Edelman = Welker

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    tfb is a phony




    Ok Rusty.  Whatever you say.  Why such a low post count, did you just remember you had this screen name?

     
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    Again, Wes Welker is so good a PATS player that he even was able to help them win while on the Bronco's roster!  In that respect, Wessie would be superior!



    LOL!

    That fact drives the TFB12, Mt Hurl, NAS types crazy. Anyone who hates BB as a Pats fan, which is very creepy, like they do,...they cannot stand what just happened. 

    The fact Arrington was so great on Welker is the capper. The fact I predicted it makes them inane.

    Tears!




    Dude, Arrington stinks and you know it.  Did you not watch the game?  I think Manning struggling and the weather had something to do with all the Broncos receivers not getting the ball.  Thank goodness TFB is better then Manning!

     
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    Welker is a choke artist who disobeys his coach's direct orders not to engage in smack talk and drops the biggest catch of his life.  Edelman consistently comes through when he's needed most.  



    Thank you, TCal.




    Dang, the team sure needed Edelman to step up vs the Bengals, Panthers and Jets when he was needed.  What Happened  there?  He was needed most there too.  Had he been there for the team during those games the Pats would probably be undefeated!  No denying that fact which pretty much puts to shame all the arguments here. 

     
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    Again, Wes Welker is so good a PATS player that he even was able to help them win while on the Bronco's roster!  In that respect, Wessie would be superior!



    LOL!

    That fact drives the TFB12, Mt Hurl, NAS types crazy. Anyone who hates BB as a Pats fan, which is very creepy, like they do,...they cannot stand what just happened. 

    The fact Arrington was so great on Welker is the capper. The fact I predicted it makes them inane.

    Tears!




    Dude, Arrington stinks and you know it.  Did you not watch the game?  I think Manning struggling and the weather had something to do with all the Broncos receivers not getting the ball.  Thank goodness TFB is better then Manning!



    Did you just say Arrington stinks in the slot?  Did you?  Did you also ask if I watched the game? Did you?

    Arrington was flying all over the field with Talib Weeks 1-3 before his groin injury. We know he's not effective on the outside. We know this.

    But, to say "Arrington stinks" in the slot like we saw on Sunday is utter lunacy.




    He doesn't always play the slot, have you not been watching??  He cost the Pats the Panthers game.  Did you not see him in the Steelers game?  I believe I read in another thread that he allowed 3 td's in that game.  I had to go back and look for myself and yep, he did. 

     
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    Re: Edelman = Welker

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    tfb is a phony




    Ok Rusty.  Whatever you say.  Why such a low post count, did you just remember you had this screen name?



    That person is not me. Like I said, many can see through you here. Your fake story of how you stumbled into our fanbase is awkward to watch and phony.




    Oh Rusty, a few low post count people here seem to have a problem with me being objective.  Look at you, everyone across the board have problems with you. You lie and BB nut sack clinging is embarrassing to all the Pats fans.

     
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    Welker is a choke artist who disobeys his coach's direct orders not to engage in smack talk and drops the biggest catch of his life.  Edelman consistently comes through when he's needed most.  



    Thank you, TCal.




    Dang, the team sure needed Edelman to step up vs the Bengals, Panthers and Jets when he was needed.  What Happened  there?  He was needed most there too.  Had he been there for the team during those games the Pats would probably be undefeated!  No denying that fact which pretty much puts to shame all the arguments here. 



    He did step up. Brady sucked with high and wild throws, not in the Panthers game. Brady was superb in that game and refs bagged the game.

    Jets also bagged the game vs the Jets. Do you watch these games?

    You seem to not understand that the way our WRs contributed with SB wins and playoff wins MEANT THAT NOT EVERY WR WOULD BE THE HERO EVERY WEEK.

    Go look at Brown, Patten, Branch and Givens numbers week to week. One or two guys would be decoys or not produce, while Brady would hit the other guys.

    Brady's favorite WR was always the open one back then. Remember Edelman and Dobson waving their arms deep, wide open vs TB this year?

    We all do, except you. It's taken Brady half a season and to get all his weapons, but he look like the old Brady again which is all I've ever wanted.

    But, it NEVER WOULD HAVE HAPPENED if BB did not walk from Welkie, which is what I told you HAD TO HAPPEN back in March.

    I win again. You lose again.

    Suggestion: learn from others who know more than you




    You are a sad and pathetic homer.  Patriots would have never been in those situations with the Jets, Panthers and Bengals if either Edelman or Amendola was able to step up.

     
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    Re: Edelman = Welker

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    I cannot say JE is better then WW...different yes, more versitile, yes, maybe less of a choke in big games, but better?..not solely as a slot receiver, but overall, kinda, yeah, given his versatility...I'm glad he's here...then again, Brady makes everyone better...and WW is now playing with another great QB.....if WW was playing with  a run -of -the -mill QB his numbers wouldn't be near what they have been.



    Out of respect to Welker, I did not say better. Welker is EXCLUSIVELY a slot WR who is only effective/productive when the QB is in the shotgun.

    The better part comes in with the varying elements to Edelman's game that promote a more dynamic skill set/less predictable player within our offense.  This is my point. His skill set is more balanced, hence it helps our offense be more balanced.

    It's kinda like a Jeep. Welker is more like a sports car, but Edelman can get over the mountain pass because he's a Jeep.

    BB knew this which is why it was so easy to take him out. It's why I knew Arrington, even with a questionable groin issue, would take him out.  Of course, as per usual, I am laughed off the board before it happens, then when it happens, everyone who mocked me, go quiet and hope I don't remind them why I was right.

    IMO, Edelman will have a better postseason this year than Welker ever had here.  He may not get the 15 targets, but we'll see a better Brady and a better flanker position than we've had in a while.

     




    Ummm Welker has more receptions, more yards, more than twice as many TD's and A HIGHER Average yard per reception.

    1. Edelman had two games with longs in the 40's ( one for 43 and one for 44) and 6 games where his long was below 19.  One game he even had a long of 7.  LOL
    2. Oh ya, he's much more diverse.  Bwahahaha



    FACT: If Gronk had been here since Week 1, Edelman would have more TDs than the 5 he has now.  Welkie has benefitted from a healthier cast around, but will Julius Thomas ever be the same?

    Will Welkie's stats matter in January? What do you think, Pissidispensers? LOL

    I am not paying 5 million more dollars for what I can get for 1 million. Simple math. 

    I;d also take two bodies (Edelman and Amendola) at 7 million than Welkie at 6 million, now and in the future. Not even close based off what we saw the other night. 2 boides are better than 1. Again, simple math.

    BB just dropped a blueprint on how to take away Welkie and now you'll see KC use it this weekend.

    Heck, I wouldn;t be shocked to see Denver struggle down in Houston because of that blueprint.

    KC's mistake which is what I said the day after the game was they played too much man an and never mixed in any zone.  Watch that change and watch Welkie show why he's not as effective in colder weather vs good Ds.

    All we hear about all the time is how everyone else besides BB is so great. Everyone else is the better GM, coach, defensive mind, etc. How is Dick LeBeau doing without his usual cast of quality veterans in their prime? Hmm?




    Quit babbling and deflecting, Welker is the better player, Period ! And I really like JE.

    Gronk has been back for weeks and JE has scored TD's in exactly one of them.  No TD's for 9 games.  None, zero, zilch.  No TD's in a loss, none, zero zilch.

    Welker is older and his time is limited but at this point he is out performing BOTH JE and Amendola.(combined)  So do you like paying 7mil to a receiver that has played in less than half the games and has 1 freaken TD?  Brilliant.

    Welker has more TD's this year than JE has in his whole 5 year injury riddled, career.

      Who gives a fk about LeBeau or any one else.  I care about this team and BB has made many GM errors that have hurt the team.  Many!

    The facts prove that, not your gay obsession with the GM

     
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    Re: Edelman = Welker

    Hey TFB12, Isn't it you who based my not playing in the NFL on me talking smack about Wessie Welker because "former players just don't do that to other players"? Two things:

    1. I am a former player using an alias, so in essence, you are right, the real ME isn't acknowledged for talking smack about other players. BUT

    2. You better tell Troy and Sapp and Deion and Rodney and Irvin and, ETC. That they aren't Hall of Famers and were never NFL ball players too because they are all saying the same things I am.

    TFB12 WAKE THE F UP MAN and stop lying all the damn time.........Luv ya!

    Wes Welker is just another pro ball player without a RING, and HE could have changed that by being great and making a very makeable play. Sunday shows he is who we thought he was. Go Pats!!! 

     
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    How did a discussion about whether or not Edelman is the equal of Welker go so off track?

    We have other WRs in the mix, Rusty comes in with his usual bash of TB.  How about keeping on point?  And Rusty, we ALL KNOW Brady has not been at his best in the playoffs recently, old news!!

     
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    Welker is a choke artist who disobeys his coach's direct orders not to engage in smack talk and drops the biggest catch of his life.  Edelman consistently comes through when he's needed most.  



    Thank you, TCal.




    umm, your welcome??  I guess you haven't been around long enough to realize mighty, especially back in my kmax days, would often rip into me.  Thing is, like most everyone on this board, I respect him and value his opinion.

     
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    umm, your welcome??  I guess you haven't been around long enough to realize mighty, especially back in my kmax days, would often rip into me.  Thing is, like most everyone on this board, I respect him and value his opinion.



    Yeah, tcal, that dude's okay in my book.

    Most people here are.

    Most.

    Cannot be made up.

     
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    Re: Edelman = Welker

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    Again, Wes Welker is so good a PATS player that he even was able to help them win while on the Bronco's roster!  In that respect, Wessie would be superior!



    LOL!

    That fact drives the TFB12, Mt Hurl, NAS types crazy. Anyone who hates BB as a Pats fan, which is very creepy, like they do,...they cannot stand what just happened. 

    The fact Arrington was so great on Welker is the capper. The fact I predicted it makes them inane.

    Tears!




    Russ, anyone who has been here long enough knows that you know the game and Patirots football. Two of the three you mention are only here to feel close to a game that they never have played as they were likely tuba players or something. Now they are tough guys behind a key board. You may not always be right, but I'll give you this; anything you say about football here is usually well contemplated and is obvious that you know the game. AND you seem to have taken some of the dikkish edge off of your posts too. I am trying to do the same by ignoring those who obsess over me and what I say. Good work man. Wes Welker did some good things here but they never added up to a Ring. He did some bad things here too that absolutely did keep them from getting a Ring. Why is this so hard?

     
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    Re: Edelman = Welker

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    To a point. Like NAS said TB makes both these guys prolific. He'll diagnose a D and set up his guys with a successful play. The biggest reason Edelman can be seen as a great WW replacer is the salary and we practically have two decent replacements for WW, DA and JE. Edelman does not equal WW cause of the fact that it's obvious JE instincts aren't as high in terms off reading D and running correct option routes and also doesn't get same release WW did. He is better in open w the ball though and can run the deep routes 1000 times better. 

    Edelman doesn't equal WW. It's a different type system this year aNd JE is thriving in it. He certainly is making his case frot equaling Ww but his production week to week doesn't make it possible thats all



    Disagree.  Again, you either value bloated fantasy stats or you can understand what I am pointing out here.

    Welkie was shutdown so well by BB on Sunday because he knows exactly how to handle Welkie.

    Edelman was not shutdown because Edelman can line up ANYWHERE on the field and can beat man coverage. Welker used to be able to beat most man coverages in his 20s, but not anymore.

    Edelman = Welker and it very well can be argued that his skill set, with it more dynamic in our offense, is SUPERIOR to Welker in terms of the results for OUR TEAM. TEAM.

    I went into these last few postseasons handwringing about our offense. Think about that. I had this  pit in my stomach knowing why we'd lose.

    Welker. A Welker-centric offense which took away from our run game and each loss that we lost using too much Welkie, the more it seemed Brady and he wanted to atone from that last loss.

    VERY painful to watch unfold. 

    I have absolutely zero feelings about that anymore. Zero. We run the ball even if it's not looking great, Edelman doesn't get 15 targets a game, we are better at clock management, Brady's INT rate isn't rising as the season goes, etc.

    The benefits are NUMEROUS.  What a relief.  It took a lot of balls with what BB did, but it could not be looking any more like 2004 right now. Edelman is like a more dynamic David Givens.

     


    Rusty, this doesn't make any since.  You blame Welker for TB throwing too much, and the Pats for not running enough.  Then you say the BB SHUT Welker down.  First off the Pats beat the Donkeys with Tom Brady throwing 50 times for 344 yards and 3 TDs.  Meanwhile Denver uses your Balanced Offense and Runs for 280 Yards and loses.  How did that happen???

    BB didn't shut down WW he shut down Seyton Manning by opening the gates and inviting them to run the ball.  He did the same thing to the Bills in the SB when he was with the Giants, he said let Thurman Thomas beat us if he can but not Jim Kelly.

    If we had lost that game you would heve blamed TB for throwing too much.  Get a clue!

     
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    How did a discussion about whether or not Edelman is the equal of Welker go so off track?

    We have other WRs in the mix, Rusty comes in with his usual bash of TB.  How about keeping on point?  And Rusty, we ALL KNOW Brady has not been at his best in the playoffs recently, old news!!



    Trolls looking to delfect or discredit me with childish antics (TFB12) or lies (Mt HUrl).

    You're smarter than that, Bill.  They hate when I am right, so they all swarm at once to try to gang up. We know the routine. In fact, the more they do it, the more obvious it is how right I was.

    lol

    I love it. They play right into it.  The other Edelman and Welker threads also went off course as they deflected and lashed out in anger.

    Note how Bustchise and his antics also try to align with our Brady Ball Washing Guild here and vice versa.

    Their agends is shared. They hate BB. Sort of creepy, considering TFB12 says he came to be a Pats fan the day BB walked from the pathetic Jets.

    Doesn't quite add up, does it?



    Yes, I AM!!  Just saying why such a clear discussion turns on it head so readily. 

    As I have said earlier, Edelman is coming into his own now that he does not have to "back-up" Welker.  Contrary to some comments, what I see is the Pats offense not being so reliant on one or two receivers the entire game.  Players on the snaps rotate a lot and the ball is being spread around quite well.  Also, given Amendola's propensity to get injured, rotating him in and out is good, too.  Keeps all the receivers healthier.

     
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