welker 95, Edelman 89

    Receptions: Welker 65, Edelman 61

    TD's

    Welker 5th with 9

    Edelman 34th with 4

    Yards

    Welker 26th with 679

    Edelman 33rd with 610

    YAC

    Welker 22nd with 302

    Edelman 38th with 251

    The BIGGIE... 1st Downs

    Welker 10th with 42 = 65% of receptions are for 1st downs

    Edelman 42nd with 28 = 46% of receptions are for 1st downs

    HOW IS THAT FOR CLUTCH!

     

    I love this one...

    Wide receivers are ranked according to DYAR, or Defense-adjusted Yards Above Replacement. This gives the value of the performance on plays where this WR caught the ball, compared to replacement level, adjusted for situation and opponent and then translated into yardage

    The other statistic given is DVOA, or Defense-adjusted Value Over Average. This number represents value, per play, over an average WR in the same game situations. The more positive the DVOA rating, the better the player's performance.

    The simple version: DYAR means a wide receiver with more total value. DVOA means a wide receiver with more value per play.

    Welker DYAR = 181 Rank 16th, DVOA = 11.1% Rank 24th

    Edelman DYAR = 53 Rank 51st, DVOA = -5.0% Rank 55th

     

    Hmmm???  Might want to rethink your claims here guys.

     

    I don't think Edelman is clutch but one thing is for sure he didn't drop the ball when his team needed a first down, oops that honor falls in WW's bad column, as when Peyton was driving in the OT WW dropped a sure first down ball while standing all alone. Which if I remember correctly is exactly where he was when we were in the process of winning a SB. Also Edelman wasn't supposed to replace WW, that job belonged to Amendola so the comparisons can't be made as he's missed as many games as he's played.





             Well this conversation should probably be more Edelman>Amandola, then it would a little closer to reality but the apologist would never go for that cuz it would be another bad roster move by their savior.  But as luck would have it, JE signed a cheapy.

      Thank God (not BB), as they'd really would have been screwed, if he hadn't.

     
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             Well this conversation should probably be more Edelman>Amandola, then it would a little closer to reality but the apologist would never go for that cuz it would be another bad roster move by their savior.  But as luck would have it, JE signed a cheapy.

      Thank God (not BB), as they'd really would have been screwed, if he hadn't.



    So true.  Really need Amendola to step up and earn his money.  Edelman is showing him up, who would have thought? 

    As you pointed out, the real discussion should be Edelman at $1 million is > then Amendola at $6 million.

    Both guys should have a good day vs the Texans.

     
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    That's why I asked for clarification. Saying them shutting down Welker is the number one unquestioned reason for all those losses, is way out in left field.

     



    It is the new Rusty logic that is permeating the board, white wash everthing till it fist your agenda/ point of view.

     

    Honestly it is not that fact that BB walked from Welker, because I think in the end it was to much of a risk to let Welker go out on the open market so the Pats got DA.

    But this constant blasting of Welker and whitewashing everything is BS.  Why would BB have give Welker offers up till the point they got DA. Just the year before they gave him a multi-year offer. 

    The business side didn't work out, it does mean that Welker all of a sudden was this horrible player that BB got rid of...

     

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    The Pats wouldn't be a better team if Wes was still here. It would still be"shut down Welker and you shut down the Pats" if he were still here. On, top of that he wouldn't have as many TD's, as the first or second option here, as he does as the third option in Denver! You can throw all the stats out there you want but they are still just lies!



    Shut down Welker and you shut down the Pats doesn't really seem reasonable considering Gronkowski is such a beast.

    Of course they'd be better.  Tom Brady is making a failed quarterback turned kick returner into an All Pro.  Imagine if the position was held by an All Pro!



    Since Welker got here, every playoff game the Pats have lost is because the other team clogged the middle and took away Welker. The Jets did it, the Ravens did it twice and the Giants did it twice. So it looks pretty reasonable to me!



    Yes, too much reliance , better to spread around, and no one get 100 receptions. just give me the guy that catches the ball in the clutch

     

    ZAnd if Arrington is so bad how did he shut WW down?

     
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    Re: Edelman is clutch and Edelman > Welker

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    Edelman is not better than Welker, nor more clutch, but Edelman is a Patriot and I am a Patriot fan. So I'll root for Edelman, what's your excuse?

     

     




    I'm a Patriots fan too.  And I cheer for Edelman as well as the rest of the team every game of every week all season long as well as cheering for them to win the Super Bowl every single year.  Big fan of Edelmans, he has a huge heart and will do anything asked of him to help this team win.  But make no mistake about it, he still has a long ways to go.  All the talk and all the threads about him really isn't fair to him, but when you have people continuously making threads about him being better then Welker, come on now.  We all know better then that.  I have no idea why some of these people on this forum try and push that garbage on us.  Matter of fact, I have no idea why Rusty and RallyC continue to bring it up.  If they know football they know what they are saying isn't true, don't know why they feel the need to troll the forum with it.  I guess the thrive on this type of stuff.  Homers will be homers.



    Yeah, but you've already said that you would trade every receiver on the roster for Welker. See, if the Pats lowballed Welker and made no attempt to rsign him I would be sympathetic to him. But the guy skipped town, after the Pats offered him more, to play with Patriots public enemy number 1.

    He's a snake and a traitor. Edelman and Amendola may not be having the season Welker would have had with Brady, but at least both made a decison to become Patriots. Welker, when given the option, elected to skip town.

     

    I wouldn't trade Arrington for Welker, that's how low Welker is in my eyes.



    Well, not exactly. Public enemy number one are the NYJ. But having him go to a team that could be seriously in their path to the SB is right up there. If the Ravens had landed him that might have made them very tough to deal with. He is the sort of thing they are missing having lost Bouldon (S?) and Pitta. And who knows. THey could still be tough.

     
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    Re: Edelman is clutch and Edelman > Welker

    One perspective is that had Welker been here TB and the coaches (BB and Josh M) would not have felt that they NEEDED to develop Thompkins and/or Dobson (or Boyce who has not internalized as much as the other two SO FAR). In the long run he abscence has helped in getting at least those two plus Julian nearer weapons status for the playoff. ANd there are still 5 games left to get better (and plesae, not be injured).

    It has also helped us focus on the running game more and it looks like, FUMBLES NOTWITHSTANDING please, we have 2 really good backs (Ridley and Vereen) and 2 really good guys coming off the bench and adding value not just bodies. All important coem playoffs. And if we make the SB it will be north east in February! No room for Manningesque weakness in cold and wind or NYJ huff puffery in lieu of the right stuff on the field. 

     

    Of course at this point Welker (who is going to make a run for HOF status - not committing yet one way or the other) is better than Julian. But Julian is still getting better. And all three are better deeper downfield than Welker. If Julian can get a little more consistent at finding open notches he will be as good as Welker. Their drop rate are both similarly low overall. THey both are hard to get clean shots at when they have a chance to move. But Julian is the more dangerous and a little bigger and faster as well.

    All in all Welker is the guy you would want in the playoffs right now. But If Dobson and Thompkins and Julian keep progressing we have something VERY, very special. Thompkins, IF HE can keep this trajectory of development could be another Dieon Branch in 1-2 years from late this season. And Dobson could be as good in his own way... and more dangerous so in that way not only complementary but perhaps even better. He could be the best deep ball receiver TB will ever have had except for Randy.

    I will add two things:

    1. With Gronk you need to open the rest of the field for Tom. This makes the team not only harder to shut down (on a play or a game) but makes the Pats more dangerous.

    2. Notice I have not mentioned Amendola. He has been off the field way too much for anyone's liking. But he has been very good and has shown greater versatity using more of the field than Wes. And made some catches that you would think would have been tougher for Wes. Again, this is not saying he is better but that with ALL these weapons (and the two rookies are moving into that class; where they are AT LEAST real threats and so had better be reasonably accounted for) the Pats are better.

    The first groiuping is a better team, with more versatility, less prone to being shot down by injury and harder to defend:

    A) Gronk, Julian, Amendola, Thompkins and Dobson

    B) Gronk, Julian and Wes

     

     
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    Re: Edelman is clutch and Edelman > Welker

    The Patriots would be better this year with Wes on the team. Belichick did try to sign him this year and last year at the right price.

    Because Wes is not on the team this year, might the Patriots be better off next year because of having to throw the rookies to the wolves?

     
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